In the early 1970s, David Antin became known for talking.
A well-regarded poet, Antin began appearing at poetry
readings with a tape recorder but without anything to
read, speaking off the top of his head. Antin effectively
ceased writing poetry; instead, he transcribed his
recordings and created work from the transcripts. While
Antin’s turn to talking has been much discussed in the
context of poetry, it has been considered less in the
context of art criticism—and, significantly, he was also
an established art critic. By framing Antin’s work of the
1970s as a kind of oral criticism, or talking criticism,
tied to the uniqueness of the voice, this essay charts his
move from a high-modernist style of criticism toward a
postmodernist one focused on embodiment, context, and
social relations.
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Alex Kitnick, “Talking Criticism with David Antin, or
Criticism at the Boundaries,”
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Criticism at the Boundaries.”
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What have we been doing? What are we addressing ourselves
to, in what way, who do we hope to talk to, and in
view of what urgencies?
—David Antin, letter to Leo Steinberg regarding “The Goals
of Criticism”
In the 1960s, David Antin’s work moved along two parallel
tracks. Deeply involved with the New American Poetry, he wrote
poems “with prefabricated and readymade materials, recycling
texts and fragments of texts, enclosing valuable and used up
talk and thought and feeling, hoping to save what was worth
saving, liberate it and throw the rest away.”1
Between 1965 and 1968, he also edited, alongside poet and
translator Jerome Rothenberg, four issues of the poetry
journal some/thing, which featured work by writers
such as Jackson Mac Low and Margaret Randall, its covers
graced with work by artists Amy Mendelson, Robert Morris, Andy
Warhol, and George Maciunas. These covers point to Antin’s
other activity at the time—the writing of art criticism. Antin
was one of the first critics to seriously consider Morris and
Warhol, and he wrote about other important contemporary
artists, including Alex Katz and Jean Tinguely, for
publications such as Art News and
Art and Literature. In the November 1966 issue of
Artforum he reviewed the exhibition
Eccentric Abstraction, organized by Lucy Lippard. On
occasion he authored wide-ranging essays on other topics, for
example, the influence of corporate money on contemporary art.
An early biographical sketch describes his activities this
way: “Poet, linguist, critic David Antin is an enthusiastic
spectator of new painting and sculpture which he relates to
modern ideas in science, philosophy and literature.”2
In summer 1965, Antin wrote the column Art Chronicle in
Kulchur magazine, reviewing the critical reception of
Marcel Duchamp; in the winter issue of 1965–66 he examined
recent art criticism by Thomas Hess, Max Kozloff, Harold
Rosenberg, and Irving Sandler, chiding them for what he
considered their noxious mix of humanism and sentimentalism.
“I began by attacking the bases of art criticism for
Kulchur magazine,” Antin put it in a capsule
biography of 1970, “then wrote several art articles to show it
should/could be done in a reasonably intelligent manner.”3
The criticism Antin went on to write was extremely good—more
than “reasonably intelligent,” and certainly much more
philosophical than what was typically found in art magazines.
While it was not of a radically different character than other
criticism written at the time, Antin’s work did break with
certain conventions.4
There was a tradition of New York poets writing criticism
about New York artists—John Ashbery, Frank O’Hara, and James
Schuyler are the three best-known examples—but Antin’s texts,
lengthy and arch in tone, are far less belletristic than those
of his predecessors.5
And yet Antin’s move was still to come. In the early 1970s his
work underwent a fundamental shift, changing the way he made
both his poetry and his criticism. The boundary between the
two began to blur; Antin called this new form
talking.
Dispensing with desk and typewriter, Antin’s talking took
shape live, without anything written down. Presenting at art
schools, museums, and poetry projects, Antin would arrive with
some ideas in his head, possibly even with some notes in his
hand, and he usually had a title to serve as a guidepost. He
delivered his work extemporaneously; it was not read or
delivered but thought and improvised. Often the performances
would go on for an hour, sometimes longer. The talking was
recorded and subsequently transcribed and edited. The result
was not quite poetry or criticism—or, as literary scholar
Sherman Paul put it, “The talk poems become his art and his
criticism.”6
Over the years, Antin published four books of work made
according to this method—beginning with Talking in
1972—which all consider the differences between listening and
reading, and writing and speaking, and in which Antin imagines
different scales of community. The list of subjects Antin
discusses in these high-wire acts includes personal
relationships, gossip, real estate, architecture, philosophy,
and photography, but he ruminates again and again on art and
criticism. As publisher Lita Hornick imparts, these “works are
always classified as poetry, because the Library of Congress
has no classification for talking.”7
That said, many poets didn’t consider Antin’s work poetry. It
is a truly free verse: There is no meter or rhyme, and its
improvisatory nature chafes against tradition. Antin’s project
purposefully poses a problem of categorization and genre, but
here I want to think about what it might mean to consider
Antin’s talking as a lost episode in the history of criticism.
Call it talking criticism, improvisational criticism,
wandering criticism, or criticism at the boundaries.
orality / audience / community
Radio and gramophone and tape recorder gave us back the
poet’s voice as an important dimension of the poetic
experience. . . . But TV, with its deep-participation mode,
caused young poets suddenly to present their poems in cafés,
in public parks, anywhere. After TV, they suddenly felt the
need for personal contact with their public.
—Marshall McLuhan,
Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man
I would like to begin with two questions: Why did Antin’s work
take the form of talking in the early 1970s? And how did his
talking alter the conventions of criticism regarding position
and voice? Certainly, Antin belonged to a larger groundswell
in poetic thinking. “For poets of the 1950s and 1960s, a new
oral impulse served as a corrective to the rhetorically
controlled, print-based poetry of high modernism,” scholar
Michael Davidson writes.8
Influences outside poetics exerted their energies too. Media
theorist Marshall McLuhan claimed that a new orality was
taking shape in culture at large. If Gutenberg’s press,
invented in the fifteenth century, had pushed Western culture
into a linear, literate, and visual order, McLuhan believed
that new technologies were launching it into acoustic space:
“In the electronic age which succeeds the typographic and
mechanical era of the past five hundred years, we encounter
new shapes and structures of human interdependence and of
expression which are ‘oral’ in form even when the components
of the situation may be nonverbal,” McLuhan notes in his 1962
treatise
The Gutenberg Galaxy: The Making of Typographic Man.9
McLuhan’s ideas animated Antin’s circle, with some members
dedicating themselves to a field they called
ethnopoetics, connecting prehistorical, archaic, and
“primitive” oral traditions with the newest iterations of
poetry. “The rediscovery of formulaic oral traditions by
Milman Parry, Albert Lord, and Eric Havelock,” Davidson
writes, “provided a link between avant-garde literary
practices and earlier tribal cultures.”10
The new work looked backward and forward at the same time. The
publication in 1968 of Rothenberg’s anthology
Technicians of the Sacred: A Range of Poetries from Africa,
America, Asia and Oceania, edited with Antin’s help, describes a “‘post-literate’
situation, in McLuhan’s good phrase, or
where-we-are-today.”11
If Antin’s talking exists in a constellation with spoken
poetry, stand-up comedy, and avant-garde performance, it
intersects with tendencies in criticism too. Although a number
of contemporary critics adopted a talky, vernacular style in
their writing—consider Jill Johnston’s coverage of 1960s
dance-happenings in the Village Voice, defined by
antic first-person narration—Antin made talkiness literal.12
He made his criticism live and in person; he delivered it
without a net, bringing it face to face with a social world
that provided criticism with its very conditions of
possibility. Antin’s move toward talking speaks to a changing
conception of the audience at this moment, with criticism
being the form of writing most closely associated with the
public sphere. By the mid-1960s, the public sphere was in
crisis: individuals were overwhelmed by new technologies that
threatened to turn the public into a mass and by an increasing
pluralism of concerns, particularly the equality demanded by
the civil rights and women’s movements, which made it clear
that the public’s coherence had been made possible only by
many exclusions.13
Performing live was one way to guarantee an audience for
criticism, making it palpable and concrete while at the same
time diminishing its universalizing pretensions. The public,
in other words, was no longer an abstract entity, nor was the
critic. Antin stood there as himself.14
The audio recordings of his talks, though rarely distributed,
contain crucial information in this regard.15
We hear Antin’s voice, avuncular and laced with a singsongy
New York accent as well as laughter. “There is a good deal of
borscht-belt humor in Antin’s work,” Davidson writes. “He
relies extensively on timing—the incremental building of a
metaphor, the deferral of the punch line—and combines it with
the subtle creation of himself as a schlemiel in the world of
slick impresarios.”16
Antin did this in part by opening up criticism to intimacy and
renouncing critical distance. Conventionally, critics are
supposed to stand outside and peer in, but Antin generated his
work within crowds. “All I needed to know was who I was going
to be talking to,” Antin told editor Barry Alpert in 1973.
“Because, for my purposes, what I wanted in talking was this
sense of address.”17
transcription
The fact that Antin transcribed, edited, and published his
talking suggests that he didn’t see live performance as the
end point of his work. While the live audience served as an
engine, Antin’s talking found another meaning when it was
codified and typeset, and entered into a separate context.18
It was almost as if he were trying to extend the intimacy of
the oral community into the matrix of print. (Had he published
his work as recordings, as opposed to texts, he might have
made some kind of claim to authenticity.) The site of
publication mattered, too, especially in the case of Antin’s
first talk piece, “talking at pomona,” which, staged at Pomona
College, near Los Angeles, “in early 1971—around April, I
think,” was not published in a poetry journal or little
magazine—though this would be the most common home for his
work—but in Artforum, the art world’s magazine of
record and a proper space of criticism.19
The story is that after delivering his talk to art students at
the small liberal arts college, Antin and his wife, the artist
Eleanor Antin, drove back to their house in Solana Beach near
San Diego and listened to the recording on the way. They put
it on the car stereo—it begins, “testing testing testing
testing”—and Eleanor said, “that’s a poem.”20
She recognized the recording not as a talk delivered by a
critic and curator but as a form of poetry, and Antin, a poet
who was always making “an effort to get away from the
sealed-in package that poetry is often treated as,” decided to
use this understanding as a way to expand poetry beyond its
established conventions.21
Eleanor’s insight, of course, didn’t come out of the blue. A
table had already been set in which such an idea could
surface. Ethnopoetics privileged oral traditions, and certain
strands of contemporary art turned toward voice too. In 1964,
Morris lip-synched a lecture by art historian Erwin Panofsky
in his performance 21.3; later, in 1968, Warhol
published a: a novel, cobbled together from
twenty-four hours of methamphetamine-addled discussions that
actor and Warhol-studio regular Ondine [Robert Olivo] recorded
at Warhol’s Factory with a motley crew of interlocutors.22
Talking was also gathering around the borders of the work of
art. The artist talk and artist interview assumed a new
relevance at this moment, with the conceptual-art tabloid
Avalanche, published between 1970 and 1976, featuring
an artist-cum-celebrity on each of its covers and a long
interview inside.23
It is clear that Antin saw himself as part of this tendency,
and it is significant that, despite Eleanor classifying his
talk as poetry and Antin designating his work as “talk poems,”
“talking at pomona” first appeared in Artforum’s
tenth anniversary issue in 1972 alongside essays by curator
Lawrence Alloway (“Network: The Art World Described as a
System”), critic Kozloff (“The Trouble with Art-as-Idea”), and
scholar Rosalind Krauss (“A View of Modernism”), all of which
offer “a synoptic overview of the art ambiance during the past
decade.”24
Antin was expanding the parameters of not only poetry but also
criticism (fig. 1).
ExpandFig. 1. —Cover of Artforum 11, no. 1 (September
1972).
Significantly Antin’s title doesn’t mention what he was
talking about—there is a trace of John Cage’s “Lecture on
Nothing” from 1959 in the refusal to establish a topic. That
Antin was talking—and where—were the important elements.
Within the art world, Pomona College was known at the time for
its commitment to advanced conceptual practices.25
According to a telegram dated 2 June 1972, Antin, who at the
time was a professor of visual arts at the University of
California, San Diego, had been commissioned by
Artforum editor John Coplans to write an article “on
art education in America today, open ended, as long as [you]
wish (anything say from 3500 to 10,000 words), fee $300, but
one which examines in general (or as specifically as you wish)
among other things the art history versus studio problems and
the generation gap and the attempts of a so called
rationalized culture to formalize art education and the
problems inherent to such a situation”26
(fig. 2). Coplans invited a more or
less traditional essay about art education and its role in a
changing society. While Antin’s contribution must have
surprised Coplans—not only in that it took art education as
its context rather than subject but also in its unusual form
and singular voice—the work was not merely iconoclastic.27
Antin’s piece may have differed in substantive ways from those
of his colleagues in terms of tone and style, but it shared a
preoccupation with questions of voice and critical distance.
All of these figures belonged to a larger tendency in
criticism that challenged the autonomy of art by privileging
sociological terms. The emergence of a unique voice, in
distinction to the opticality of the eye and its claims to
objective truth, spoke to the break with modernism then under
way in art and criticism. Indeed, this was the crux of
Krauss’s argument in “A View of Modernism,” which ends with
the lines: “It matters who one sounds like when what one is
writing about is art. One’s own perspective, like one’s own
age, is the only orientation one will ever have.”28
Foregrounding voice opened up the possibility of contingency,
if not relativism, in criticism. While his talking was
ultimately monologic in form, Antin did broach the possibility
of interruption, dialogue, and conversation.29
He also nodded at openness by occasionally getting things
wrong. At the end of the text “talking at pomona” in
Artforum, Antin provides footnotes (he calls them
afterthoughts) in order to correct the slips he made
in the live talk, but he refused to intervene in the body of
the text, insisting on the primacy of live thought.
Antin’s talking changed “the appearance of the Gutenberg
printed page.”30
His text has no punctuation marks or “traffic signals.”31
In order to reestablish criticism’s connection to voice, Antin
had to delete the graphemes of typical written language. That
is to say, he bucked five hundred years of printed history and
parted ways with both standard poetry and prose. “If written
language is singled out as the culprit, what will be sought is
not so much the reduction as the metamorphosis of language
into something looser, more intuitive, less organized and
inflected, nonlinear (in McLuhan’s terminology)
and—noticeably—more verbose,” Susan Sontag wrote around this
time.32
So instead of sentences and paragraphs, clusters of words
slide across the page, breaking in accordance with Antin’s
breath. Margins are unjustified, an innovation allowed in part
by the move from cold-type methods of printing toward electric
typewriters.33
All the text is lowercase, Cagean and antihierarchical, and
this lowering is very much to the point: Antin’s work maps out
a nonstandard, horizontal space, and he claims that it is
there—in the scrum of sociability—that art’s meaning gets
made.34
The artworks reproduced in the Artforum article are
mentioned only in passing. Antin didn’t incorporate pictures
in other talk pieces, and I would assume they appeared in the
article at the editor’s behest. The new art was built on
elaborate conceptual structures rather than visual
appearances, so it was better to describe them, to talk them
out; pictures would not necessarily divulge their meanings.
The import of artist Douglas Huebler’s
Duration Piece #15 (1969), for example, which Antin
lauds because it “operates a system” in “real space,”35
rested on an elaborate pricing structure based on the capture
of a wanted criminal; the artwork’s collector would pay the
captor’s reward. One best grasps the stakes of Huebler’s
project through mapping out its components rather than viewing
the piecemeal documents that constitute its nominal form
(fig. 3). Huebler is the hero of Antin’s text, not least due to the
way questions of capture—and morality—operate in his work.
(What Antin calls the “violence” of Huebler’s work is what
distinguishes Huebler from the other conceptual artists Antin
discusses, such as Dennis Oppenheim, who harvested and sold
wheat.) Five years earlier, Warhol had painted a mural for the
New York World’s Fair of 1964 depicting mug shots of thirteen
most-wanted men, and while the murals offered Huebler a
precedent, Huebler’s work is distinct in the way that it
engages a social system as not simply a picture or
representation but a demand made on the world. The result,
Antin claims, doesn’t simply modify art history but “raises
the question about the meaning of art.”36
The artwork, no longer self-contained and autonomous but
despotic and diffuse, required a new type of similarly
open-ended criticism. Antin understood that art’s shift toward
information altered established roles and ways of working, and
his work responded by reconsidering criticism’s form. As the
artwork moved into real space, it ensnared the critic. The two
entered a new kind of relationship, and a novel mode of
engagement took shape.
Different kinds of people fit under the mantle “painting
relators.” Artists, critics, and gallerists all relate
paintings; they all work toward a similar end (relating
paintings), and thus have a similar effect (the relation of
paintings). Antin does not mention curators, who were perhaps
only beginning to accrue the clout and profile they now enjoy.
Antin, of course, is a painting relator as well.38
By coining the term, Antin gathered species under a genus and
located a lingua franca that they all share: talking. And it
is the talking—this relationality, sociability, network
vernacular, or “live discourse”—that, however conditional it
may be, gives art its meaning.39
But to make art truly meaningful, Antin contends, one must not
simply link painting to painting but open art up to life,
which is what Huebler sought to accomplish in his work. Such a
claim offered a direct challenge to Clement Greenberg’s
modernist doxa, which prized medium specificity and opticality
above all else. Art’s meaning, for Antin, was made less of
materials than it was the surrounding social world.40
A photograph from 1973 by Fred Lonidier offers an example of
Antin’s relating in action (fig. 4).
Outfitted in a black turtleneck and sports coat, Antin stands
talking on the phone in his office in front of Roy
Lichtenstein’s screenprint Sweet Dreams, Baby! from
1966. The male comic-book character’s head collapses in the
work’s bottom right-hand corner while a clenched fist swings
upward toward the top. Meanwhile, Antin’s left arm,
outstretched, gives the impression that the print is in motion
while the tail of the speech balloon containing the titular
caption is pointed at Antin’s mouth, hinging together
representation and the real. Antin is not only connected to
the print but extends it, wiring and relating it to the world
through the technology of the phone.
ExpandFig. 4. —Fred Lonidier (American, b. 1942).
Photograph of David Antin, 1973. Courtesy the
artist.
Antin’s relating also took more immediate forms. A photograph
from Antin’s talk “Figures of Thought or Figures of Thinking”
at San Francisco’s 80 Langton Street in 1978 conveys the
intimacy of Antin’s talking, as he stands close to his
audience, a term whose etymology, with its roots in auditory
processes, seems particularly important here (figs. 5a, 5b). Much in the manner of the
happenings of the 1960s, the hard line between spectators and
performer breaks down, with the two sides of the equation
joining together in a group. People sit on the floor and smoke
amid scattered beer cans; posters and fliers are pinned to the
wall. One might say the audience is on view, or that Antin,
who is seen from behind in the photograph, belongs to the
audience, and the bodies around him catalyze his performance.
Here is a private-public sphere—what used to be called an
alternative space—and everything and everyone in attendance
helps give it shape.41
It is interesting to compare the emphasis on liveness with the
stillness of the cover of the tenth anniversary issue of
Artforum, which features a photograph of the
magazine’s barren office, chairs empty and desks piled with
books and phones (see fig. 1). Each
image offers its own model of textual production, and while
both are technologized—tape recording is crucial to Antin’s
work—the latter lacks the embodiment of Antin’s pedagogical
performances. Critic Lytle Shaw has used the term
narrowcast (as opposed to broadcast) to
describe a tendency in New American Poetry that emphasized
“intimate, corporeal space,” or “microspace,” so as to
position itself against the universalizing “anywhere”
tendencies of mainstream media.42
Antin may have created a kind of narrowcast criticism.
ExpandFig. 5A. —Postcard, front, of David Antin delivering the talk
“Figures of Thought or Figures of Thinking,” 80
Langton Street, San Francisco, California, 13 May
1978.ExpandFig 5B. —Postcard, back, of David Antin delivering the talk
“Figures of Thought or Figures of Thinking,” 80
Langton Street, San Francisco, California, 13 May
1978.Figs. 5a, 5b. — Postcard, front and back, of David Antin delivering
the talk “Figures of Thought or Figures of Thinking,”
80 Langton Street, San Francisco, California, 13 May
1978.
critic
Others were arriving at similar conclusions about the
possibilities for criticism during this time. In 1966, artist
Les Levine made a video called Critic, which recorded
thirteen members of New York’s critical establishment speaking
about their work for two minutes apiece (fig. 6). “My point was that criticism and art are different
things,” Levine said in an interview. “Reading criticism is a
completely different experience from dealing with art.”43
One can, however, also draw the opposite conclusion from
Levine’s work: by making the talking of critics the content of
his art, Levine suggested that art comprises language. The
critics share a range of ideas in the video, but Kozloff makes
a particularly important point about what one might call,
after Rosenberg, the de-definition of roles in the art world,
which also speaks to Antin’s notion of painting relators. “I’m
very much impressed by a curious situation that one sees more
and more in the art world these days, the art world in New
York,” Kozloff says.
ExpandFig. 6. —Les Levine (Irish, b. 1935). Photographs
shot from the video version of Critic, 1966.
Courtesy the artist.
You might summarize it by saying that it’s a shifting of
roles in which traditional categories of activity or
professional behavior of people whose identity seemed secure
enough in the past no longer really obtains. . . . In a
sense I suppose this does belong to what’s coming to be
called the McLuhan age, in which the fantastic media mix of
what were previously separate arts goes on at an
ever-increasing and uncanny rate of speed, an acceleration
puzzling to view.44
Impressed is a funny word for Kozloff to use, for he
seems concerned by the so-called McLuhan age, which is
characterized by not only a return to acoustics and orality
but also a post-medium situation that parallels the breakdown
of strictly defined roles. Needless to say, this new art-world
formation challenged the possibility of critical distance, and
Antin consciously acknowledged this by working within the
maelstrom. In a vignette included in his second book,
talking at the boundaries (fig. 7), Antin tells a story about a conversation he had with
Kozloff and the fact that Kozloff saw Antin’s position as part
of the problem:
on my way down madison avenue i ran into max
kozloff who i hadn’t seen for over a year and since it was
about one oclock we went into one of those steak-n-brew
places to sit and talk over lunchmaxwho is one
of the most serious art critics i knowwas concerned
about the way my new work was goinghe was afraid
that by putting my critical concerns in an art context and
“becoming an artist” i was going to lose any chance i had
to have a serious effect on peoples mindshe was
more familiar with my art critical writing than with my
poetry
and hed recently published one of the talk-pieces in
art
forum so he may have had a better chance to collect
feed-
backbut what bothered him
most was that the usual
effect of estheticizing a discourse was to neutralize it
ExpandFig. 7. —Cover of David Antin,
talking at the boundaries (New York: New
Directions, 1976).
Antin is a real-life example of shifting roles in the art
world, and by “becoming an artist,” Antin—for Kozloff at
least—necessarily forfeited critical distance.46
For Kozloff, when critics stepped outside their roles, or
blurred them, criticism lost its bite. Critical points, made
in the wrong way, risked losing “serious effect.”
Despite his differences with Kozloff, Antin found common cause
with other critics. In fact, Antin’s text “talking at pomona”
shares much with Alloway’s essay in the anniversary issue of
Artforum. In “Network: The Art World Described as a
System,” Alloway makes claims virtually identical to what
Kozloff described some six years before about the shifting of
roles and what Antin chronicles about painting relators, but
Alloway values them differently:
Art historians prepare catalogues raisonnés of living
artists, so that organization of data is more or less level
with their occurrence. Critics serve as guest curators and
curators write art criticism. The retrospectives of de
Kooning and Newman at the Museum of Modern Art were both
arranged by the editor of Art News, Thomas B. Hess.
(A crossover in the opposite direction was made by John
Coplans, former curator of Pasadena Art Museum and now
editor of the magazine.) William Rubin, a curator at the
same museum wrote a monograph on Frank Stella; he is also a
collector and lent a Newman to the retrospective. In ten
years I have been a curator, a teacher and an art critic,
usually two at a time. The roles within the system,
therefore, do not restrict mobility; the participants can
move functionally within a cooperative system. Collectors
back galleries and influence museums by acting as trustees
or by making donations; or a collector may act as a shop
window for a gallery by accepting a package collection from
one dealer or one adviser. All of us are looped together in
a new and unsettling connectivity.47
In other words, everyone is now a painting relator, and while
Alloway finds this unsettling, true to his pop art roots, he
believes that one must work within the situation, which he
rather generously describes as a “cooperative system.”
Although Alloway and Antin agree on this point—Antin also sees
the art world as a network, though he favored terms such as
arena,art world, and
live discourse—the difference between their views is
important, and it falls largely along formal lines. To put it
bluntly, Antin invents a critical form, talking, which both
delineates and extends the shape of the art world, whereas
Alloway leaves historical models of criticism in place.
Talking, for Antin, is the default medium of art’s network.
Chatting, dealing, gossiping, and rumoring are some the most
common ways of disseminating information, and, given the fact
that information was now art’s primary material, talking had a
new claim on criticism too.
talking place
The thing about talking is that it can happen anywhere; it
only requires one or more individuals to do it. On the one
hand, talking’s mobility and openness enable discourses to
expand beyond institutional structures; on the other, the
mercurial nature of talking can lead disciplines to lose their
shape (which is Kozloff’s fear). Either way, Antin realized
that as the audience for criticism changed from the public to
something like community, criticism had to change in step with
it. As his anecdote on painting relators suggests, critics,
artists, and hustlers/dealers not only get closer in this new
formation but also become more alike. The epigraph in
Talking captures a real curiosity about what might
come next: “If someone came up started talking / a poem at you
how would you know it / was a poem?”48
This is a genuine question—how and when does something become
legible to a discipline? Talking out of bounds might lead to a
loss of recognition, and yet, language binds people and fields
together. Language ties art to a world, Antin implies—and this
was a particularly significant claim to make at a moment when
art’s visual coherency was giving way to a pluralism of media,
styles, and ideas. Talking would be the new glue holding the
field of art together, not only because it opened up the
possibility of dialogue and conversation but because it
privileged presence over the page.49
While Antin extended the avant-garde project of tying art ever
more closely to life—“it is possible to construct make our art
out of something more meaningful than the arbitrary rules of
knot making out of the character of human experience in our
world,” he says at the end of “talking at pomona”—he spoke and
published in almost exclusively institutional spaces, while
adamantly addressing his work to colleagues and friends. For
Antin, the institution was intimate. “Nobody knows who the
public is or what it wants or needs. Or whether it should be
considered singular or plural,” Antin notes in a late
essay.50
When Antin attended to the institutional identities of the
contexts in which he worked, he carved out a kind of embodied
space that refused both the inward turn of privacy and the
abstraction of the public. If Antin worked at the boundaries
of art, he delimited them at the same time, and it is
significant that almost all his talks resulted from
invitations.51
He rarely talked on his own accord. In Antin’s vision, art,
artist, and institution are inextricable from one another,
bound together by language.
While talking offered a fitting form for criticism as the art
world took on a new shape in the 1970s, as interdisciplinarity
swelled, medium specificity fell away, and art lost its
relation to the public, one cannot help but note that few
followed Antin’s example. For all the claims I have made for
his horizontality—the way that his talking both comes from the
self and centers a social world, and shows the self to be
social in turn—and for all the claims I have made for what
must be called Antin’s postmodernism—the way that his
criticism is both sited and site-specific—there is something
deeply modernist about his endeavor.52
For, ultimately, what else did he do but make criticism new?
And as is the case with all modernist newness, Antin got there
by tapping into something ancient and outside. Antin revealed
a possibility for criticism by rescaling it, living it, and
thinking it out loud, but he also made it impossible for
others to use his invention as a model. Talking belongs to
Antin, and others who follow his lead would only be
derivative. And so, while Antin’s talking glimmered with
possibility, while it shook free all the ossifications that
had barnacled themselves on criticism, it throws back the
question of what criticism might look like today. To say that
others didn’t follow in his footsteps is not to lament the
fact but simply to wonder how else one might make criticism
anew. “Fools lament the decay of criticism,” Walter Benjamin
wrote in his meditation “One-Way Street,” and Antin was no
fool—there’s no wistfulness in his project, only a genuine
desire to find a form that fit his moment.53
Antin wanted to do something consequential; he was not averse
to judgment. “In mathematics it is well known that anybody can
devise and prove a proposition, but the problem is to devise
propositions that have profound consequences that reverberate
throughout the entire system,” Antin wrote in his second
installment for Kulchur’s Art Chronicle, which
pointed out the foibles of contemporary critics, and in a way
this foretold his entire critical project: to propose a new
model for a new system.54
postscript?
I hope I’ve made it clear that I’m not advocating for a return
to talking some fifty years later. Antin’s criticism grew out
of a recognition of the structural conditions of his moment:
Criticism’s audience was changing; it demanded something
different, and Antin’s intervention, however short-lived,
provided a generative response to this moment of crisis and
transition. By the late 1980s, Antin had become somewhat
bitter—he refused to publish in the big art magazines so as
not to pad artist CVs—but in the early 1970s, his talking had
fulfilled some need, and it made certain behaviors,
structures, and tendencies transparent, thus lending
criticism, for a brief moment, some newfound relevance.55
But, of course, not all forms are relevant for all times. We
may look back at the intimacy and community of Antin’s moment
with some nostalgia, aware that that such qualities are no
longer available in our ever more global, digitalized world,
and demand some other form or language to bind our networks
together.
Artist and writer Gregg Bordowitz has studied Antin closely,
and his series of lecture-performances
Testing Some Beliefs, staged in 2011 and 2012, apply
something of Antin’s method to new ends (fig. 8).56
Where Antin is often virtuosic—he always lands the plane, so
to speak—Bordowitz toys with the possibility of the crash.
Indeed, in the worst know-it-all moments of Antin’s
performances, he veers into the domineering territory of
patronizing his audience, whereas Bordowitz gets overheated
and forgets things. In the Testing performances,
Bordowitz offers impromptu monologues about various beliefs
that he holds, and the audience is key to his testing of
ideas. In spaces filled with friends and colleagues, Bordowitz
bounces his beliefs off those in front of him, exposing them
to skepticism and doubt. The act furnishes the value of the
live audience: talking in public is different from writing in
private. Testing is immediate, visceral, personal,
and sensible. Facial expressions and nods from members of the
audience might encourage the speaker to proceed or else to
pursue different lines of thought. Testing is also a type of
criticism, or at least it suggests something about the
critical impulse. The work of criticism is not simply to judge
artworks but also to use artworks to test one’s own
suppositions, values, and beliefs.
ExpandFig. 8. —Gregg Bordowitz delivering improvised talk piece at
Bridget Donahue Gallery, New York, 2019.
Photo by Oto Gillen. Courtesy the artist.
The relevance of Antin’s work today might have something to do
with its relationship to testing. So much contemporary
criticism, even mundane, transpires outside traditional
domains such as the journal and the newspaper, surfacing
instead as critical energies applied to personal blogs,
Substack content, social media, and even Yelp reviews. Posted
and reposted conversations slink around and occasionally gel,
or gather and lose steam—but it is often every critic for
themself, and the reader’s task is to follow the scent. In a
sense, there has never been so much criticism, and yet one
might also say that there is hardly any criticism at all, with
very little audience today, in terms of a stable, coherent
entity, and perhaps even less of a sense of address. That
said, criticism is found in unlikely places. Tagging might be
our talking. Hashtags scatter code words for searchers. The
asperand is all. The historian in me accepts this while my
inner, old-fashioned critic, tied to midcentury mores,
bridles. Antin’s lesson, I think, is not purely to find a form
appropriate to one’s moment—although that is key—but also to
see that criticism can’t go it alone; it can’t happen just
anywhere. Criticism needs structures to sustain it. It needs
places and worlds, whether that be the museum, the poetry
project, the magazine, or the conference. Put differently, it
matters both where and to whom one is talking. Many understand
this: a tagline for Documenta 15 in 2022 was “hanging out,
telling stories,” an Antinian turn of phrase to be sure. Of
course, this presents a conundrum for a digital world, but the
attempts to organize and situate ourselves in relation to it,
and to braid together the digital and the physical spheres,
must be part of any critical project today. The MFA program,
the masthead, and the museum—with all the problems of
gatekeeping they might possess—should play an active part in
sustaining critical dialogue.
The public might have had its day—born in coffeehouses and
riddled with exclusions, it was always a fiction. It’s hard
for me to say this, because its broad sweep and dream of
coherence still has a powerful appeal. The clique, coterie,
and community, with their varying degrees of boundedness, have
their problems. There’s the cohort, but that sounds too
statistical. I’m not sure how I feel about the mass or
swarm—too irrational, electric. I am trying to find another
word that might break and rearrange the ranks of identity and
class, a word or phrase that might help construct an audience.
I keep drifting toward interested parties. It has a
glimmer of festivity and a touch of political organization.
Perhaps it is a way of building up to something like a public,
little by little, rather than taking its existence for granted
as something already there and in place.
Alex Kitnick is assistant professor of art
history and visual culture at Bard College in
Annandale-on-Hudson, New York.
Notes
I talked to many wonderful people while working on this essay,
including Charles Bernstein, Ann Lauterbach, and Robert
Slifkin.
Epigraph: letter dated 27 May 1976, sent from David Antin to
Leo Steinberg for a panel held on “The Goals of Criticism” at
the College Art Association annual conference in Los Angeles
in February 1977. David Antin papers, 1956–2006, Los Angeles,
Getty Research Institute (GRI), 2008.M.56, box 27, folder 10.
Emphasis mine.
David Antin, “A Few Words,”
Selected Poems: 1963–1973 (Los Angeles: Sun
& Moon, 1991), 13–14. Antin’s early books include
Definitions ([New York]: Caterpillar, 1967);
Code of Flag Behavior (Los Angeles: Black
Sparrow, 1968); and Meditations (Los Angeles:
Black Sparrow, 1971).
↩︎
David Antin, “Grey Paint: Robert Morris,”
Art News, April 1966, 22.
↩︎
New American PoetryCircuit (San
Francisco: New American Poetry Circuit, 1970), n.p.
Antin described his entrance into art criticism on a few
occasions. Another time he wrote, “[Nicolas Calas]
suggested I do a piece of criticism in which I criticize
the critics. And I did. Two of them for
Kulchur, the magazine edited by Lita Hornick.
And Lita said go out and do it, so I simply examined the
assumptions of a number of well known critics from a
more or less logical or commonsense point of view and
watched them crumble. Later I went on to try to propose
a ‘sensible’ or ‘straightforward’ way of talking about
art in a couple of articles for Art News, which
I merely offered as examples. That was the beginning.”
Barry Alpert, “David Antin—An Interview,”
VORT 3, no. 1 (1975): 25. Note that Antin
refers to his work in these early articles as talking.
↩︎
For a full tally of Antin’s art criticism, see Stephen
Cope, “A David Antin Checklist,”
Review of Contemporary Fiction 21, no. 1
(Spring 2001): 182–85.
↩︎
Antin took over Kulchur’s column Art Chronicle
from poet Frank O’Hara shortly before O’Hara’s death in
July 1966.
↩︎
Sherman Paul, ed.,
In Search of the Primitive: Rereading David Antin,
Jerome Rothenberg and Gary Snyder
(Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1986),
4. ↩︎
Lita Hornick,
David Antin / Debunker of the “Real” (New York:
Swollen Magpie, 1979), 14. Hornick is paraphrasing Antin
in David Antin, “what am i doing here?,” in
talking at the boundaries (New York: New
Directions, 1976), 4.
↩︎
Michael Davidson, “Technologies of Presence: Orality and
the Tapevoice of Contemporary Poetics,” chap. 7 in
Ghostlier Demarcations: Modern Poetry and the
Material World
(Berkeley: University of California Press, 1997), 196.
↩︎
Marshall McLuhan,
The Gutenberg Galaxy: The Making of Typographic
Man
(Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1962), 3. The
epigraph to this section is from Marshall McLuhan,
Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man (New
York: McGraw Hill, 1964), 53.
↩︎
Davidson, “Technologies of Presence,” 199. In a letter
dated 25 September 1973 to boundary 2 editor
Robert Kroetsch, fellow editor William Spanos makes a
similar point. Antin’s work, he writes, “reverberates
with echoes of the past (the oral poetry of Homer,
Plato’s Dialogues, and the peripatetic
poet-philosophers, the whole Parry and Lord
Singer of Tales context) and is at the same
time utterly situated in the present: McLuhan,
the French parole vs. ecriture debate,
Heideggerian phenomenology, and, of course, the whole
thrust of American poetry towards oral ‘composition.’”
David Antin, William V. Spanos, and Robert Kroetsch, “A
Correspondence with the Editors,”
boundary 2: a journal of postmodern literature
3, no. 3 (Spring 1975): 602. Emphases in original.
↩︎
Jerome Rothenberg, ed.,
Technicians of the Sacred: A Range of Poetries from
Africa, America, Asia, and Oceania
(New York: Doubleday, 1968), xxiii. Rothenberg notes
that “the present collection grew directly out of a pair
of 1964 readings of ‘primitive and archaic poetry’ at
The Poet’s Hardware Theater & The Café Metro in New
York. Working with me on those were the poets David
Antin, Jackson Mac Low, & Rochelle Owens.”
Rothenberg, preface to
Technicians of the Sacred, xxv.
↩︎
See Jill Johnston, Marmalade Me (New York: E.
P. Dutton, 1971), which collects much of the work
Johnston published in the Village Voice. One
might also consider the talking-head criticism John
Berger offered in his BBC broadcast
Ways of Seeing in 1972.
↩︎
See Nancy Fraser, “Rethinking the Public Sphere: A
Contribution to the Critique of Actually Existing
Democracy,” Social Text, nos. 25/26 (1990):
56–80.
↩︎
Describing Antin’s talk piece “talking at pomona” in his
essay of 1974, artist Allan Kaprow notes, “David Antin
was asked to give a lecture on art. He talked impromptu
and recorded what he said on tape. The tape was
transcribed, and all breath stops and phrases were
indicated by spaces left in the lines of print. The
transcript was published first as an article in an art
magazine and subsequently as a poem in a book of his
recent works. But when read silently or aloud, it was
just like David Antin was speaking normally.” Allan
Kaprow, “Education of the Un-Artist, Part III,” in
Essays on the Blurring of Art and Life, ed.
Jeff Kelley (Berkeley: University of California Press,
1993), 146–47. Antin and Kaprow were colleagues for many
years at the University of California at San Diego.
↩︎
There are a couple of early examples of Antin’s work
appearing on vinyl, such as his reading of “The Black
Plague” on the anthology Poems for Peace. David
Antin, “From ‘The Black Plague,’” track A6 on
Poems for Peace: A Benefit Reading for the New York
Workshop in Nonviolence at St. Mark’s Church in the
Bouwerie,
LP, 1967, Broadside Records BR465. He also released two
cassettes in his career:
The Principle of Fit (1980) and
the archaeology of home (1987).
↩︎
Davidson, “Technologies of Presence,” 208. Antin himself
notes, “im an old new Yorker as youll probably recognize
from my accent.” Antin, “is this the right place?,”
talking at the boundaries, 27.
↩︎
Alpert, “David Antin—An Interview,” 27. Antin continues,
“And usually these ‘talks’ were addressed—not only
to people, but also toward—a domain.
That people called art.” Alpert, 28. Emphases in
original.
↩︎
Antin’s printed talks, Davidson notes, are “in no sense
a replica of the talk itself. Antin freely edits and
modifies the talk so that it becomes a representation,
not a mimesis, of speech.” Davidson, “Technologies of
Presence,” 208.
↩︎
Antin, letter to Sherman Paul, 14 October 1981, quoted
in Paul, In Search of the Primitive, 69. Antin
notes that “the first really clear talk poem came in
late 1970, when I was invited by Dore Ashton to be part
of a series of speculative lectures to be given at
Cooper Union,” though, for a variety of reasons, Antin’s
piece was never published. An excerpt of “talking at
pomona” appeared in
Alcheringa: A Journal of Ethnopoetics, no. 4
(Autumn 1972): 42–44, and it was included as the final
piece in Antin’s book Talking, published by
Hornick’s Kulchur Foundation in 1972.
↩︎
This story appears in a number of places, including
Marjorie Perloff’s introduction to the new edition of
Antin’s Talking (Dallas: Dalkey Archive, 2001).
See also Antin quoted in Paul,
In Search of the Primitive, 69. Eleanor Antin
was working on her photoconceptual work
Carving: A Traditional Sculpture at the time,
which was also engaged with gerunds and process. The
original audio of Antin’s talk at Pomona, a little over
an hour long, is available online: GRI, Selected audio
and video recordings from the David Antin papers, C6,
http://hdl.handle.net/10020/2008m56av. ↩︎
Antin, Spanos, and Kroetsch, “Correspondence with the
Editors,” 620.
↩︎
See Andy Warhol, a: a novel (New York: Grove,
1968). Antin mentions Warhol’s “taped novel” in his 1966
article on the artist, although a wouldn’t be
released until two years later. David Antin, “Warhol:
The Silver Tenement,” in
Radical Coherency: Selected Essays on Art and
Literature, 1966 to 2005, by David Antin (Chicago: University of Chicago Press,
2011), 21.
↩︎
See Peggy Gale, ed.,
Artists Talk, 1969–1977 (Halifax: Press of the
Nova Scotia College of Art and Design, 2004).
↩︎
Dedication in Artforum 11, no. 1 (September
1972).
↩︎
See Rebecca McGrew and Glenn Phillips with Marie
Shurkus, eds.,
It Happened at Pomona: Art at the Edge of Los
Angeles, 1969–1973, exh. cat. (Claremont, CA: Pomona College Museum of
Art, 2011).
↩︎
John Coplans to David Antin, 2 June 1972, David Antin
papers, GRI, 2008.M.56, box 15, folder 34.
↩︎
“I really didn’t know what it was those students needed
to hear,” Antin later said. “So I decided I wouldn’t
prepare anything to talk about before I got there. I was
scheduled to meet some of the students and look at their
work.” Alpert, “David Antin—An Interview,” 27.
↩︎
Rosalind Krauss, “A View of Modernism,”
Artforum 11, no. 1 (September 1972): 51.
Reprinted in Rosalind Krauss,
Perpetual Inventory (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press,
2010), 115–28.
↩︎
See David Antin, “what am i doing here?,” in
talking at the boundaries, 23–24.
↩︎
Antin, Spanos, and Kroetsch, “Correspondence with the
Editors,” 616.
↩︎
Theodor W. Adorno, “Punctuation Marks,” in
Notes to Literature, vol. 1, trans. Sherry
Weber Nicholsen (New York: Columbia University Press,
1991), 91.
↩︎
Susan Sontag, “The Aesthetics of Silence,”in
Styles of Radical Will (New York: Farrar,
Straus & Giroux, 1969), 28.
↩︎
Ideally, this was the case—and “talking at pomona”
appears this way in Antin’s book Talking (New
York: Kulchur Foundation, 1972). In
Artforum, the text conforms to the periodical’s
columnar structure and is justified on the left.
↩︎
Cage’s work was important for Antin, especially his
“Lecture on Nothing.” For Antin on Cage, see Antin,
“john cage uncaged is still cagey,” [1989–2005] in
Antin, Radical Coherency, 331–43. See also
Marjorie Perloff, “‘No More Margins’: John Cage, David
Antin, and the Poetry of Performance,” in
The Poetics of Indeterminacy: Rimbaud to Cage
(Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1981),
288–339.
↩︎
Antin, “talking at pomona,” in Talking, 174,
175. ↩︎
Antin was one of six critics asked by dealer and curator
Seth Siegelaub to select six artists for a conceptual
exhibition organized by Siegelaub within the pages of
Studio International in 1970 (vol. 180, no.
924). Antin chose Dan Graham, Harold Cohen, John
Baldessari, Richard Serra, Eleanor Antin, Fred Lonidier,
George Nicolaidis, and Keith Sonnier.
↩︎
A line from Johnston comes to mind: “I like to think of
the critic as a corporate sensibility,” she writes.
“Ideally the critic would be a transparent medium giving
off vapors of ideas and opinions constantly passing
through the body from street to concert to cocktail
party.” Jill Johnston, “To Whom It May Concern,” in
Marmalade Me, 154.
↩︎
Antin titled a later book of talk poems Tuning,
a term that speaks to the situational tactics he used to
make his work—the process of syncing his voice, body,
and thoughts to a given space and audience. This is not
to say that Antin’s work created peaceful unions or that
he preached to the choir—it can be surprising to hear
the damning things he has to say about close
acquaintances and colleagues—or even that he was trying
to garner shared understanding, but rather that he
intervened in particular situations.
↩︎
Lytle Shaw,
Narrowcast: Poetry and Audio Research
(Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press, 2018), 3.
↩︎
Les Levine, quoted in Elayne Varian, “Schemata 7,” in
Minimal Art: A Critical Anthology, ed. Gregory
Battcock (New York: E. P. Dutton, 1968), 369.
↩︎
For Kozloff’s words, see the transcription of Levine’s
video, Les Levine:Critic, 1966 (New
York: Matthew Marks Gallery, 2020), n.p.
↩︎
Antin, talking at the boundaries (New York: New
Directions, 1974), 51.
↩︎
Antin was included as an artist in
Software: Information Technology: Its New Meaning for
Art, an exhibition curated by Jack Burnham in 1970 at the
Jewish Museum in New York. Antin also appeared in the
tenth issue of Art-Rite (Fall 1975) on
performance. See also David Antin et al.,
Dialogue-Discourse-Research, exh. cat. (Santa
Barbara, CA: Santa Barbara Museum of Art, 1979); and
Annina Nosei Weber, ed., Discussion (New York:
Out of London, 1980).
↩︎
Lawrence Alloway, “Network: The Art World Described as a
System,” Artforum 11, no. 1 (September 1972):
29. Reprinted in Lawrence Alloway,
Network: Art and the Complex Present (Ann
Arbor, MI: UMI Research Press, 1984), 3–15.
↩︎
See Cindy Nemser,
Art Talk: Conversations with 12 Women Artists
(New York: Scribner, 1975) for one example of the new
prominence of talk at this moment, and perhaps as a
counterpoint to other forms of discourse. Significantly,
Eleanor Antin is one of the artists interviewed in
Nemser’s book.
↩︎
David Antin, “Fine Furs,” in Antin,
Radical Coherency, 302.
↩︎
“since these works could not have been realized without
the kind invitations of many people at many institutions
this book is dedicated to them.” Antin, dedication in
talking at the boundaries, n.p.
↩︎
Antin’s name appears in a section titled “Post Modernism
as Participatory Environment” in Maurice R. Stein and
Larry Miller,
Blueprint for Counter Education (New York:
Doubleday, 1970), n.p.
↩︎
Walter Benjamin, “One-Way Street,” in
Reflections, ed. Peter Demetz, trans. Edmund
Jephcott (New York: Schocken, 1986), 85.
↩︎
David Antin, “Arabian Chess,” Art Chronicle,
Kulchur 20 (Winter 1965–66): 80. Antin ends
this text—as he would later do in “talking at
pomona”—with reflections on chess-like games.
↩︎
For Antin’s withdrawal from publishing criticism, see
his unpublished talk “Criticism as Madness or Liberation
from Madness,” 1987, GRI, Selected audio and video
recordings from the David Antin papers, C176,
http://hdl.handle.net/10020/2008m56av. ↩︎
Fig. 4. —Fred Lonidier (American, b. 1942).
Photograph of David Antin, 1973. Courtesy the artist.
Fig. 5A. —Postcard, front, of David Antin delivering the talk
“Figures of Thought or Figures of Thinking,” 80 Langton
Street, San Francisco, California, 13 May 1978.
Fig 5B. —Postcard, back, of David Antin delivering the talk “Figures
of Thought or Figures of Thinking,” 80 Langton Street, San
Francisco, California, 13 May 1978.
Fig. 5A. —Postcard, front, of David Antin delivering the talk
“Figures of Thought or Figures of Thinking,” 80 Langton
Street, San Francisco, California, 13 May 1978.
Fig 5B. —Postcard, back, of David Antin delivering the talk “Figures
of Thought or Figures of Thinking,” 80 Langton Street, San
Francisco, California, 13 May 1978.
Fig. 6. —Les Levine (Irish, b. 1935). Photographs
shot from the video version of Critic, 1966. Courtesy
the artist.
Fig. 7. —Cover of David Antin,
talking at the boundaries (New York: New
Directions, 1976).
Fig. 8. —Gregg Bordowitz delivering improvised talk piece at Bridget
Donahue Gallery, New York, 2019.
Photo by Oto Gillen. Courtesy the artist.