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From: Phyllis Beinart (beinart_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Thu Sep 11 2008 - 16:39:35 PDT


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> TEACHERARTEXCHANGE Digest for Wednesday, September 10, 2008.
>
> 1. Re: loose graphite/charcoal management
> 2. loose graphite
> 3. RE: loose graphite/charcoal management
> 4. RE: loose graphite/charcoal management
> 5. RE: loose graphite/charcoal management
> 6. A bit OT - call for help in TX
> 7. Help! new preschool assignment
> 8. RE: Help! new preschool assignment
> 9. RE: Help! new preschool assignment
> 10. Re: Help! new preschool assignment
> 11. Teaching to Observe
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> Subject: Re: loose graphite/charcoal management
> From: "Rebecca Burch" <mamallama@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:44:55 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
> I think the custodian is being unreasonable. If you don't want to
> clean, don't get a job cleaning! I'm sure you do all you can to keep
> it contained, and it's not like you're always leaving messes for him
> to clean up. It sounds like the VP realizes he's being unreasonable,
> too.
>
> I didn't know about the sticky mat. That's a neat idea.
>
> Other than that, the only thing I could think of would be to keep a
> swiffer or something around and don't let the kids walk out until
> you've swiffer'd. Maybe even have them remove their shoes and keep
> them by the classroom door, so that the stuff doesn't get onto the
> shoes and tracked out of the classroom. If that doesn't make him
> happy, he's probably determined not to be and there isn't much you can
> do about it.
>
> -b-
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Betty B <bettycarol_40@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> I decided several things, like -loose graphite is awesome, and the
>> difference it made in this project is worth the trouble. It helped my
>> kids loosen up, their drawings look freer and more relaxed.
>>
>> The vice-principal called me at home tonight about this, and wanted to
>> know what they could buy me to help. They are trying to be helpful and
>> are not trying to get me to not use these projects. (She told me the same
>> custodian used to yell at her for using glitter) My actual classroom
>> custodian is awesome, and is not the least bit bothered, its just the guy
>> in the cafeteria. I guess I am just embarassed that this was my first
>> real interaction with the new principal.
>>
>> sigh. Art leaks! Whatever I do, I can't guarantee it will stay in the
>> room - its like telling the band to keep the music inside their room and
>> not let it leak into the hall.
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> Subject: loose graphite
> From: Pam Wellington <loveart@hotmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:56:42 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 2
>
>
> Dear Betty,
> When I use charcoal I give the students a dust pan and have them sweep all
> the looose charcoal which is on the table and any that landed on the
> floor into the pan and into the trash. HOWEVER, you never, ever need to
> apologize for making a mess in the art room! Don't ever apologize to
> anyone for it! Art classes are MESSY. The job of the custodian is to
> CLEAN. That is what he/she gets PAID to do. It is rediculous for any
> administrator to even give an ear to any custodian complaining about
> having to clean up a legitimate mess made in any room! But ART?! Don't
> let it get to you. The custodian who complained is the one who should be
> in trouble, not you! As long as the mess is reasonable, not deliberate or
> over the top.
> Pam Wellington
> Art Dept. Chair
> Boiling Springs H.S
> Boiling Springs,Pa
>
>
>> Subject: loose graphite/charcoal management
>> From: Betty B
>> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT)
>> X-Message-Number: 2
>>
>> Before the school year started, I found my first-year journal, and I
>> wrote about how, when I did charcoal, the custodian told other teachers
>> she would quit if they didn't get rid of me. Well, it is 8 years later
>> and I haven't done charcoal or loose graphite since.
>
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> Subject: RE: loose graphite/charcoal management
> From: "Peshette, Alix" <apeshette@placercoe.k12.ca.us>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:30:12 -0700
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> Betty,
> I'm glad to hear that the vice-principal called wanting to solve the
> problem with better equipment. Like Ken, I don't know what loose
> graphite and charcoal are, but I can guess at the set-up and cleaning
> issues. Some thoughts that come to mind are:
>
> Like glitter (I laughed out loud about your vice-principal's comments on
> her glitter use), maybe the students need to be working in an
> environment that has an edge - like inside the lid of a paper box. This
> way the graphite will have more containment.
>
> If this stuff has a tendency to be somewhat airborne, maybe it needs to
> be used in what would be a "spray painting booth." One can build one
> these with PVC pipe and fittings (no glue so that it can be
> disassembled) and a roll of plastic sheeting from the local hardware big
> box store. The booth can sit on a table top or be a full-size walk-in.
>
>
> I totally appreciate the conundrum of messy art and custodians. I once
> did a three-week paper mache skeleton project for Dia de Los Muertos
> with 7th graders in a portable classroom that had carpeting. The
> students' skeletons were fabulous, but the room was never quite the
> same! LOL! I was also very, very, very nice to my custodian for the
> rest of my time in that classroom!
>
> -Alix
> (former junior high art teacher)
>
>
> Alix E. Peshette
> Instructional Technology Coordinator
> Placer County Office of Education
> 360 Nevada St.
> Auburn, CA. 95603 USA
> 530-889-5976
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Betty B [mailto:bettycarol_40@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: loose graphite/charcoal management
>
> I decided several things, like -loose graphite is awesome, and the
> difference it made in this project is worth the trouble. It helped my
> kids loosen up, their drawings look freer and more relaxed.
>
> The vice-principal called me at home tonight about this, and wanted to
> know what they could buy me to help. They are trying to be helpful and
> are not trying to get me to not use these projects. (She told me the
> same custodian used to yell at her for using glitter) My actual
> classroom custodian is awesome, and is not the least bit bothered, its
> just the guy in the cafeteria. I guess I am just embarassed that this
> was my first real interaction with the new principal.
>
> sigh. Art leaks! Whatever I do, I can't guarantee it will stay in the
> room - its like telling the band to keep the music inside their room and
> not let it leak into the hall.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: loose graphite/charcoal management
> From: "Hillmer, Jan" <HillmJan@Berkeleyprep.org>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:41:17 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 4
>
>
> "sigh. Art leaks! Whatever I do, I can't guarantee it will stay in the
> room - its like telling the band to keep the music inside their room and
> not let it leak into the hall."
>
> And that's the wonder and beauty of it all.
> Jan in Tampa
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: RE: loose graphite/charcoal management
> From: Betty B <bettycarol_40@sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:12:43 -0700 (PDT)
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> For those of you who don't use loose graphite - it is
> General's Graphite, "since 1889" I'll post some photos of finished pieces
> later.
>
> It has gone ok so far today, telling the kids no more graphite, but one
> troubled young man who loves art, and had an excellent drawing, just
> totally shut down, as there was "no point" in going on. The others who
> were behind were fine with using the ebony pencils. He put his drawing in
> the trash and just sat staring unblinking all hour, tearing little
> notecards up into tiny bits, which is what he does when stressed.
> So managing to not cry was my big accomplishment, but I did take his
> drawing out of the trash and tomorrow hopefully they will have the
> "carpenters felt" they think will work, and he can do it then.
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: A bit OT - call for help in TX
> From: Heather_Hayes@roundrockisd.org
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:08:22 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 6
>
> I am helping to organize an art festival designed to benefit a group
> of refugees from Burma living in Austin. They're from a tribe that
> has a strong tradition of weaving, and they make beautiful handbags
> and related items.
>
> Anyway, part of the festival is gathering up other things sold by
> fair trade/charity type groups. We've lined up some paper bead
> jewelry made by women in Uganda, and possibly another group in
> Central America that helps kids leave gangs.
>
> Does anyone know of a fair trade arts/craft type of group that might
> want to participate in this? I know of 10,000 Villages, but they're
> too big and incorporated to join in on our festival.
>
> If you have any ideas for me, PLEASE EMAIL ME OFF-LIST!!! I don't
> want to clog up this list with unrelated posts.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Heather in TX
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: Help! new preschool assignment
> From: robin phillips <robinmcp@hotmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:07:50 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 7
>
>
>
> Dear Fellow ArtsEdNet Friends,
>
> Help! I just found out that I will be "teaching" art to a group of 20
> preschoolers in about 2 weeks! Our school received a grant to start a
> preschool class in our elementary building and in order for the teacher to
> get her contractual 40 minute prep, the specialists are being tapped for
> one 40 minute class a week. These 4 year olds will have a full day
> because there isn't enough money in the budget for transportation to do
> two half day sessions. I cannot imagine that a full day is a wise choice
> for any 4 year old.... but that's how it's going to happen! I will have
> the option of going to their classroom or having them come to mine - right
> now I'm planning to go there (no bathroom facilities in my room), but I'd
> love to hear your thoghts on this. Any help will be appreciated -
> lessons, activities, etc. I am having a hard time getting excited about
> taking on an 8th prep!
> Looking forward to your feedback
>
> Robin in PA
>
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> Subject: RE: Help! new preschool assignment
> From: San D Hasselman <shasselman@hotmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:18:55 +0000
> X-Message-Number: 8
>
>
>
> Hi Robin
>
>
> If you are in a public school I would recommend that you go to your union
> rep, and ask if this is possible. If your contract allows the 8th prep
> without additional compensation or without some other consideration, make
> sure it is written in for next time. Our contract pays if you have to
> teach an additional prep (and while money isn't the only consideration,
> because time is a very valuable commodity, the money makes BOE think twice
> before just thrusting extra preps on teachers). Our contract also pays you
> if you have to "cover" a class during your preparation period or during
> your duty period.
>
>
>
>
>
> That said....
>
>
>
>
>
> I would speak to the teacher and ask HER what she feels you should
> accomplish with these 4 year olds as she should be an expert on that age
> level and their energy,attention and interest levels.
>
>
>
>
>
> San D
>
>> From: robinmcp@hotmail.com
>> To: teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu
>> Subject: [teacherartexchange] Help! new preschool assignment
>> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:07:50 -0400
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Fellow ArtsEdNet Friends,
>>
>> Help! I just found out that I will be "teaching" art to a group of 20
>> preschoolers in about 2 weeks! Our school received a grant to start a
>> preschool class in our elementary building and in order for the teacher
>> to get her contractual 40 minute prep, the specialists are being tapped
>> for one 40 minute class a week. These 4 year olds will have a full day
>> because there isn't enough money in the budget for transportation to do
>> two half day sessions. I cannot imagine that a full day is a wise choice
>> for any 4 year old.... but that's how it's going to happen! I will have
>> the option of going to their classroom or having them come to mine -
>> right now I'm planning to go there (no bathroom facilities in my room),
>> but I'd love to hear your thoghts on this. Any help will be appreciated -
>> lessons, activities, etc. I am having a hard time getting excited about
>> taking on an 8th prep!
>> Looking forward to your feedback
>>
>> Robin in PA
>>
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> Subject: RE: Help! new preschool assignment
> From: "familyerickson" <familyerickson@cox.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:26:35 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 9
>
> Here's some things that worked for me with 3 year olds:
> purple crayon drawing based on the book Harold and the Purple Crayon
> marble painting show picture of Jackson Pollock
> circle printing with all kinds of lids, corks (use both empty circles and
> filled in circles)
> ziplock baggies - squirt in red tempera in one corner, yellow in another
> children massage and discover orange
> blue collage (construction pap., wrapping pap., magazine pages---all blue)
> show pictures from Picasso's blue period
> playdough day - use the Crayola brand - learn to make balls, snakes,
> pancakes
> colored sand painting - can buy at walmart - do it on scraps of matteboard
> covered with glue - teach them to use pincher fingers
> painting with matchbox cars
> paint with only pastel colors on pastel paper with q-tips
>
> Buy Mary Ann Kohls books www.brightring.com
>
> Hope this helps.
> Cindy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robin phillips [mailto:robinmcp@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:08 PM
> To: TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group
> Subject: [teacherartexchange] Help! new preschool assignment
>
>
>
>
> Dear Fellow ArtsEdNet Friends,
>
> Help! I just found out that I will be "teaching" art to a group of 20
> preschoolers in about 2 weeks! Our school received a grant to start a
> preschool class in our elementary building and in order for the teacher to
> get her contractual 40 minute prep, the specialists are being tapped for
> one
> 40 minute class a week. These 4 year olds will have a full day because
> there isn't enough money in the budget for transportation to do two half
> day
> sessions. I cannot imagine that a full day is a wise choice for any 4
> year
> old.... but that's how it's going to happen! I will have the option of
> going
> to their classroom or having them come to mine - right now I'm planning to
> go there (no bathroom facilities in my room), but I'd love to hear your
> thoghts on this. Any help will be appreciated - lessons, activities, etc.
> I am having a hard time getting excited about taking on an 8th prep!
> Looking forward to your feedback
>
> Robin in PA
>
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> Subject: Re: Help! new preschool assignment
> From: Denise Pannell <cen_aca_dp@nwoca.org>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:09:05 -0400
> X-Message-Number: 10
>
> On Wed 10/09/08 7:07 PM , robin phillips robinmcp@hotmail.com sent:
>
>> Help! I just found out that I will be "teaching" art to a group
>> of 20 preschoolers in about 2 weeks!
> ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> I teach a group of 30 (split into 2 classes) of "Young Fives" (basically
> pre-K or developmental K) for 40 minutes on a rotating
> schedule. They are a challenging, but very creative group of kiddos! Be
> aware that many of them will not be able to hold a pair of
> scissors let alone write their own names. That being said, don't be afraid
> to challenge them by introducing the elements &
> principles even at this young age! We talk about artists, listen to music,
> read books- anything that may inspire creativity. I
> have found that if I break my lessons down into several smaller steps,
> they tend not to get bored as easily. For instance, 10
> minutes of drawing followed by 10 minutes of cutting, finished by 10
> minutes of gluing.
>
> Often, I send home a letter at the beginning of the year to the parents
> explaining that at this age, art is more about the
> experience rather than the finished product, so they should not be worried
> if their "Little Picasso" brings home something that is
> unrecognizable because they are definitely being creative. I also am sure
> to post a sign at our annual art show that says "It's
> the Process, Not the Product!"
>
> You can see some of my students' artwork here:
> Primary Lines:
> http://www.artsonia.com/museum/gallery.asp?exhibit=88578
>
> Secondary Shapes:
> http://www.artsonia.com/museum/gallery.asp?exhibit=88638
>
> Magic Glue Windows:
> http://www.artsonia.com/museum/gallery.asp?exhibit=98408
>
> Kandinsky Colors:
> http://www.artsonia.com/museum/gallery.asp?exhibit=108467
>
> Joseph Cornell Boxes:
> http://www.artsonia.com/museum/gallery.asp?exhibit=81558
>
> Joan Miro Dreamscapes:
> http://www.artsonia.com/museum/gallery.asp?exhibit=67640
>
> If you want to see more, follow the link below, in my signature. :)
> Good luck!!
>
> Denise Pannell
>
> http://www.artsonia.com/schools/school.asp?id=36837
>
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>
> Subject: Teaching to Observe
> From: "Chantal Pinnow" <cpinnow@yisseoul.org>
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:47:15 +0900
> X-Message-Number: 11
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a good example to teach kids to draw what they ACTUALLY
> see, not just what they think they know it looks like? My class was doing
> an
> observation painting of their open lockers. I got very frustrated with
> kids
> who after a couple of days, didn't even have their locker open or wouldn't
> rearrange their books the same way as they drew it on the first day. Their
> answer was always "I know what it looks like." My question is "How do you
> do
> an observation drawing if you aren't observing anything?" I understand
> that
> some artwork is from memory or imagination, but we are doing observation
> paintings.
>
> I would like a way to show them that you may THINK you know what something
> looks like, but when you actually take time to observe you may notice
> things
> are quite different. Sorry for the rant. That class just left and I was a
> bit frustrated with them.
> Chantal
>
>Drawing from observation is hard if you have not done it a lot and if you
>are not a art student.
  An open locker is a great idea....but maybe to hard. Talk about the steps
and do a demonstation.
 I think it is better to start with one object that is interesting like a
bicycle. Let the whole class
 work at the same time so that the students who are more motivated will lead
the momentum, also take a break
and do a crit before they are done so they can see each others work and get
ideas.
-Phyllis

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