well said Woody. It does take a lot of relationship building. And yes it takes
more than just complaining. Concerted consistent action must be taken.
Dr. Diane C. Gregory
Director, Undergraduate & Graduate
Studies in Art Education
Texas Woman's University
Denton, TX 76204
Quoting Woody Duncan <firstname.lastname@example.org>:
> I certainly would work with counselors first. I used to
> bring the male counselor frozen catfish fillets. I brought the
> lady candy and made signs and decorations for her. I set my room
> to seat 24 and went to the counselors when I hit 23. I developed
> a close relationship with my principals as well. But I still say
> nothing beats going to the top. I developed a working relationship
> with our superintendents. So much so that new principals would
> tell me "your friend the superintendent is here" when we had a
> school visit. As for the school board, change them. Nothing works
> better that electing a new board. We did it. Teachers can walk
> door to door and get out the votes needed cause so few voters
> turn out in those elections. Try all avenues, and be assertive.
> Action gets results. Yes I am idealistic, but I've seen it done.
> I had reasonable class sizes most of my years in teaching.
> Too many art teachers just complain, put up with it or quit.
> It can be corrected but it takes hard, consistent work.
> Diane C. Gregory wrote:
> > What is mean spirited is school counselors and administrators who don't
> > It is totally unreasonable to put up with these working conditions. I have
> > also seen school boards who say that you should even be glad you have an
> > program.
> > As long as we continue to put up with these kinds of attitudes we have no
> one to
> > blame but ourselves.
> > I have listened to all the problems that people are having on this list:
> > supplies, no equipment, overcrowding, no respect...one can not teach art
> > teach it effectively when there are too many children in the class...this
> > the bottom line...and teachers are left to fend for themselves.
> > I'm sorry but this is inexcusable. Woody, bless your heart, it is great to
> > this idealistic notion that we can fight for the kids and that you can
> > that someone will eventually listen. The bottom line is that this teacher
> > too many students and can't handle all of these students. The class size
> > be reduced and done so immediately. We can not teach art effectively in
> > type of environment--it does a disservice to everyone. By taking a
> position of
> > no tolerance, we are fighting for our kids.
> > Did you know that the number one reason people leave the teaching
> > It is working conditions like this and a lack of anyone being able to
> change it.
> > So many teachers, including art teachers, leave the profession in an
> average of
> > 3 to 5 years. Think of the time, money and effort a teacher goes through
> > get educated to teach. What a waste...So this is important...It is
> > to take immediate action not only for your class, but also for your own
> > professional future. Waiting until the school board can act is a long term
> > solution and doubtful at best.
> > My advice is to work through the school counselors to reduce class sizes
> > failing that I would have students reassigned in whatever way you can. I
> am not
> > talking about getting rid of special education students. I agree with you
> > Woody, many special education students do very well in art classes and are
> > joy to teach. Many "at risk" students are students who have drug problems,
> > alcohol problems, behavior problems. These students are usually very
> > bright...I am talking about having students reassigned who don't take the
> > seriously and fail to be able to pass a test for which they are capable of
> > passing if they only would study and apply themselves. Some counselors put
> > students in art classes because they know the student has a history of not
> > working or applying themselves. They think it is an easy class. Students
> > think so too. It sounds harsh. It does sound mean. We have to fight and
> > hard to have reasonable working conditions. It goes against the grain of
> > art teachers...However, we can not save the world unless we have a
> > environment in which to work.
> > --
> > Dr. Diane C. Gregory
> > Director, Undergraduate & Graduate
> > Studies in Art Education
> > Texas Woman's University
> > Denton, TX 76204
> > email@example.com
> > 940-898-2540
> > Quoting Woody Duncan <firstname.lastname@example.org>:
> >>Diane C. Gregory wrote:
> >>>Have you had a heart to heart conversation with the guidance folks? Are
> >>>possibly getting a lot of "at risk" students? If you get no cooperation
> >>>administration or the counseling folks, and you are having trouble
> >>>class, one tactic that might work is to give a hard test so that some
> >>>will go to the counselor and change the class themselves.
> >>There must be other solutions rather than giving students work they
> >>can't handle. Isn't this what we complain that NCLB is doing ? NCLB
> >>requires special ed students who read well below grade level to be
> >>tested at grade/age level. This is mean spirited and counter productive.
> >>We need to take the students where they are and help them improve
> >>and grow. I taught in a Middle School where a major portion of the
> >>students were "at risk". They were great kids and really wanted to
> >>learn. Please don't kick them out. Go to the school board with your
> >>concerns. They usually see the stats that are presented to them and
> >>assume that a class size average of 23.5 mean that the numbers you
> >>really have. That photos and rosters to the school board meeting.
> >>Take parents with you. Things will change. Local school officials
> >>will treat you differently when they know you stand up for the kids.
> >> Woody
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