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>I think Kathy has some real good points , but I don't agree that you can't
>them with an interesting lesson. This reminds me of a student I had last
>where he was a big pain. Nothing seemed to work, very negative, a real kid
>the streets. But my student teacher found something that he felt very
>successful about and it turned him around completely. It was hard to
>And the project was weaving , which really surprised me.
>It isn't just this one instant that makes me feel this way , but from other
>lessons that I have found have calmed the savage beast... sort of speak.
>it work all the time? Definitely not, but you never know what you might
>on to that will work.
>Kathy Tickner wrote:
>> I think bringing in something "special" like a 3-d project, is rewarding
>> them for bad behavior and negative attitudes. I have been an art teacher
>> k-8 for twelve years, and it doesn't matter what age, bad attitudes
>> be "cured" by providing more expensive, enthralling, creative art
>> That just gives them license to be more destructive, hence heightening
>> frustration. First and foremost your students need to realize that
>> controlled behavior is of utmost importance, not their perception of what
>> the art room should be! The art experience becomes fun, because
>> have developed intrinsic self-control, not teacher-led control through
>> "entertainment and pizazz!" I would keep your projects simple, but
>> interesting, using positive reinforcement through the "caught being good
>> system" Lots, and Lots of positive comments about kids with the good
>> behavior, and don't hesitate for a minute to quietly whisper into the
>> with the bad behavior that they will be doing some "time" with you during
>> their lunch or recess. Whispering in their ear is very powerful, because
>> gets the point across, without making the other kids feel intimidated,
>> no kid that I have ever met likes when a teacher gets that close....it
>> violates their "space" and looks uncool!
>> I hope you think of something without increasing your frustration and
>> Kathy Tickner
>> Byron School District (near Bay Area, CA)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephanie Ignazio [smi]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 2:36 PM
>> To: artsed
>> Subject: 5th grade problems..any solutions?
>> Hi everyone. I am having what I like to call " A DAY ". Problem is one of
>> fifth grades. One class is super...well, not Super with a capital S...but
>> can work in small groups, can listen to one another..most of the time,
>> etc....the other is a handful, have really bad attitudes, waste lots of
>> and I am at a loss for what to do. I am thinking of taking the approach
>> bringing an interesting project to the table and seeing if the materials
>> motivate them. My thought is 3D...any interesting ideas out there...and
>> please send me some "coping vibes" for now!!! thanks...stephanie