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Re: 5th grade problems..any solutions?

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Linda Kelty (lckelty)
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:53:17 -0400

I agree. I have seen some of the toughest kids melt into docility when they
get their hands on something that fascinates them.
That's always the turning point for them and they open up with success. It's
not rewarding poor behavior. Success is the reward and the turn around for
many. Linda K.
-----Original Message-----
From: gregjuli <gregjuli>
To: Kathy Tickner <>
Cc: 'Stephanie Ignazio' <smi>; artsed
Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: 5th grade problems..any solutions?

>hi all.
>I think Kathy has some real good points , but I don't agree that you can't
>them with an interesting lesson. This reminds me of a student I had last
>where he was a big pain. Nothing seemed to work, very negative, a real kid
>the streets. But my student teacher found something that he felt very
>successful about and it turned him around completely. It was hard to
>And the project was weaving , which really surprised me.
>It isn't just this one instant that makes me feel this way , but from other
>lessons that I have found have calmed the savage beast... sort of speak.
>it work all the time? Definitely not, but you never know what you might
>on to that will work.
>Kathy Tickner wrote:
>> Stephanie,
>> I think bringing in something "special" like a 3-d project, is rewarding
>> them for bad behavior and negative attitudes. I have been an art teacher
>> k-8 for twelve years, and it doesn't matter what age, bad attitudes
>> be "cured" by providing more expensive, enthralling, creative art
>> That just gives them license to be more destructive, hence heightening
>> frustration. First and foremost your students need to realize that
>> controlled behavior is of utmost importance, not their perception of what
>> the art room should be! The art experience becomes fun, because
>> have developed intrinsic self-control, not teacher-led control through
>> "entertainment and pizazz!" I would keep your projects simple, but
>> interesting, using positive reinforcement through the "caught being good
>> system" Lots, and Lots of positive comments about kids with the good
>> behavior, and don't hesitate for a minute to quietly whisper into the
>> with the bad behavior that they will be doing some "time" with you during
>> their lunch or recess. Whispering in their ear is very powerful, because
>> gets the point across, without making the other kids feel intimidated,
>> no kid that I have ever met likes when a teacher gets that
>> violates their "space" and looks uncool!
>> I hope you think of something without increasing your frustration and
>> workload.
>> Kathy Tickner
>> Byron School District (near Bay Area, CA)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephanie Ignazio [smi]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 2:36 PM
>> To: artsed
>> Subject: 5th grade problems..any solutions?
>> Hi everyone. I am having what I like to call " A DAY ". Problem is one of
>> fifth grades. One class is super...well, not Super with a capital S...but
>> can work in small groups, can listen to one another..most of the time,
>> etc....the other is a handful, have really bad attitudes, waste lots of
>> and I am at a loss for what to do. I am thinking of taking the approach
>> bringing an interesting project to the table and seeing if the materials
>> motivate them. My thought is 3D...any interesting ideas out there...and
>> please send me some "coping vibes" for now!!! thanks...stephanie