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> artsednet-digest Sunday, October 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 965
>
> This edition includes :
> (no subject)
> Re: artsednet-digest V2 #957
> Re: Hidden treasures
> What is Art? Quote?
> Re: Van Gogh's ear......
> Re: What is Art? Quote?
> Re: 100th Day Activity
> Re: Artist at work
> Re: Triptych Attachment (Are you getting this?)
> Re: Subject Matter III
> Re: Teaching in the inner city
> convention
> Vandalism~No!
> Re: Hats off to You!
> Re: Re:Artist at Work
> Re: Hidden treasures
> Re: artsednet-digest V2 #957
> Re: Judy, starting out
> Re: convention
> Re: What is Art? Quote?
> Re: Clay for aggressive kids?!?!?!
> Re: Artist at work
> Re: convention
> Re: Getty Museum
> Re: "sharing the artist side of oneself" and respect as an artist
> Out on a limb
> My five year old.....
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:59:20 EDT
> From: BluesTruth
> Subject: (no subject)
>
> Hey, Artsednetters-
>
> Check out :
> http://www.thesitefights.com/wepatrol/mil_bug.gif
> for soem yuks.
> Bluestruth
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:08:21 -0700 (MST)
> From: Jonathan C Matthies <Jonathan.Matthies>
> Subject: Re: artsednet-digest V2 #957
>
> I often here the phrase "My five year-old could do that."
> (Especially in reference to modern or non-objective works.) Obviously it
> bugs me. Here is a quote from Picasso that can be used to answer this
> snide/uneducated comment. "Every child is an artist, the problem is
> remaining one once they grow up." That's my 2 cents for today. <:)
>
> - -Jon Matthies
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:06:59 -0700
> From: Maggie White <mwhite>
> Subject: Re: Hidden treasures
>
> Christine and Robert Broyles wrote:
> >
> > I had been trying to collect transparencies of famous art works so that
> > I wouldn't have to use posters that get bent, torn and take up precious
> > wall space. <snip>
>
> Instead of purchasing or making slides of some works, I've been having
> color transparencies of postcard-sized reproductions made at a copy
> shop. This way I can collect more unusual repros that aren't published
> as slides or posters. You can get a couple of postcards on each sheet.
>
> Maggie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:51:11 -0700
> From: Pineo <pineo>
> Subject: What is Art? Quote?
>
> Hi, I use to have this great big poster that had many answers to the
> question "What is Art?". My favorite was, "Well, Art, that's a man's
> name." I think it was Andy Warhol who said it, but I'm not sure. Does
> anyone out there in Artsednet land know who said this? Also, what is
> your favorite quote or answer to the question. Since my poster is long
> gone I want to make a new one and include as many answers as possible.
> Thanks for your help.
> Maryanne
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 03:23:54 -0400
> From: Smurthwaite <smrthwt>
> Subject: Re: Van Gogh's ear......
>
> Hi. Here's my 2 cents: When we talk about Van Gogh's ear I ask the kids if
> they have ever been sooooo mad that they kick the wall (demonstrate) and hurt
> Yourselves? or hit the table and hurt Themselves.(they identify with this)
> This is what happened. He was so mad at himself for a fight with his roommate
> that he hurt himself (just more severely)
>
> Kelly in CT.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:59:40 -0500
> From: gregjuli
> Subject: Re: What is Art? Quote?
>
> hi,
> Hey, don't forget to ask the kids the same question. They will come up
> with great answers.
> MaryB
>
> Pineo wrote:
>
> > Hi, I use to have this great big poster that had many answers to the
> > question "What is Art?". My favorite was, "Well, Art, that's a man's
> > name." I think it was Andy Warhol who said it, but I'm not sure. Does
> > anyone out there in Artsednet land know who said this? Also, what is
> > your favorite quote or answer to the question. Since my poster is long
> > gone I want to make a new one and include as many answers as possible.
> > Thanks for your help.
> > Maryanne
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:07:35 -0500
> From: lindacharlie <lindacharlie>
> Subject: Re: 100th Day Activity
>
> Here's a DBAE 100th day activity: Use Wang Yani's "100 Monkeys" as an
> art historic example. Have the kids analyze the work to figure out how
> she made her monkeys, practice some, then do some math to see how many
> monkeys each student must make to get 100 on a long narrow sheet of roll
> paper. Watercolors work fine for this. When done it can be rolled like a
> Chinese scroll. No reason why you couldn't do cranes, fish, whatever
> else. In case you don't know Wang Yani is (was) the child prodigy from
> China and there are several books about her work available almost
> everywhere.
>
> Linda
> Cleveland Elementary
> Livonia MI
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:22:13 -0700
> From: Charlotte Griswold <griswald>
> Subject: Re: Artist at work
>
> I certainly agree that one can't do one's own art in any class, but I
> still feel that exhibiting one's work, or allowing students to know that
> one is a practicing artist is very valuable.
> I usually sit with my students and do the same assignment, never to
> completion, but enough so they see me work too! Of course, I always try
> to do what I ask them, in the privacy of my own home/studio...way in
> advance.
> Charlotte
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:31:05 -0700
> From: Charlotte Griswold <griswald>
> Subject: Re: Triptych Attachment (Are you getting this?)
>
> John, I really appreciate your lesson, and I plan to use it as soon as I
> hit an appropriate period in ancient history...Like Catal Hyuyk. I will
> let you all know about hinges, we will need those 'stinkn hinges'. I
> think I will also try something in clay in the ceramics class I have
> been involved in.
> So far I have constructed a temple, and made tiles for the backdrop and
> the frontal presentation. A triptych would complete the entire
> ensemble. And make a perfect backdrop for the temple guardian!
> sorry for rambling, but you have sparked my creativity, and I thank you!
> Charlotte in California
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:01:41 EDT
> From: Mcracker
> Subject: Re: Subject Matter III
>
> Hi!
> Glad to hear of someone thinking ahead to Washington, DC in the spring. I am
> planning to be there! The Getty usually sponsers a wonderful get
> together!!!!(Are you listening???) Hopefully, they will do it again. It is
> great to connect names to faces.
> Marcia
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:16:38 EDT
> From: BluesTruth
> Subject: Re: Teaching in the inner city
>
> Stephanie-
> Maybe I was a little strong when I described the conditions in which I work.
> Maybe I reacted in a negative manner. I can't apologize for telling it the
> way it is, however. I have seen many "specialists" come and go in our
> school--mostly go. "Joy" the art therapist-and I'm sure she's very qualified
> - --said something that just is just so unrealistic, insofar our school is
> concerned. Perhaps her techniques work in the rich, white suburban areas, and
> that's great. I would love to hear some more realistic solutions to the inner
> city problems. I try, but there is a frustration. Thank you for your kind,
> supportive words. It means a lot to me.
> Bluestruth
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:21:05 EDT
> From: RB7Surf7
> Subject: convention
>
> Has anyone done the NAEA convention before?
> Is there a night life, does anyone party?
> RB
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:43:34 -0400
> From: "joym" <joym>
> Subject: Vandalism~No!
>
> Woah! In combining my thoughts on acting out kids & on the opportunities
> presented by art media & role modeling/demonstration, I'm afraid something
> got lost! I did not mean to imply that handing out clay at the moment of
> acting out was an appropriate disciplinary measure. Teaching respect for
> the media and for the ownership of the work is obviously an on-going
> process, which requires stronger emphasis when one knows they are working
> with behaviorally disordered kids. Inner city? No. However, I have worked
> with all ages including (but not limited to) alcoholics, drug addicts,
> welfare & foster kids, rage murderers & the severely conduct disordered.
> What I meant about clay was that if you know you have kids with pent up
> emotions, clay is a great media to give them the opportunity to work some
> of that out. The physically oriented acts of wedging, pounding & forming
> release excess energy while becoming a vehicle for the outward expression
> (and discussion) of the....(depends on the child & their issues)..anger,
> fear, frustration, sorrow, sense of abandonment..whatever.
>
> Joy
> artist/art therapist
> in Maine
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:17:05 -0400
> From: "menichino" <menichino>
> Subject: Re: Hats off to You!
>
> Hi --
> My kindergartners love making "artist thinking caps" (we talk about how to
> think like an artist) -- sounds like the ones you describe would be great
> for this!!
> Liz in rural NY
>
> Bluestruth wrote: ----------
>
> You simply
> > take three pieces of newspapers, place it on the child' s head and wrap
> > masking tape around the head part. The children work in cooperative
> groups of
> > four or so. One child will be sitting, the other kids will be doing the
> > masking tape part. They will take turns until all the kids have their
> own
> > hat. Then the group will form the newspaper UNDER the masking tape part
> into a
> > hat. You can decorate it by painting, using tissue, artificial flowers,
> > etc. It is simply adorable.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:12:52 -0400
> From: "menichino" <menichino>
> Subject: Re: Re:Artist at Work
>
> Hi --
> When I read this from Anne, I realized that this is a very important bit of
> advice for a prospective teacher such as Judy McGrath!! Oh how painful it
> is to learn that things don't work out as planned -- especially in the
> presence of 25 restless children!
> I always make sure my student teachers make samples first...
> Liz in rural NY
>
> - ----------
>
> Also, I have never done a
> > project with the kids that I myself have not done first.
> >
> > Anne C-H
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:06:44 -0400
> From: "menichino" <menichino>
> Subject: Re: Hidden treasures
>
> Wow -- Congratulations on being Teacher of the Year!!! That's quite an
> honor!
> Liz in rural NY
>
> - ----------
> > By helping them see the link between art and their
> > subjects, the hidden treasures continue to people who share things and
> > ideas!
> >
> > Christine Broyles
> > 1999 Teacher of the Year - Charlotte County Florida
> > Art teacher grades 6-8
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:28:31 -0400
> From: "menichino" <menichino>
> Subject: Re: artsednet-digest V2 #957
>
> Hi --
> I read a great response to that statement i.e. "A kindergartener could do
> that!" -- the artist should take that as a compliment, since young children
> make art with sincerity and enthusiasm and it's very "pure".
> Liz in rural NY
>
> - ----------
> > From: Jonathan C Matthies <Jonathan.Matthies>
> >
> > I often here the phrase "My five year-old could do that."
> > (Especially in reference to modern or non-objective works.) Obviously it
> > bugs me.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:45:36 -0400
> From: "menichino" <menichino>
> Subject: Re: Judy, starting out
>
> Hi Judy --
> I think the easiest way to begin is not to try to include too much in
> lesson plans and curriculum design. When I started I did lessons that I
> thought the kids would enjoy, there was a noticeable lack of art history
> and art criticism. As the years went on, I learned more about what the
> kids needed, and beefed up my original simple plans with references to
> history and such. Be sure to be consistent with behavior expectations.
> And, don't forget a sense of humor!! Best wishes!
> Liz in rural NY
>
> - ----------
> > From: judith eileen mcgrath <jemcgrth>
> > To: artsednet.edu
> > Cc: artsednet-digest.edu
> > Subject: Re: artsednet-digest V2 #953
>
> .. Tell me, do you
> > have any hints for not getting burnt out fast? Do you have any advice in
> > general for an art educator just starting out?
> >
>
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:38:47 -0600
> From: Christine Merriam <ktwnldy.az.us>
> Subject: Re: convention
>
> >>>>RB asked:
> >>>>Has anyone done the NAEA convention before?
> Is there a night life, does anyone party?<<<<<<
>
> Yes! Yes!!!!! Be sure to stay in the main hotel if you want to be in on the
> parties. Find your state group, ask when and if they are having parties...
> there are great receptions put on by vendors like Binney and Smitth, and lots
> of special interest get togethers.... just ask the people next to you in the
> sessions for locations. Oh... and the state office holders usually know more too.
>
> By the way, I NEVER party. : B¬D (or is that never get enough sleep at Conventions?)
>
> Christine Merriam
> Kayenta Intermediate School
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:16:16 -0400
> From: Kurt Hasselman <kprs>
> Subject: Re: What is Art? Quote?
>
> I get their quotes then put a booklet together and give it out to parents on
> back to school night. I haven't done that in awhile....I think I'll revive
> it.
>
> San D
>
> gregjuli wrote:
>
> > hi,
> > Hey, don't forget to ask the kids the same question. They will come up
> > with great answers.
> > MaryB
> >
> > Pineo wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, I use to have this great big poster that had many answers to the
> > > question "What is Art?". My favorite was, "Well, Art, that's a man's
> > > name." I think it was Andy Warhol who said it, but I'm not sure. Does
> > > anyone out there in Artsednet land know who said this? Also, what is
> > > your favorite quote or answer to the question. Since my poster is long
> > > gone I want to make a new one and include as many answers as possible.
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > > Maryanne
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:34:57 EDT
> From: BluesTruth
> Subject: Re: Clay for aggressive kids?!?!?!
>
> You still haven't convinced me to hand out clay to kids who are seriously
> aggressive. They'd " throw " it all right----at me!
> In the inner city, where I teach, one does not teach only the subject of art.
> I find myself teaching them morals, values, ethics, behavior, manners, how
> NOT to get pregnant at 12, the proper way of speaking, how to sit in a seat,
> how to read, etc. You name it-I teach it. Weeks go by and my students
> haven't picked up a crayon.
> Bluestruth
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:06:17 -0500
> From: "Debbie Nicholas" <dnick>
> Subject: Re: Artist at work
>
> I also work on the same projects the kids are doing right along with them.
> I sit at different places in the room. No one ever knows where I might be,
> the kids love the idea that I don't give them something to do that I won't
> do. I allow the students to get start on their projects first then after
> making sure everyone has the general idea I bring out my supplies and get
> to work.
>
> Debbie Nicholas
> Linden-Kildare Jr. High
> 102 N. Taylor
> Linden, TX 75563
> dnick
>
> "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to
> remain an artist once he grows up."
> - Pablo Picasso
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:36:06 -0700
> From: Maggie White <mwhite>
> Subject: Re: convention
>
> RB7Surf7 wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone done the NAEA convention before?
> > Is there a night life, does anyone party?
> > RB
>
> Embarrasingly so! My sister, who is not a teacher, has joined me in San
> Francisco and Chicago during business trips, and she's _amazed_ at the
> atmosphere. The attendees really cut loose. God knows what the hotel
> staffs must think...There are usually state and regional parties after
> hours, besides Binney & Smith's big opening bash the first night. They
> always put on a great party.
>
> Oh, and there are some wonderful presentations and workshops, too. ;)
>
> Maggie
>
> Maggie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 23:43:00 -0500
> From: Ellyn Wenk <ellyn>
> Subject: Re: Getty Museum
>
> Ellyn Wenk wrote:
> >
> > BluesTruth
> > I was just there in January. Even if there is no current exhibit going
> > on, the architecture is fabulous. It is in Brentwood, You know where
> > OJ's wife lived.
>
> Take a bus, there is a parking permit situation where
> > you have to wait for half a year to park your car in their lot. Have a
> > friend drop you off. Then you can get right in. It is free. A tram
> > takes you up and a band plays while you wait your turn to get on the
> > tram. I was disappointed that the art education is not open to
> > the public. But I did really love my visit there. Go by all means. It
> > was the single most memorable thing I did in california.
> > Ellyn
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:42:59 EDT
> From: MPBC90
> Subject: Re: "sharing the artist side of oneself" and respect as an artist
>
> ...and recently, when the 5th grade teacher returned to "pick up" his class,
> he just stared at my drawing on the chalkboard (a simple 1 pt. perspective
> that I had walked the class through to get them started) in amazement! ...and
> a second grade teacher was astonished that her class had "gotten" depth with
> simple shapes traced (like wooden squares) and turned into dimensional objects
> (ice cubes, fish tanks, telephone booths, etc.) and said that SHE needed to
> take Art Class from me! I am slowly earning some respect as an "artist" at my
> school, as well as "the new art teacher."
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:54:56 EDT
> From: Savannah97
> Subject: Out on a limb
>
> I hesitate to write this tonight but it is bothering me so here goes.
> This week-end I saw the Picasso show in L.A. I left feeling like the boy felt
> in the story " The Emperor's New Clothes". I was wondering, is there anyone
> else out there that doesn't like Picasso's work? I appreciate his
> contributions to art. I think I have an understanding of what he was doing.
> If his art is meant to disturb me then he succeeded in doing so. At times I
> felt that the comentary was just reaching for symbolism. There was so much
> analysis and comparison. Maybe Picasso wasn't REALLY putting that much mumbo
> jumbo into his work? Maybe he was just having a good time. He said as a
> child he drew like Rembrandt and it took him a lifetime to draw like a child.
> I think he painted like a distrubed child.
> Well, sorry I just had to get this off my mind. Hope I havn't offended any.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:59:05 EDT
> From: Toulouse95
> Subject: My five year old.....
>
> Jon,
>
> I let my high school Art II students paint covers for the art classroom
> stools every year. They have to pick a famous artist that no one else has
> already chosen, and paint the stool cover as either:
> 1. a reproduction of one of the artist's paintings
> 2. a combination painting containing elements characteristic of his or her
> work or
> 3. a work of their own in the particular artist's style.
>
> My less motivated students always fight to get people like Pollack, Stella,
> Mondrian, Albers .... anyone whose work looks "simple" to the casual,
> uninformed viewer.
>
> Aren't they surprised (and many of their classmates) at how many days they
> labor over their 15" circular panting? Then, after a week or so as they humbly
> work, I very informally explain to them the philosophy behind each style and
> how the artists worked to arrive there, etc.
>
> They really listen, they really learn, and it improves their philosophies. The
> reason "hands on" education works, right? I like to think it even makes them
> want to work harder and accept more difficult challenges in the future.
>
> I don't think they'll be the person stand in an art museum or even in front of
> another student's work and saying,"Even I could have done that!"
>
> That one always ruffles my feathers a tad, too. I just try and remember how it
> reflects on the speaker. DUH!
>
> Mary Jane
>
> ------------------------------
>
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