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Re: ID UBC artsednet-digest V2 #1002

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wendy christiansen (wenchris)
Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:35:07 -0700 (PDT)

This is in reply to Bruce and Holly. I suggest that you look at my friend
Ken Mason's web site, Haircraft International. His work revolves around
exploration of consumerist society and the web site is a fake corporate
one in which he markets Haircraft (that's what he calls his Art). His 3-d
pieces are made from found objects culled from all over - thrift stores.
things he finds in the garbage, and human hair - and they are hilariously
funny. See if you can pick out Mr. Potato Head in his many
manifestations. In some pieces Ken has glued brightly coloured candies
and pink marshmallow things. They make you laugh suddenly, and they are
all the more peculiar because people formally owned (and discarded) the
things they are made of. Ken is recycling popular culture. His work would
be interesting to secondary kids because it is funny and relevant in a
contemporary sense.
His web address is: http://home.infinet.net/kmason or,
http://www.priss.org/haircraft
On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, artsednet-digest wrote:

>
> artsednet-digest Monday, October 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 1002
>
>
>
> This edition includes :
> Re: Grading Elementary Art
> Re: U of A
> Re: Gifted, Schmifted
> Re: Gifted, Schmifted
> elementary grading
> getty list serve
> gifted info
> Re: Mona Brooks(new members)
> Re: gifted info
> Re:
> Re: artsednet-digest V2 #996
> Re: Gifted, Schmifted
> Re: Highly gifted?!?!?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:51:00 PDT
> From: "Pat Bainbridge" <pat_bainbridge>
> Subject: Re: Grading Elementary Art
>
> We don"t believe in grades in my corp. Too much diff in age in one
> class,maturity,health-all these can be a factor -also try to keep grades
> fair and consistant for 550 students! They all should have a place to
> be sucess ful in personal expression-not trying to figure out what the
> art teacher wants for an A.
>
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> >Wow,....Ginny He has to be crazy. I do not believe that we elementary
> art
> >teachers should be a type of person who labels a child A B C D F. My
> >husband got an F in music in elementary school because he "could not
> sing".
> >He is now an opera singer professionally and teaches vocal singing at a
> >university. I surely am glad he was not blighted by the music teacher.
> At
> >my school I have fought for a participation grade. Personaly, I thaink
> the
> >grades matter only to the parents. For ex mple, "My child is an
> artistic
> >genius because he/she gat an A in art". Ugh Kathy Black
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:12:13 EDT
> From: BCrable
> Subject: Re: U of A
>
> Holly,
> I was reading through the EMail and couldn't help but notice your coments on
> excesses. I hope that you know that there are cites on the getty that deal
> with ecological art. You can start there, and when you get a chance you might
> want to take a look at "The Simple Living Guide" by Janet Luhrs. There is a
> whole group of Simple L ivers in Oregon, they have meetings where they
> discuss where to get your toaster repaired rather than send it to the dump.
> I don't think you are my partner, but I hope this info helps. Reduce, Reuse,
> Recycle!
> Bruce
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:19:56 PDT
> From: "Pat Bainbridge" <pat_bainbridge>
> Subject: Re: Gifted, Schmifted
>
> We have Merit class - they're maybe smarter than the average bears...the
> art work is usually pretty good - a bit better than the other in the
> same grade but one of the kids said it was his bithday- he was 10! in
> the third grade - my son is 10 and in 5th grade/ I'm sure he'd be a lot
> smarter in 3rd! This kids was gifted in that his bright parents knew it
> would be to his advantage to start school older. This is a trend for
> athletics too...Oh well We had open house and I told them the good news
> was ALL children are gifted in art ! I belive that so did Picasso
> apparently. Seeya
>
> >From owner-artsednet.edu Mon Oct 19 17:15:48 1998
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> >I dunno, that's the question for the ages: Highly or slightly--How do
> they
> >measure that?!?
> >(Methinks it's a form of bigotry and prejudice--the bigger the
> pocketbook you
> >have-- the more gifted you are).
> >BT
> >
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:19:58 PDT
> From: "Pat Bainbridge" <pat_bainbridge>
> Subject: Re: Gifted, Schmifted
>
> We have Merit class - they're maybe smarter than the average bears...the
> art work is usually pretty good - a bit better than the other in the
> same grade but one of the kids said it was his bithday- he was 10! in
> the third grade - my son is 10 and in 5th grade/ I'm sure he'd be a lot
> smarter in 3rd! This kids was gifted in that his bright parents knew it
> would be to his advantage to start school older. This is a trend for
> athletics too...Oh well We had open house and I told them the good news
> was ALL children are gifted in art ! I belive that so did Picasso
> apparently. Seeya
>
> >From owner-artsednet.edu Mon Oct 19 17:15:48 1998
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> >I dunno, that's the question for the ages: Highly or slightly--How do
> they
> >measure that?!?
> >(Methinks it's a form of bigotry and prejudice--the bigger the
> pocketbook you
> >have-- the more gifted you are).
> >BT
> >
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:08:06 EDT
> From: Didij
> Subject: elementary grading
>
> Ginny, schools in our district have switched to developmentally-centered
> progress reports for elementary children. In art, music and P.E., we check the
> following categories for our various criteria: Beginning, Developing, Grade
> Level, Proficient. "Grade Level" means that the child is performing up to
> expectations for that grade, while "Proficient" means the child has exceeded
> grade level expectations. I believe letter grades are unnecessary
> classifications which label and can hurt young children. If a principal forced
> me to use them, I'd probably give everyone an "A" if their effort was 100%,
> followed up by comments.
>
> Diane Jaquith
> Newton, MA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:18:51 EDT
> From: Didij
> Subject: getty list serve
>
> Susan, I applaud your courage to write back to the list about the unkind
> remark. People were quick to respond positively, so don't let that one person
> stop you from participating. You will get lots of vital information. Over the
> years, I have dropped in and out of the list serve, and have had my share of
> rude responses. It hurts, but you just have to bounce back.
>
> With regard to your drawing group, that is quite a range (grades 1-8)! Bunki
> is right, it doesn't matter how you progress through the various elements,
> just understand that each age will interpret it from their developmental
> viewpoint. Several good books: Observational Drawing by Nancy Smith and the
> Drawing Group; Drawing with Children by Mona Brooks; also by Mona Brooks -
> Drawing with Older Children and Teens. In our classes, we talk about three
> kinds of drawing: observation (something you can see right now), memory
> (something real that you can't see right now) and imagination (fantasy). Very
> young children can distinguish between these three groups, and that each kind
> of drawing has its place and purpose. Good luck!
>
> Diane Jaquith
> Newton, MA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:51:33 -0500
> From: Ellyn Wenk <ellyn>
> Subject: gifted info
>
> !
> The highly gifted student (160 IQ and above) is not to be laughed at ,
> one is
> comparable to the profoundly retarded or trainable student at the other
> end of the spectrum. Gifted (130-160 IQ) you could compare to
> Cognitively Delayed
> and the slightly gifted (120 IQ) you could compare to the LD, ADHD and
> ED .
>
> IQ tests are not popular however and may not be used in some schools so
> identification is less reliable and may be more subjective.
>
> If you can understand the concept of special education students being at
>
> all different levels, then perhaps you can understand the concept of
> gifted students coming with all different levels of needs. Though many
> of us do not understand gifted students nor do we want to take the time
> to do so the child does exist and is not a joke. I find this dialogue
> very embarrassing coming from a list serve which probably is made up of
> very gifted and talented teachers.
>
> I know that it stems from our society not embracing the concept of
> giftedness even when we know it exists. Just ask Picasso, Einstein,
> Edison, Van Gogh . We all know that they would have been and were
> considered failures in their schools, and never considered gifted, just
> as some of you are making fun of the gifted students and their
> identification . Please do me a favor learn about the gifted student.
> They are fascinating and worth our effort in trying to reach them.
> Ellyn
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:25:24 -0400
> From: John & Sandra Barrick <astroboy>
> Subject: Re: Mona Brooks(new members)
>
> http://monart.com/
> New members here is mona brookes web page, her name does pop up
> periodically so browse through."Drawing with children" and Drawing
> with Teens and adults"
> Sandra
>
> L. Conrad wrote:
> >
> > Hi all. Can someone tell me about the book recommended written by Mona
> > Brooks. Can't remember the title. Can you tell me if it would be
> > beneficial as I teach Jr. high. Thanks Lori
>
> - --
> john barrick
> Sandra Barrick
> astroboy
> http://home.fuse.net/astroboy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:28:07 -0400
> From: John & Sandra Barrick <astroboy>
> Subject: Re: gifted info
>
> Well when I think of creativity I think it would have to be measured
> with a flexible curve, for to measure with a straight line would be
> to see in a straight line. I am not in the debate of which is gifted
> nor not gifted, but an IQ is measurements and numbers, all with
> environmental factors playing their part and the hand dealt at which
> time. On behalf of every C student out there, I am sorry to see that
> people who are labeled, gifted or not, are not equal.
> Sandra
> P.S. I do believe everyone could use art in their life,especially
> those more brainy. I mean would Bill Gates be such a nerd if he'd
> loosen up and take a few (life) drawing classes. Tee Hee
> (Sorry Billy!) Please don't squash me like a prune, no really ,Yeah
> that's the ticket!
> Ellyn Wenk wrote:
> >
> > !
> > The highly gifted student (160 IQ and above) is not to be laughed at ,
> > one is
> > comparable to the profoundly retarded or trainable student at the other
> > end of the spectrum. Gifted (130-160 IQ) you could compare to
> > Cognitively Delayed
> > and the slightly gifted (120 IQ) you could compare to the LD, ADHD and
> > ED .
>
> Sandra Barrick
> astroboy
> http://home.fuse.net/astroboy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:17:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: carla schiller <charwitt.us>
> Subject: Re:
>
> Perhaps my program's name has sparked the "what does highly gifted mean?"
> questions. In Los Angeles, it has a very specific meaning. It means the
> students in the program have all tested at 145 or above on IQ tests
> administered by the school district. Does this mean that those that don't
> test that high are not HG or that all those that test that high are? Of
> course not, but it's the measure that the district has used to identify a
> bunch of kids who have a high probability of certain academic special
> ed-type needs. I see them as the other side of the coin from traditional
> special ed kids. HG kids often don't do well in regular classes - boys
> especially tend to act out or disrupt the class. They tend to get picked
> on as being "nerds" in regular classes, and often have disparate abilities
> in different subjects which simply accelerating them up a grade or two
> wouldn't cure. The IQ tests don't test ability in art or music or sports,
> etc. so the distributuio of ability in those subject is as varied as in
> any typical school population.
>
> Hope this helps!
> - --Carla
>
> Carla Schiller, Esq.
> Teacher, Highly Gifted Magnet
> North Hollywood High School, CA
> e-mail: charwitt.us
> webpage index: http://lausd.k12.ca.us/~charwitt/index.html
> *************************************************************************************
> "Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it."
> *************************************************************************************
>
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Lauretta A. Hendricks-Backus wrote:
>
> > I was responded to someone whos return address was from a "highly gifted
> > magnet". I have no idea what that means.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:24 AM 10/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
> > >How about "kinda gifted"? Actually, what is "highly gifted"?
> > >
> > >Susan
> > >
> > >>>> "Lauretta A. Hendricks-Backus" <lhb.edu>
> > >10/19/98 07:26am >>>
> > >"Highly Gifted Magnet"......
> > >
> > >Wow! now not only are there "gifted" programs there are
> > >"Highly Gifted"
> > >programs. How bout "slightly gifted"?
> > >
> > >Retta
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:22:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: carla schiller <charwitt.us>
> Subject: Re: artsednet-digest V2 #996
>
> I seem to have missed this letter - could someone send it to me? Thanks!
> - --Carla
>
> Carla Schiller, Esq.
> Teacher, Highly Gifted Magnet
> North Hollywood High School, CA
> e-mail: charwitt.us
> webpage index: http://lausd.k12.ca.us/~charwitt/index.html
> *************************************************************************************
> "Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it."
> *************************************************************************************
>
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, R. Moore wrote:
>
> > Ellen Hall has written a very nice letter commenting on the ArtsEdNet
> > website and the Philosophers' Forum dealing with BEAUTY. I particularly
> > like the useful tips she provides for teachers who might want to use some
> > of the material in the Beauty walk as a springboard for various related
> > studies. Viewers who are teaching classes with an art or ancient history
> > component will surely want to look at her letter.
> > Ron Moore
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:25:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: carla schiller <charwitt.us>
> Subject: Re: Gifted, Schmifted
>
> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 BluesTruth wrote:
>
> > (Methinks it's a form of bigotry and prejudice--the bigger the pocketbook you
> > have-- the more gifted you are).
>
> I feel I must respond to the above misconception. First of all money, has
> nothing to do with it. In fact, our program started as an integration
> program and we are 60% minority. Most of our students are "poor" or they
> would probably be attending one of the many private school in LA instead
> of the second largest (and urban) school district in the country. Many of
> them ride 1-2 hours each way on a school bus to attend our program - LA
> Unified has 625 schools and many miles of territory.
>
> Why is it bigotry to acknowledge that some people are more gifted
> academically than others, but not bigotry to acknowledge that some people
> are more gifted artistically or athletically than others? I've never
> understood that.
>
> Hope this helps clarify another view of the issue.
> - --Carla
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: carla schiller <charwitt.us>
> Subject: Re: Highly gifted?!?!?
>
> I am a little confused about BluesTruth. Until this topic, the posts I've
> read from BluesTruth have been respectful and professional. This post I'm
> replying to has a very different writing style. Once before, about a year
> ago, I ran into a mean-spirited string of messages from BluesTruth and
> someone told me it wasn't the "real" BluesTruth. I hope that is the case
> here.
>
> - --Carla the "not gifted artist" teacher
>
> Carla Schiller, Esq.
> Teacher, Highly Gifted Magnet
> North Hollywood High School, CA
> e-mail: charwitt.us
> webpage index: http://lausd.k12.ca.us/~charwitt/index.html
> *************************************************************************************
> "Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it."
> *************************************************************************************
>
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 BluesTruth wrote:
>
> > I said the same thing a coupla months ago to the teacher that works at "
> > Highly gifted Magnet whatever."..What exactly does that mean??? Highly gifted.
> > I found it a real snobby thing to label your school like that. O.K. O.K. so
> > that's the name, but do we have to read it all the time-after you sign your
> > name??? Let's see, I think I'll label my school as...Chicago Public School
> > for the Highly not Gifted and Extremely Low IGAP scores. How's that sound???
> > Are you impressed yet?
> > Bluestruth
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
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