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Oh well, I apologize for going on and on about this
Yes, we can agree to disagree - I respect your points and I really do
think that we are closer to agreeing that we thought at the beginning of
all of this, what has turned out to be, mammoth subject.
Thanks for letting me bend your year,
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Bunki Kramer wrote:
> Hi, Lynn.....Everything's cool now! I apologize for my "flamette" and my
> manners but at the time I was really, you know....beside myself?! I was
> responding to what you ACTUALLY SAID in your infamous post and NOT to what
> you might have been THINKING! You made no mention of "cookie-cutter art"
> nor of stencils. You ONLY said "pattern" and "seasonal art". How could I
> think otherwise if that's what you said?!
> A class of 36 identical pumpkins leaves me on edge too and if this was a
> wonderful world with an art teacher in every elementary room, life would be
> perfect! Unfortunately....and especially in California with no formal
> art programs (at least in our large district)...kids have to get what they
> can "get" and 36 pumpkins are better than no pumpkins at all!!!!! The more
> incentive, encouragement and training we can give the classroom teachers,
> the better...but we have to work together. Many of these same classroom
> teachers have little self-confidence in their art abilities and need
> strong, HELPFUL motivation from us.
> I also feel strongly that kaleidoscope art (because that's what it
> is....ART) has a difinite place in the artroom as well as crossing many
> other demensions such as history in the Rose Window, graphic art and design
> as in hubcaps, a study of Platonic Solids and tetraheadra in math,
> science..I don't know in what, maybe someone else can enlighten us
> both...kinetic art as in 3D rotational hexagonal kaleidocycles, patterning,
> radial symmetry...be it rotational or relective...tiling as in MC Escher's
> tessellations! I could go on and on!
> Although you did not mention this..someone else did on a recent post...not
> being adaptable to intEgrating other facets to art experiences because the
> other core subject teachers are not asked to is a wasteful mindset. Who
> loses? Not the art teacher, not the subject teacher! We all know who loses!
> So what if other teachers are not doing art in their rooms (fortunately in
> my school they do!)?
> My only concern is my students and their love for their artworks and how it
> relates to everything around them! I don't want my students to walk away
> from the artroom thinking art is fun but it's not important because it
> doesn't relate to the real world and everything in it!
> I'm writing a novel! I dislike teachers that "posture" and I guess that's
> what I'm doin'! Sorry! Let's just agree to disagree!!!!!!! Truce!
> Bunki Kramer
> Los Cerros Middle School
> 968 Blemer Road
> Danville, California 94526
> sch.# 510-552-5620