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Re: [teacherartexchange] Art as a dumping ground - need advice


From: bkramer(POP) (bkramer_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Fri Nov 17 2006 - 07:55:21 PST

From the sound of your post and what you are saying, it seems the squeaky
wheels (other electives) are getting heard and you're not squeakin' loud

My suggestion at this point would be that you start drawing attention to
your problem by sending the "problem" to the office each time you have to
deal with the child destroying, disrupting, etc. Administrators don't like
to see kids in the office here and that means when these problems sit under
their noses, these problems get fixed. Sometimes you have to plop the child
in their collective laps before they understand what you are dealing with
everyday. If they know you're going to do this every time it happens, then
they will start looking for other alternatives. Sometimes just a boring
"time-out" in the office will turn my kiddies around.

When I send someone to the office, the AP has the child work on their
project in his personal office alone with him. That's enough to unnerve

What I'm trying to say is...don't let yourself be "used" by the
admins./counseling office as the ONLY dumping ground. If you are being
"used", you need to change your own responses/reactions for anything else to
happen. Toodles.....Bunki

on 11/17/06 7:27 AM, at wrote:

> I teach MS art, and I'm the only art teacher at my campus. (Other MS's in
> my district that are the same size have 2 or 3 art teachers - I'm not
> exactly sure why there's not more here) This is the 2nd year I've been at
> this school, and in those 2 years I've felt very much like my class is
> viewed as a dumping ground for students who other teachers don't want. I
> know full well that art is often a place where students who aren't
> successful in other classes can shine, and I love that. (I often get into
> conversations with other teachers about individual students, and am
> surprised to find out that one of my better kiddos is a troublemaker in
> another subject)
> To give you an example of what I mean, I've got a student who refuses to
> do even the most basic work, and often spends her time picking on other
> students/destroying art supplies/making messes/throwing things. I've
> called home, given several detentions, written several referrals, etc.
> Nothing changes her behavior. I spoke to the counselor and AP about
> changing her schedule because she is a horrible distraction in my class,
> and just can't handle herself in my room (and because she never wanted art
> as an elective in the first place). The counselor and grade level AP
> responded by saying that they couldn't move her because then she'd be a
> distraction in another class - as if it's taboo to give problem students
> to the other if the other electives have the option to
> reject problem students. Since she's "not a team player" they won't put
> her in athletics, band, drama, orchestra or choir because they don't want
> to damage those programs.
> It's my opinion that loading my classes with students like this is
> damaging my program! What sane, well behaved kid wants to be in classes
> with multiple kids like the one I described??? I understand that kids
> like this are a given...that there will always be a few...but why can't
> the burden be SHARED??? Why do the other electives get to reject such
> kids and I'm stuck with them in my classes - ruining everyone's day?
> This is just one aspect of things that the admin and counselors do that I
> think hurt my program. Any advice on what I can do?
> Heather Hayes
> Visual Art
> Ridgeview Middle School
> 512-424-8471
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