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artsednet-digest V2 #167

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artsednet-digest Tuesday, 11 March 1997 Volume 02 : Number 167

This edition includes:
Re: curriculum
Re: strips of sky
Re: e-mail question!
Re: Ukranian eggs
Re: NAEA convention, Sunday night
Re: Neo-Nazi (fwd)
Re: Ukranian Easter eggs
Re: are we allowed
Re: strips of sky


From: EVasso
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:21:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: curriculum


You write:
"With all of our efforts to be politically correct, to not offend or
appropriate another culture's art forms, I wonder if we are not doing a
great disservice to ourselves and our students."

Maybe we are doing a disservice, but exactly what efforts are "we" all
engaged in to be politically correct and inoffensive. From my observations,
there is an awful lot of offensive stuff flying around these days.

I thought some interesting questions were raised about the dilemma's involved
in dealing with cultures other than our own in an art class. It is not the
first time this question has been raised on this list and I hope not the

San D's response, I thought was provocative and made some good points as
well. But, Carol, I think to dismiss the whole issue as one of "political
correctness" (a by-now-tired-lable anyway) provides little in the way of

I was interested in the way you dismissed your fellow student who was Jewish.
Was there nothing in what she said and felt that is true? What is unique to
the Jewish experience of the Holocaust or the African-American experience of
slavery or the Native American experience of genocide? Can we all share in
that experience? Certainly not in the same degree or extent. The claim of
universality should not be used as a tool to dismiss the reality and value of
difference. Who are the students we teach? What is worth knowing and
experiencing? How do we teach in a way that encourages sensitivity and
respect. I don't think the answers are so clear yet?

- -Fred


From: Melissa Enderle <Melissaenderle>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 20:43:44 -0000
Subject: Re: strips of sky

> what do most art educators do regarding young students who
>paint or color the famous blue strip of sky across the top of their paper? Do
>you smile and say "How beautiful!" or do you attempt to "teach" them that the
>sky actually appears to go all the way down and touch the ground?! At what
>age do students discover this for themselves? Most of my fifth graders tend
>to do the strip sky thing...

At about third grade I begin introducing landscape art. With the aid of
reproductions and visual observation (both out the windows and in the
classroom) the concepts of space and depth are introduced. We talk about
the foreground, middleground and background. Size and amount of detail
in relative spaces are discussed. Drawings consist of objects and the
environment, with some object in each spacial area. For kids who don't
quite grasp the sky-ground concept, consider a sunset. The sun is in the
sky and disappears from our view as it falls behind the distant hills,
etc. The next challenge is to get kids to apply this sky concept in ALL
of their drawings, not just the ones which directly teach it.

Melissa Enderle


From: Sidnie Miller <>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:29:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: e-mail question!

Dear Bunki--when you read an e-mail message your computer is just
a dumb terminal--in other words my server is in Reno at the university.
'It only relays messages to me at home or wherever I am with internet
access. The only way something could enter your hard drive and do
anything is if you download a program into your hard drive.Sid

# Sidnie Miller #
# Elko Junior High School #
# 777 Country Club Drive #
# Elko, NV 89801 #
# 702-738-7236 #

On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Bunki Kramer wrote:

> Will someone out there please answer a question for me? This has come up
> with a few friends on the internet and I was wondering.....Can an e-mail be
> made that when you read it, it can destroy your hard drive? What about
> downloading it or printing it? I've heard people answer both ways and I'm
> thoroughly confused!
> Thanks........Cya............
> Bunki Kramer
> Los Cerros Middle School
> Danville, California 94526


From: Sidnie Miller <>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:54:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Ukranian eggs

Ukranian eggs dealt with spring and rebirth and all that but there was
a belief that there was a terrible monster in chains and the more eggs
that were produced, the stronger his chains, but should young girls
stop producing eggs, he would be freed to ravage the earth. Every year
the monsters servants circle the globe keeping records of the number
of pysanki made. When there are few, his chains loosen and evil
flows through the world. When there are many eggs the chains are
held taut and love can conquer evil.
There is a company called Surma, 11 East 7th St, New York, NY 10003
which sells a great kit for pysanki including dyes, wax, a candle,
postcards of eggs, a wax tool and a super little book with all the
history and mythology of the egg decorating. It also goes into
lots of detail about the meaning of the various symbols used. I
can't remember how much it cost--$15 -20 I think. There is a certain
amount of luck involved here, and the tradition is that you just
leave the eggs alone. You can turn them, but leave the yoke etc.
inside and it should dry out over time (years). If your eggs break
it's bad luck for you, sort of like a broken mirror. I guess that
means you shouldn't be tampering with your luck by trying to blow
the egg or bake it etc. I did these with my sunday school class and
they loved the stories that I read out of the little book. After
class I dropped the box that held my sample eggs, so if any of you
were wondering about all the evil in the world, I guess I'd have to
take some responsibility!!Sid
# Sidnie Miller #
# Elko Junior High School #
# 777 Country Club Drive #
# Elko, NV 89801 #
# 702-738-7236 #

On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Donna Emsel Schill wrote:

> Sir Bear
> Classic Ukranian eggs don't need any intervention to preserve them. Be
> sure to use FRESH (not hard boiled) eggs that dont have any extra
> chemicals on the shell.(You can tell by licking the shell - reject any
> that have a 'chemical' taste). Do your wax/stencil/dye technique and then
> let Mother Nature slowly solidify the insides until you have a nice
> Ukranian 'rattle'. I have classic Ukranian eggs ranging in age from last
> year to over 30 years old that still look magical.
> Does anyone know the
> Ukranian tale of the magic associated with the eggs? I think it is the
> same phenomena as "dream-catchers", we may make the artistic object but we
> don't have all the magic to be complete.
> ***********************************************************************
> Dr. Donna Emsel Schill
> 14101 121st Avenue N.E.
> Kirkland, WA 98034
> (206) 821-5596
> e-mail: schill


From: Scurfield <scurfield>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:34:01 -0600
Subject: Re: NAEA convention, Sunday night

Scurfield wrote:
> Hello colleagues who are going to the NAEA convention in New Orleans!
> Both of my roommates are leaving on Sunday, but I was not able
> to fly home until Monday. I am looking for someone with the same
> dilemma who would like to share a room at the Hilton on Sunday night.
> (Actually, at this point I do not have a room reserved for Sunday at the
> Hilton, but at the Doubletree.) Please email me with your phone number
> so we can make arrangements. My email address is:
> scurfield.
> Sincerely, Marcia Scurfield, Derby, KS

I sent this message about a week ago, but so far no response. I can't
afford to stay alone at the Hilton, but my flight doesn't leave until
Monday. Anyone out there in the same boat? We can help each other.

Thanks to all of you who have been sending info about N'awlins! I'm
really getting excited now--just gotta finish up those pins!

Are you signing up for the Artsednet Talk reception on Thursday evening?
Is there anything the Getty Center does that isn't First Class?!?! It
will be fun to put faces and names together.


From: carla harwitt <>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:38:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Neo-Nazi (fwd)

Thanks for sharing.
- --Carla in LA


From: "NTIEVA Student Assistant 3" <ntieva3>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:29:18 CST6CDT
Subject: Re: Ukranian Easter eggs

> I've never heard of the yolk drying method - I've
> always used the
> blowing method, it's not that hard.
> After I finish an egg, but before I varnish it, I poke
> a hole in
> each end CAREFULLY with a needle. (I chip away just a little
> bit more in the bottom end.) Then, I insert a needle long
> enough to penetrate the yolk, and move it around to "scramble
> the insides" - again CAREFULLY. Then blow through the top and
> the egg should drain out the bottom.

I have an egg vacuum device that I got from a place in Canada,
Surma may have them, too. Anyway, we always varnished the egg
first, then used the vacuum device which attaches to a kitchen
faucet. You only have to poke one hole that way, and by
varnishing the eggs first you keep the dyes from running if they
get wet. I'll see if I can find the Canadian address if anyone
wants it.

Best wishes,

Rebecca Arkenberg
Graduate Research Assistant
North Texas Institute for Educators on the Visual Arts
University of North Texas
PO Box 5098
Denton, TX 76203


From: Brian Ronald Vance <brvance>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:17:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: are we allowed

This is an interesting subject --- are we allowed to make objects that
are sacred to other cultures. I just saw a news report about a white
Austrailian woman who was "posing" as an aboringinal artist named Eddie
Burrup. She was selling traditional paintings to galleries and giving the
dealers the impression that she was from the Aboriginal people. That is
about all the details I recieved... I was wondering has anyone else seen or
heard anything else about this??? It seems like the ultimate in cultural
art fraud.

On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Ben Schasfoort wrote:

> Carla wrote
> >By the way, last week, a young Native American student told our class
> >that we could not make dreamcatchers because we did not have to medicine
> >to do so. But, he added, we could make them using metal hoops and
> >wrapping them with yarn, because then they would just be beautiful
> >decorations, without the power to take away bad dreams. He, however,
> >could make real dreamcatchers because he had the medicine. It was a
> >wonderful learning moment, for me and for the class.
> Thanks Carla, this was a learning moment for me.
> Could we, to avoid problems of what art we may or may not make, say that art
> in nature is not art but a way of expressing visually one's relation to a
> subject?
> I have read and heard and seen pictures about the holocaust, some people I
> know lost family. I am a human being, can think of cruelties and can love. I
> am not Jewish, but have Jewish friends. Am I not allowed to express myself
> visually (I am a visual artist) if someone asks me what I think about the
> holocaust? Of course I am, but my answer will be different from that of my
> neighbours who as children, suffered in Mauthausen. I have not the right to
> think that I can feel the same as the Jewish student you mentioned, but you
> were perfectly right with your statement. We are allowed to "make"
> storytelling dolls and Hmong cloths and dreamcatchers and a crucifix and
> rainsticks and Aztec sacrificial pottery and more. But the fact is, we
> don't. We only say what we know from storytelling dolls and the holocaust
> and dreamcatchers.
> Am I right?
> Ben Schasfoort
> e-mail: ben.schasfoort
> Tel. and fax: (0) 597 55 15 03


From: Brian Ronald Vance <brvance>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:37:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: strips of sky

The blue strip sky is indicative of Lowenfeld's stage where children
create personal symbols for objects. All children go through this stage
and will develop past this stage through careful guidance and
instruction. Looking and talking about the sky is an excellent way of
accomplishing this. I saw a Getty center video about a teacher in
California who had a lesson on looking at the sky ---the actual sky and
paintings like Van Gogh's "Starry Night". Then the students did a
production activity of making "sky paintings".

On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 PurpleArt wrote:

> Just curious -- what do most art educators do regarding young students who
> paint or color the famous blue strip of sky across the top of their paper? Do
> you smile and say "How beautiful!" or do you attempt to "teach" them that the
> sky actually appears to go all the way down and touch the ground?! At what
> age do students discover this for themselves? Most of my fifth graders tend
> to do the strip sky thing...


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