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John Quincy Adams


From: mary maloney johnson (maloneymk_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Fri Mar 05 2004 - 10:50:50 PST

A small correction - it seemed so unusual that I couldn't imagine I'd never
heard about it so I looked him up-

He interpreted french for his father when he accompanied his father on a
diplomatic mission to Russia. He wasn't an ambassador.


> [Original Message]
> From: Larry Seiler <>
> To: ArtsEdNet Talk <>
> Date: 3/5/2004 12:06:14 PM
> Subject: Re: AEN hs rant
> >happier since I started thinking more along those lines. I think this
> >applies to K-Adult.... sometimes even we need that silly, pointless, time
> >wasting project.
> >Donald Peters
> Hey Donald...I felt no toe stepping. Just muse on my part. I wish
> sometimes we had the convenience of play pointless time. I think the
> no kid behind" thinking of late...the teaching to the test for academics,
> and the cutting of programs to make budget has many on edge.
> walking by duing pointless silly times is likely these days to bring poor
> evaluations and questions of one's professionalism.
> Kids might be kids...but where so many of the kids lack parenting, the
> pressure is on for us to help them grow up and take responsibility. It is
> unfortunate...isn't it!
> My kids have their own ideas of what fun is. It means screwing
> get a decent grade. Laughs a minute. Horseplay. "C'mon, Mr Seiler...can
> we just have fun today?" was just asked of me yesterday and the day
> by my 8th graders.
> Such questions burden me with kids just not getting it. That art making,
> exploration and so forth has value. That it is a form of play, but
> play."
> Personally...I resent what is creeping into our culture a notion that fun
> must incorporate a degree of aimless foolishness. Everytime I watch a
> on Michelangelo and what he was doing at 13 years of age...or that John
> Quincy Adams was ambassador of the Unites States in Russia at age 14, and
> that we have forgotten most vocabulary he used at that age which would
> us to the dictionary in a hurry...I think something of value has been lost
> in this world.
> What? Adams never had fun as a child? I'm sure he did.
> What of depth? What of foot soldiers in the armies of the Civil War many
> just common laborers prior to fighting that quoted Emerson and Whitman?
> Perhaps I am just too serious as an artist and musician and am myself
> to be a teacher of the arts. I say that not because of what you have said
> Donald, but as something I often question myself because foolishness and
> silliness abounds and I take the arts serious.
> I was a youth pastor for 20 years in several subsequent churches while
> working fulltime as well as a painter. I was a frontman in a band for
> several years in the big hair 80's that wrote originals with positive
> messages, popular in the northern midwest. We knew how to have fun. I
> always had a deep concern and passion for youth. However, always there is
> something inside me...deep calling unto deep that there is so much to live
> for, to be thankful for that is missing most people. Moments of
> lightheartedness is good...sure. I personally think we should routinely
> have a moment of silence for all that is good and noble that just feels to
> me is slowly eluding and slipping away from our culture and society.
> Immediate sensate, drink and be merry for tomorrow,
> gives a rip?
> Guess I need to go paint. We have a snow day....need a bit of down time,
> crank some on a mural and finish a plein air off I did the
> other day.
> take care...
> Larry
> My websites-
> Member of NAPPAP- "National Academy of Professional Plein Air Painters"
> "Painting is easy when you don't know how, but very difficult when you
> Edgar Degas
> ---