On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:12:04 -0700 (MST) taylorh <taylorh>
>On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, elwood p dowd wrote:
>> was calder a "real" artist or just an over grown kid playing with
>> his toys??? I always had my doubts about this modern "master".
>Was Jimmy Stewart a "real" actor? :)
>It's a context thing, isn't it?
>And YOU get to make the ultimate decision
>in terms of your context. You can't decide
>for me, nor can I for you.
>Sometimes, I tend to like the notion that "real" art is not a city or
>urban phenomena. After all, Until 1970 or so cities never even
>1% of the planet's space, and though urban areas represent a somewhat
>larger slice of population they've still managed to stay on the lower
>of the population curve in every historical era. Throughout history,
>people never lived in an urban center. Therefore non-urban art
>predominates and the only reason art is believed to be an urban
>is that pretty much all the (authorizing) institutions have been,
>themselves, urban centered phenomena.
>That's a pretty unrealistic perspective despite whatever validity it
>might be able to claim. I still like to pull it out now and again. The
>fact is that the urban artists can claim the lion's share of the
>At the smaller scale then, the question of whether Calder is a 'real'
>artist or for that matter Duchamps or Bueys, Finster or Koons; dosen't
>seem to have a 'real' answer, fun as it may be to argue it out.
>I'd say that Calder was an artist and that play was an excellent
>for art better than un-alloyed formalism at the very least.
>BUT, what makes an artist an artist for you? And which ones top the
>of artists in your book? What's the basis of your aesthetic model?
>Everybody ends up doing formalism eventually but its affectiveness
>makes an artist an artist for me... what affect does the work have and
>Calder inspires playfulness. Top of my list, in no particular order,
>includes Phidias (sculptor), Vermeer, Rothko, The Altamira artists,
>Hasegawa Tohaku, Rembrandt, The sculptor of the Oni of Ife bust, Maria
>San Ildefonso, and Fritz Lang just to make it a short list...
>I'm pretty impressed by the woman (Taymor?) who just did The Lion King
>too. Nice performance work that definately shares a great deal with
>I like instrumentalism but I'm not a big fan of contemporary efforts
>that line which seem to be more politics than art.