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Re: artsednet-digest V2 #322

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Schectman - Riselle (riselles)
Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:39:19 -0400 (EDT)

Reply to Robert Beeching's elitist view.... have you not heard of
freedom of speech? , Why should one person judge the questions, comments,
correspondence and contents of another educator? If one does not agree or
find the information helpful or applicable then delete,skip over or
unsubscribe. I have found art eds net to be informative, insightful, and
sometimes amusing. The tone of Robert Beeching's response seemed
condesending and superior, perhaps that is why ther have been so many
responses to "Generosity Repaid."

Respectfully submitted..........Riselle Schectman art educator
{ riselles.umd5.umd.edu} Balto. Md.
On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 owner-artsednet-digest wrote:

>
> artsednet-digest Sunday, 29 June 1997 Volume 02 : Number 322
>
> This edition includes:
> Re: anamorphic art, optical illusions + Escher + things
> Re: Generosity Repaid!
> [none]
> (no subject)
> re: Generosity Repaid
> Re: Generosity Repaid!
> Re: Generosity Repaid!
> Re: Generosity Repaid!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "John Bibby, QED of York, York, England" <qed>
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:57:23 +0000
> Subject: Re: anamorphic art, optical illusions + Escher + things
>
> Dear ArtsEdNetters
>
> Greetings from York, England!
>
> 1. I have found 15 books (listed below) on optical illusions. The one by
> Keith Kay:
>
> Kay, Keith Take a Closer Look! : Big B Dec 91 o4.50
> 0951347926
>
> is certainly excellent. (Prices in ukp: multiply by two to get US
> price including postage.)
>
> 2. The following is probably the book referred to on Anamorphic art:
>
> ISBN: 0 85964 029 9
> Author 1: Baltrusaitis, Jurgis
> Title: Anamorphic Art.
> Language: Tr. fr. French WJ Strachan
> Physical: sD4.192. 129ill. Cloth
> Publisher: Chadwyck-Healey: Jul 77
> Price: o30.00 ukp (at 08/88)
>
> but I'd also like to recommend "The Magic Cylinder Book" (available
> from us at address below for $6 inc postage): this includes a mirror
> and many activities to produce and de-code anamoprhic art.
>
> 3. We are now preparing a calendar for 1998 which will feature (a)
> Lewis Carroll (b) MC Escher (c) Anamorphic art (in fact, an
> "Anamorphic Alice").ArtsEdNetters
> can order this NOW for $10US including postage (please add $2 is
> airmail is required). You can pay by send US dollar bills or via
> credit card. (Full Money-back guarantee! - but you won't want to
> return it!)
>
>
> On 15 Jun 97 at 13:38, Bunki Kramer wrote:
> > I had a couple of listerv friends mention the book HIDDEN PICTURES
> > which again dwells on the cylinder thingy. On my own I stumbled
> > across, just in the last two weeks, a good book called OPTICAL
> > ILLUSIONS IN ART
> I know there is another book out there called ANAMORPHIC ART by a
> > french author which has been translated to English and costs $75.
> > BARNES & N. said they would order it for me but that I wouldn't be
> > charged for it if I didn't want it and they would put it on their
> > shelf or return it to manufactor. In any case, I ordered it and it
> > hasn't come in yet but I'm curious to see what it has to say.
> >
> > The video MASTERS OF ILLUSION is a super tie-in and
> > lead-up-to-project.
> >
> > I've spend hours and hours at the county library and two local
> > university libraries and everywhere information has been bone-dry on
> > this subject.
>
>
>
>
> Muir, Duncan Optical Illusions Apr 96 o4.50
> 0140376089
> Ogden, Sharon Optical Illusions Quilt Desi May 94 o3.95
> 0486279324
> Sato, Koichi Optical Illusions Coloring B Apr 95 o2.77
> 0486283305
> Optical Illusions Sep 96 o7.99
> 0590191373
> Jennings, Terr 101 Optical Illusions Oct 96 o12.99
> 0750018763 f
> Jennings, Terr 101 Optical Illusions Oct 96 o7.99
> 0750018992 f
> Joyce, Katheri Astounding Optical Illusions Oct 94 o9.99
> 0806904313
> Joyce, Katheri Astounding Optical Illusions Mar 95 o3.99
> 0806904321
> Gibilisco, Sta Optical Illusions: More Para Oct 90 o7.95
> 0830634649
> Gibilisco, Sta Optical Illusions: More Para Oct 90 o14.95
> 0830664645
> Armstrong, Tim Making Moving Patterns: How Dec 82 o4.50
> 090621226X
> Kay, Keith Take a Closer Look! : Big B Dec 91 o4.50
> 0951347926
> Optical Illusions Mar 93 o0.99
> 1855971909
> Hook, Philip Optical Illusions Dec 93 o8.99
> 1858630428
> Paradox Box : Optical Illusi Nov 93 o14.95
> 1870003616
>
>
> "Alice in Escherland": a proposed conference and celebration of Lewis Carroll and MC Escher:
> see the Times Educational Supplement (23/5/97, p. VI)
>
> ===============================================
>
> John Bibby
> QED of York qed
> 1 Straylands Grove
> York YO3 0EB, England Tel/Fax: +44-1904-424381
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Stenger - Judith DiSalvo <jstenger>
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:36:01 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: Generosity Repaid!
>
> wassamattau?
>
> On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Robert Beeching wrote:
>
> > After a month of logging on to the "artsednet" page, I have read genuine
> > registered concerns and suggestions on ART EDUCATION ISSUES, and then there
> > are those entries which would be better served through individual Email
> > correspondence, and not take up valuable space with inconsequential drivel.
> > Personally, I consider it a privelege to be able to exchange ideas with
> > other art educators on pressing issues which affect our proession in
> > general, and not have to wade through what I call "junk" mail which has
> > little if anything to do dirctly with our educational concerns.
> > Education in general, and art education in particular, is in crisis
> > throughout the states. We need solutons for teacher training at the
> > university level, and a scope and sequence approach to the teaching of art
> > "principles" and "elements" at the school site levels of instruction.
> > I seriously doubt that this page was designed for home-spun philosophers
> > and chefs to vent their particular brands of nonsense. If they have such a
> > need, perhaps these individual (who tend to dominate these pages) should
> > consider their own "Web" Page on which to pontificate?
> > Robert Beeching, Producer, Author
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: 2moore (GJM)
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [none]
>
> unsubscribe
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: jlombard (jlombard)
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:48:23 -0400
> Subject: (no subject)
>
> unsubscribe
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: dngart.us (Deborah Gilbert)
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:21:46 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: re: Generosity Repaid
>
> > I seriously doubt that this page was designed for home-spun
> >philosophers
> >and chefs to vent their particular brands of nonsense. If they have such a
> >need, perhaps these individual (who tend to dominate these pages) should
> >consider their own "Web" Page on which to pontificate?
> >Robert Beeching, Producer, Author
>
> I beg to differ with you Robert,
>
> I think some of the philosophical posts on this list are very much at the
> root of artistic creativity. We are not only teachers, but also artists,
> and as such, we appreciate more than just hearing the constant pragmatic
> threads that have to do with the state of art education today. Of course,
> those posts are very helpful in our profession, but the philosophical posts
> are like sweet elixir to our thirsty souls.
>
> Deborah
> Colorado USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: rojul (Rosa Juliusdottir)
> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:10:50 GMT
> Subject: Re: Generosity Repaid!
>
> I too consider it a privilege to exchange ideas with other arteducators.
> But not any less privilege do I find in being able to read the
> philosophical thoughts posted by some of the people on this list. Maybe art
> education would not be in such crisis as you say if more art teachers
> allowed themselves to be also (at least once in awhile) philosophers.
> I think that the variety of discussions that go on on this list make it as
> fine as I think it is and that is both practical and nourishing for the
> soul. Regards from the far north, Rosa
>
> You wrote:
> > After a month of logging on to the "artsednet" page, I have read
> >genuine
> >registered concerns and suggestions on ART EDUCATION ISSUES, and then there
> >are those entries which would be better served through individual Email
> >correspondence, and not take up valuable space with inconsequential drivel.
> > Personally, I consider it a privelege to be able to exchange ideas with
> >other art educators on pressing issues which affect our proession in
> >general, and not have to wade through what I call "junk" mail which has
> >little if anything to do dirctly with our educational concerns.
> > Education in general, and art education in particular, is in crisis
> >throughout the states. We need solutons for teacher training at the
> >university level, and a scope and sequence approach to the teaching of art
> >"principles" and "elements" at the school site levels of instruction.
> > I seriously doubt that this page was designed for home-spun
> >philosophers
> >and chefs to vent their particular brands of nonsense. If they have such a
> >need, perhaps these individual (who tend to dominate these pages) should
> >consider their own "Web" Page on which to pontificate?
> >Robert Beeching, Producer, Author
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Margaret Grosspietsch" <Margaret.M.Grosspietsch-1>
> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 97 10:05:26 -0500
> Subject: Re: Generosity Repaid!
>
> I must join in the dissenting opinions to Robert Beeching's post....
>
> He wrote:
> > After a month of logging on to the "artsednet" page, I have read genuine
> > registered concerns and suggestions on ART EDUCATION ISSUES,
> (...snip...) to be able to exchange ideas with
> > other art educators on pressing issues which affect our proession in
> > general, and not have to wade through what I call "junk" mail which has
> > little if anything to do dirctly with our educational concerns.
>
> One person's "junk" is another person's "treasure" and we'll never reach a
> consensus regarding which is which. Art Educators have more than issues to deal
> with, and some of the light-hearted "junk" is just the remedy for motivation to
> keep plowing forward.
>
> He also wrote:
> > Education in general, and art education in particular, is in crisis
> > throughout the states. We need solutons for teacher training at the
> > university level, and a scope and sequence approach to the teaching of art
> > "principles" and "elements" at the school site levels of instruction.
>
> Yes, better teacher training is one area of concern, but I offer a challenge to
> your statement regarding the "P&E's" -- I happen to think that art is SO MUCH
> MORE than just P&E's. The primary emphasis on P&E's seems to come from a
> formalist aesthetic stance, but not all art and artists share that stance. Not
> to mention art of other cultures... it would be RUDE to cover them from a P&E
> stance. Let's not forget the disciplines of criticism, history and
> aesthetics--making art is only a fourth of the experience and learning many of
> us provide in our art classes. P&Es are a nice starting point, but our
> curriculums should cover more than that. How does one fill 12 years of
> curriculum with just P&Es, anyway? There's so much more content to cover.
>
> Finally he wrote:
> > I seriously doubt that this page was designed for home-spun philosophers
> > and chefs to vent their particular brands of nonsense. (...snip.)
>
> Whoa, there! This listserv WAS designed for the everyday Joe and JoAnne with an
> interest in promoting better art instruction and appreciation in education--the
> page you refer to merely provides us the opportunity. Experts in their fields
> are welcome to join the list, but moreso is the average-person's common sense
> (and/or "nonsense"). So maybe some of us miss the mark from time to time.
> Someone will surely let the person know if they disagree.... I believe others
> will concur that debate/discourse/discussion that allows for a DIVERSITY of
> viewpoints and topics is what this list is all about. Don't confuse the webpage
> (put out by one organization with its own agenda) with this listserv (open to
> all interested--and we all have different agendas, thank goodness).
>
> As for this list and the offerings on it, we all have a delete buttons--we don't
> have to read everything (kinda like a newspaper) and ultimately, we all have the
> choice to unsubscribe if we don't find value in the offerings here. Many (all?)
> of us highly value freedom of speech, and your post has an ugly tone of
> censorship to it that really ruffles my feathers.
>
> MG
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: carla harwitt <charwitt.us>
> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 08:55:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: Generosity Repaid!
>
> Come on, Robert! Lighten up!
> - --Carla in LA
>
> On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Robert Beeching wrote:
>
> > After a month of logging on to the "artsednet" page, I have read genuine
> > registered concerns and suggestions on ART EDUCATION ISSUES, and then there
> > are those entries which would be better served through individual Email
> > correspondence, and not take up valuable space with inconsequential drivel.
> > Personally, I consider it a privelege to be able to exchange ideas with
> > other art educators on pressing issues which affect our proession in
> > general, and not have to wade through what I call "junk" mail which has
> > little if anything to do dirctly with our educational concerns.
> > Education in general, and art education in particular, is in crisis
> > throughout the states. We need solutons for teacher training at the
> > university level, and a scope and sequence approach to the teaching of art
> > "principles" and "elements" at the school site levels of instruction.
> > I seriously doubt that this page was designed for home-spun philosophers
> > and chefs to vent their particular brands of nonsense. If they have such a
> > need, perhaps these individual (who tend to dominate these pages) should
> > consider their own "Web" Page on which to pontificate?
> > Robert Beeching, Producer, Author
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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