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Re: [teacherartexchange] College level/public school dichotomy


From: Diane Gregory (dianegregory2_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Tue Jun 19 2007 - 15:26:19 PDT

Hi Patricia,

Thanks for your wonderful answer! I appreciate it so
very much! I will pass these ideas on to those who
are teaching those classes. I really like the idea of
doing the work for AP art studio/art history.

I also agree with you about the BA art ed vs the BFA
with certification at the Master's level.
Nevertheless, the state of Texas just mandated that
credit hours be reduced to 120 hours. This makes it
almost impossible to offer the traditional BFA you are
talking about. It is discouraging.

Thanks for taking the time to give such a wise,
reflective and insightful answer.


--- Patricia Knott <> wrote:

> On Jun 19, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Diane Gregory wrote:
> >
> > As for me, I would like to do my part by asking
> K-12
> > art teachers the following question: What should
> be
> > taught in the elementary and secondary art methods
> > classes? What kinds of activities should be
> conducted
> > to help future art teachers be better prepared to
> > teach K-12 art? What kinds of reforms should be
> > implemented in K-12 art teacher preparation
> programs?
> Since I'm gong through the interviewing process and
> seeing what I'm
> offered to choose from this is what I have to say.
> I much prefer to see someone who went through a fine
> arts program
> first and then went for the certification through a
> masters program.
> The applicants that I see who only go through art ed
> programs seem to
> have limited skills and little knowledge of art
> history. I see way
> too many portfolios with work that is less
> accomplished than my high
> school students. I think maybe it's time we divided
> the
> certification--- elementary and high school.
> I think DBAE and standards has hurt more than
> helped. What has been
> lost is future teacher understanding of the artistic
> behavior and
> process. I see way way too many of the same old
> lessons rehashed and
> see way too little of fostering critical thinking
> and problem
> solving. I see way too little understanding of why
> artists have made
> certain decisions and how we bring that context to
> our current
> students. I see way too much emphasis on a few
> artists and disregard
> for the deviants. I want to see lessons that
> understand the
> deviation, not an "aping" of the style.
> The standard that I see least regarded is the one
> that says students
> will apply knowledge to inform their own personal
> expression through
> application of symbols and motifs. That is hard
> stuff to teach and
> that is where I think we fail to give the emerging
> teachers the
> experiences and avenues to coney just what artistic
> intent is.
> > What kinds of activities should be conducted
> > to help future art teachers be better prepared to
> > teach K-12 art?
> Put them through the AP Studio Art portfolio
> process. Make them
> develop a Concentration and a Breadth of skills and
> be able to
> verbalize an intention.
> Make them study art history intensely not just
> superficially. We
> have Graduation projects for high school students
> in order to get a
> diploma. I think every art ed student should do an
> intensive study in
> one area that includes research, writing, visuals
> and presentation --
> about some topic in art, not teacher methods.
> Technology is a MUST.
> I guess, I have to say, that what makes me a good
> teacher and what I
> look for in future teachers is curiosity . Where do
> ideas come
> from?????????? and how do you take those little
> notions of ideas kids
> have and turn them into big questions? The
> nurturing of future
> artists is little about techniques and skills--
> that comes after you
> establish that an idea can go far. The best thing
> an art teacher
> can offer is recognizing the need to/ for expression
> and then fitting
> that expression to a technique. Technique is the
> easy part, firing up
> the interest is hard.
> What fired up the great artists? why did they
> make the changes or
> why did they stay true to their passions. This is
> what we need to
> teach ---your passion is most important.
> I'm tired and fed up
> and I don't want to see one more "mimic" lesson.
> I want to see how you ask the questions that make
> them think, because
> we all complain about how they don't think, and it's
> our job to make
> them think.
> Teach your college students how to think and
> question so they
> bring that to ones that need to value the
> significance of artistic
> thinking
> Patty
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Dr. Diane C. Gregory
Associate Professor of Art Education
Director, Undergraduate & Graduate
Studies in Art Education
Department of Visual Arts
Texas Woman's University
Denton, TX 76204

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