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good/bad

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taylorh (taylorh)
Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:25:19 -0700 (MST)


Ben Schasfoort wrote more about Good art-bad art:

(Hi Ben)

>>"That we have less problems with work from old times is because the work
people did not like, has gone. There is also a huge quantity of art in
museumstorage that is never shown? (Could that be bad art?)."

You bet your wooden boots, my friend

>>"The more I hear about ART, the more I become suspicious. I changed my
habit and said to myself: "there is no art, art in itself does not exist."

Hey, It works! So does the abhored alternative: EVERYTHING IS ART, One
just needs to learn to see. This perspective accomodates all the
"cats-let-out-of-the-bag" and the "horses-out-of-the-barn" which aren't
going to be put back.

>>"I will agree with everyone who states that visual images can be used
for
communication."

Me too! But, I'll agree with the interior decorators too.

>>"That brings teachers at two problems.
1 How can I learn my students to read what is the message in that visual
object (if I can read it myself)?
2 How can I train my students to use visual images as communication tools
in way that they really work?"

The problem I ended up with in using communication as a primary operator
in art was rhetoric. A good rhetoritician, from the old greeks onward, can
basically get anything to mean whatever.... meaning loses value then. It
doesn't destroy
communication in art, but it does get me looking at communication on other
ways than in simple messages which could be oput into words or explained.

I like the memetic notion of communication (BTW this is NOT related to
"mimesis") the idea that somethings like jokes, behaviors, beliefs, values
can be communicated not simply as "messages" but as viruses. We tend to
think of a virus as a pathogen, some deadly germ... most viruses effect us
hardly at all and some offer us another way of moving DNA around outside
of the usual reproductive processes.

Memes are like viruses that move cultural analogs of DNA around,
communicate them if you will. They would allow the artist to use culture,
society as an inherently collaborative medium.

The old world of marketing/advertising survives in its belief that art
communicates intelligible messages. And it succeeds because it, in fact...
and to a degree, does. Look at yourself Ben. Know that advertising
communicates to you and persuades you. Ask yourself WHERE it is most
effective in doing this in your life. Is it any more effective than
expository prose? I'd say not. I'd say (advertising) art is best in
establishing associations and in validating "realities" and lifestyles
along the way.

>>"(By no means I will say that this is the only object in art education,
but
if I have to do one thing ....)"

I get it. Good goal. I'm still trying to decide what I'm going to do if I
grow up.

(Who invented the word ART should be punished.)

I'll salute that!

-henry