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From: carl toonz (carltoonz_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Wed Jul 04 2007 - 05:40:18 PDT


I was just hired to teach art in a coastal South Carolina school district.
It is about one hour from hilton head, charleston, savannah. Does anyone
live down here or teach around the area? What can you warn me about etc.,? I
am looking forward to returning to carolinas, as we lived in NC a couple of
years ago, then moved to TN, which we hated. Thanks! carltoonz

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>TEACHERARTEXCHANGE Digest for Tuesday, July 03, 2007.
>
>1. Re: Materials for a Sculpture
>2. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>3. sculpture
>4. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>5. Re: Materials for a Sculpture
>6. Going to be gone for a few days? Edit your settings
>7. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>8. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>9. RE: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>10. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>11. supreme court ruling - race
>12. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>13. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>14. art history research
>15. Re: supreme court ruling - race
>16. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>17. Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>18. Re:Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>19. Re: Re:Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
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>
>Subject: Re: Materials for a Sculpture
>From: holland.su@gmail.com
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:04:35 -0500
>X-Message-Number: 1
>
>What about those wire/ nylon hose/ glue sculptures?
>http://www.princetonol.com/groups/iad/lessons/middle/middle23.html
>
>
>On 7/2/07, Pamela Atkinson wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > I want my students to create a painted sculpture. I don't want to use
>clay because it seems too heavy; I want the end product to be light. Paper
>Mache will take too long. Does anyone have any ideas?
> > This list is a wonderful source of ideas and inspiration for me.
> > Thank you all.
> > Pam
> >
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>From: "Judy Decker" <judy.decker@gmail.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:48:01 -0400
>X-Message-Number: 2
>
>Greetings Jane,
>
>I agree with San D on this topic.
>
> >>In my town they do not want anything that is drug or sex
>related, or violent in nature.
>
>I was going to write more, but San D said it so well.
>
>In my school, nothing could be gang related either.
>
>Judy
>
>On 7/2/07, Jane wrote:
> > Last week the Supreme Courts handed down a decision that likely will
> > have an impact on freedom of speech for students (and teachers).
> >
> > The so-called "Bong hits for Jesus" (Plenty on Google about this)
> > gives principals the right to restrict and punish students whose
> > expression might encourage drug use.
> >
> > Now that sounds pretty specific, but the ruling opens the door to
> > restrict student expression in other areas.
> >
> > Pennsylvania ACLU legal director, Vik Walczak, suggests this is the
> > thin end of the wedge to keeping a lid on student expression that
> > can be described as disruptive to a school's education mission.
> >
> > As free expression in art education is the subject and substance of
> > my doctoral research and writing, I would appreciate hearing from
> > members of the listserv who have experience with freedom of
> > expression, censorship, self censorship and other pertinent topics
> > to this issue. What do you think of the Supreme Court ruling?
> >
> > A lot of Getty list members participated in my surveys, especially
> > one if 20 questions length from 2001. Results of that survey showed
> > that teachers who participated were concerned about free expression,
> > worried about how far the students and they could go with topics of
> > a controversial or sensitive nature. That was before 911, the war
> > on terror, the patriot act, NCLB, all of which limit what it is ok
> > express!
> >
> > It would be great to hear from you.
> > Jane Beckwith in Brooklyn.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: sculpture
>From: "Foell, Marlyn@RHS" <FoellM@brevard.k12.fl.us>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:07:43 -0400
>X-Message-Number: 3
>
>Hi all:
>
>
>Have you ever used celluclay? It's an instant paper mache that gets very
>hard almost overnight. Pricey, though.
>
>I make a knockoff of my own by using finely shredded paper mixed with
>wallpaper paste and some Elmer's. The shred is almost like
>confetti--comes
>from the local Air Force base's shred machine which does it so finely it
>absolutely can't be reconstructed.
>
> You can also use regularly shredded paper (I let it soak in either water
>or
>wallpaper paste overnight), but finer is quicker. We can put a 1/2in thick
>layer on and have it dry overnight, usually with fans...and it's equal to
>multi-layers of papier mache. It gets very sturdy very fast and you can
>mold and sculpt features and texture with it.
>
>The kids get a ziploc and make their own by mixing the materials right in
>the bag. Mush mush mush to get it all mixed to a grey color and no visible
>paper pieces. We keep it in the fridge to keep it fresher and add a little
>more paste to reconstitute the mixture the next day.
>
>
>Can post more details as requested.
>Marlyn
>
>
>Due to Florida's broad public records law, most written communications to
>or
>from government employees regarding public education are public records.
>Therefore, this e-mail communication may be subject to public disclosure.
>
>
>
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>
>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>From: wendy free <wendypaigefree@yahoo.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:14:10 -0700 (PDT)
>X-Message-Number: 4
>
>I'm fortunate to live in a liberal university town and
>have usually reasonable students... Am MUCH more
>concerned about the "racial diversity" ruling, aka
>pro-segregation. Schools are ALREADY terribly
>segregated - this decision endorses that and more.
>The differences between a mostly white, mostly
>minority, and diverse school in my community are
>staggering. I have extensive teaching experiences in
>all three. I, students, colleagues, administrators,
>parents - all thrive in the diverse setting and suffer
>otherwise. Is anyone else reeling from this decision?
>
> wendy
>www.wendypaigefree.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: Re: Materials for a Sculpture
>From: Marvin Bartel <marvinpb@goshen.edu>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:25:22 -0400
>X-Message-Number: 5
>
> >Hello Everyone,
> >I want my students to create a painted sculpture. I don't want to use
>clay because it seems too heavy; I want the end product to be light. Paper
>Mache will take too long. Does anyone have any ideas?
> >This list is a wonderful source of ideas and inspiration for me.?
> >Thank you all.
> >Pam
>
>SCULPTURE CONCEPTS
>For a different approach to sculpture, I suggest doing a search for a used
>copy of The DESIGN CONTINUUM by Kranz and Fisher. They organize the visual
>world on the basis of materialization of and demineralization of form. It
>begins with flat surface and moves in stages to monolithic mass and then on
>to three-dimensional linear form dematerialized into open space. They
>illustrate progressive categories with famous artwork, with everyday
>objects, and with student interpretations of each stage. This reference
>can be helpful for a teacher to read the minds of artists in order to come
>up with warm ups, practice activities, idea searches, experiments,
>discovery activities, and invention challenges. Students can find their
>own way without seeing the book. Students can learn how to learn how to be
>sculptors.
>
>MATERIALS TO USE
>Coating light weight sculpture with wall texture medium from a building
>supply store before adding color will make it possible to use virtually
>anything including paper, cardboard, sticks, wire, wood scraps, Styrofoam,
>and foam board. Assembly can be done with tape, glue, pegs, nails, screws,
>string, wire, and/or plaster with mesh strips.
>
>Marvin
>-----------------------------------
>Recently added a 10th Creativity Killer
># 10. I Kill Creativity if I allow students to copy other artists rather
>than learning to read their minds.
>http://www.goshen.edu/art/ed/creativitykillers.html
>(It looks at the apprentice system of becoming creatively artistic)
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: Going to be gone for a few days? Edit your settings
>From: "Judy Decker" <judy.decker@gmail.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:34:15 -0400
>X-Message-Number: 6
>
>Greetings TeacherArtExchange Members,
>
>I have received many "auto replies" this summer after I post. Folks
>telling me they are out of the office for a few days.....
>
>Rather than send us auto replies each time we post, change your list
>settings to receive the digest - or go on no mail while you are away.
>I recommend digest so you can still see the conversations. Your auto
>reply to the digest will not post as they have a Lyris command to
>block those.
>
>Got to:
>http://www.getty.edu/education/teacherartexchange/login.html
>enter your email address and password.
>
>When you return, you can switch back to individual posts.
>
>Regards,
>
>Judy Decker
>
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>
>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>From: "Dulcius" <dulcius@mailnew.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:37:12 -0400
>X-Message-Number: 7
>
>Wendy,
>I know I'm also appalled by this ruling! To anyone else concerned, I
>highly
>recommend Kozol's newest book, "Shame of the Nation" which addresses
>re-segregation in America.
>-Lydia in Toledo
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "wendy free" <wendypaigefree@yahoo.com>
>To: "TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group"
><teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [teacherartexchange] Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>
>
> > I'm fortunate to live in a liberal university town and
> > have usually reasonable students... Am MUCH more
> > concerned about the "racial diversity" ruling, aka
> > pro-segregation. Schools are ALREADY terribly
> > segregated - this decision endorses that and more.
> > The differences between a mostly white, mostly
> > minority, and diverse school in my community are
> > staggering. I have extensive teaching experiences in
> > all three. I, students, colleagues, administrators,
> > parents - all thrive in the diverse setting and suffer
> > otherwise. Is anyone else reeling from this decision?
> >
> > wendy
> > www.wendypaigefree.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > To unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.getty.edu/education/teacherartexchange/unsubscribe.html
> >
>
>
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>
>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>From: Mikel Lee <mikellee31@yahoo.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
>X-Message-Number: 8
>
>I am not familiar with this case. Could you tell us
>more or give us a link to follow. - Mikel
>
>--- wendy free <wendypaigefree@> wrote:
>
> Am MUCH more
> > concerned about the "racial diversity" ruling, aka
> > pro-segregation..... Is anyone else reeling from
>this
> > decision?
> >
> > wendy
>
>
>
>
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>Subject: RE: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>From: "KPRS2" <kprs2@earthlink.net>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:05:23 -0400
>X-Message-Number: 9
>
>This was the recent ruling, as I understand it, that said that two specific
>communities could not be compelled to bus students to achieve racial
>diversity in their schools.
>
>San D
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mikel Lee [mailto:mikellee31@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:42 AM
>To: TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group
>Subject: Re: [teacherartexchange] Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>RACE
>
>
>I am not familiar with this case. Could you tell us
>more or give us a link to follow. - Mikel
>
>--- wendy free <wendypaigefree@> wrote:
>
> Am MUCH more
> > concerned about the "racial diversity" ruling, aka
> > pro-segregation..... Is anyone else reeling from
>this
> > decision?
> >
> > wendy
>
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>From: "M. Austin" <whest177@wheatstate.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:08:07 -0500
>X-Message-Number: 10
>
>I agree as well - for the most part. With 98% of my students, they don't
>have the maturity to be truly making a personal statement. Mostly, they are
>regurgitating what their peers think, what they see on TV, what they hear
>in
>their music. So my rule is - if they can't wear it on a t-shirt to school,
>they can't create it in class, using tax dollar supplies. For the 2% that
>are mature enough to be really "into art" and are going to have a career
>that is art based, I allow them to make their own decision. I tell them
>that
>if they truely want to do something that they must be willing to fight for
>it, to stand in front of the school board and the newspapers to defend it,
>and that I will stand alongside them. I have never had a student feel it
>was
>worthy of going to that much hassel. Oh, and if it is illegal (like clay
>bongs or pipes, or just flat out "not art" like ashtrays, or sexual) I tell
>them that "for some reason I have had one of those make it clear through a
>firing". They tend to get dropped in the trash can on the way to the kiln.
>Ooops!
>~Michal
>3-12 Kansas Art Teacher
>HS Digital Communications
>Technology Integration Specialist
>http://www.geocities.com/theartkids
>http://spotlight.digication.com/maustin
>
>
>
>
> >>>In my town they do not want anything that is drug or sex
> > related, or violent in nature.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: supreme court ruling - race
>From: wendy free <wendypaigefree@yahoo.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT)
>X-Message-Number: 11
>
>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11598422
>
>I agree kids should not be force-bussed hours from
>home, BUT this is a much bigger issue. I also believe
>it is morally wrong to have racially segregated
>schools. Its not something there is a quick, simple
>solution for. I am very upset with what I view as a
>huge step backward. Remember, Brown was in 1954, not
>that long ago, and the intended "benefits" of that
>decision NEVER made it to many places. And now?
>
> wendy
>www.wendypaigefree.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>From: "Dulcius" <dulcius@mailnew.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:16:20 -0400
>X-Message-Number: 12
>
>I don't believe that the two districts were "compelling" anyone to be
>bussed
>anywhere. My understanding is, students within the district were allowed
>to
>rank the schools they could attend in order of preference, and then if a
>particular school was going to be less than 15% or more than 70% (or
>something in that vicinity) minority, a decision could be made based on
>race
>to keep diversity at all the schools. Apparantly it was supported heavily
>by students, parents, and school staff of all racial backgrounds.
>-Lydia in Toledo
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "KPRS2" <kprs2@earthlink.net>
>To: "TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group"
><teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:05 AM
>Subject: RE: [teacherartexchange] Responses re Supreme Court Ruling? RACE
>
>
> > This was the recent ruling, as I understand it, that said that two
> > specific
> > communities could not be compelled to bus students to achieve racial
> > diversity in their schools.
> >
> > San D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mikel Lee [mailto:mikellee31@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:42 AM
> > To: TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group
> > Subject: Re: [teacherartexchange] Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
> > RACE
> >
> >
> > I am not familiar with this case. Could you tell us
> > more or give us a link to follow. - Mikel
> >
> > --- wendy free <wendypaigefree@> wrote:
> >
> > Am MUCH more
> >> concerned about the "racial diversity" ruling, aka
> >> pro-segregation..... Is anyone else reeling from
> > this
> >> decision?
> >>
> >> wendy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>From: Aartteachr@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:24:25 EDT
>X-Message-Number: 13
>
>
>San D has expressed this so well. We, as Educators, want to encourage free
>expression but not at the cost of that which counter-productive to a
>society
>that does not want or support drug abuse or crime. Young minds absorb
>much,
>very easily, as if it is the norm when it is not. Let's encourage positive
>expression.
>
>Do we want to live in a crime-ridden society? No!!! A million times, NO!
>Neither do their parents.
>"Free expression" doesn't mean NO boundaries. At times, although rarely,
>we
>need to draw lines somewhere even if it is in our classroom.
>Marsh
>
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at
>http://www.aol.com.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: art history research
>From: Rosemary Grala <rgrala@yahoo.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
>X-Message-Number: 14
>
>Would any art teacher of sixth graders be interested
>in an email exchange or some other communication
>exchange between my sixth graders and theirs for an
>art history research paper? The exchange would just be
>a summary of their research findings.
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: supreme court ruling - race
>From: Mikel Lee <mikellee31@yahoo.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
>X-Message-Number: 15
>
>Thank you for the information. I am always surprised
>to hear that in this day and age there are still very
>strong enemies of diversity. What is sad is that they
>can use things like affirmative action to put bad
>tastes in peoples mouths and give footholds to
>backwards thinking.
>
>Warm regards,
>mikel
>--- wendy free <wendypaigefree@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11598422
> >
> > I agree kids should not be force-bussed hours from
> > home, BUT this is a much bigger issue. I also
> > believe
> > it is morally wrong to have racially segregated
> > schools. Its not something there is a quick, simple
> > solution for. I am very upset with what I view as a
> > huge step backward. Remember, Brown was in 1954,
> > not
> > that long ago, and the intended "benefits" of that
> > decision NEVER made it to many places. And now?
> >
> > wendy
> > www.wendypaigefree.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > To unsubscribe go to
> >
>http://www.getty.edu/education/teacherartexchange/unsubscribe.html
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>From: "leah rachlis" <leah@pcisys.net>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:20:43 -0600
>X-Message-Number: 16
>
>We had an issue with this in our homophobic little town, where a High
>School
>painting was rejected from the city wide art show for content - it showed a
>football player, looking especially effeminate (read: GAY) leaning on the
>bumper of a car with a rainbow decal... the artist wanted to address
>stereotypes - and the school district said fine, but not in out art
>show...
>
>Our district restrict anything with drug, alcohol or gang related logos to
>be displayed (specifically on clothing) so I tend to restrict it in my
>classroom, but I address it from an different angle in that if it is a
>logo,
>or insignia I consider it to be someone else's art work, and should not be
>used in our own (always teaching about copyright)... But I have struggled
>with the ever present mushroom.
>
>With secondary students I really struggle with censorship issues, students
>needs to know they are free to express themselves - but they also must
>learn
>that there expression can and often will incite reaction.
>
>Of course now, the Government is doing what it fears we will not do for
>ourselves - Didn't a number of our forefathers rebel to assure these rights
>for us? or is it really all just about fireworks and hot dogs?
>
> - Leah
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <ejb35@columbia.edu>
>Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM
>Subject: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>
>
> > Last week the Supreme Courts handed down a decision that likely will
> > have an impact on freedom of speech for students (and teachers).
> >
> > The so-called "Bong hits for Jesus" (Plenty on Google about this)
> > gives principals the right to restrict and punish students whose
> > expression might encourage drug use.
> >
> > Now that sounds pretty specific, but the ruling opens the door to
> > restrict student expression in other areas.
> >
> > Pennsylvania ACLU legal director, Vik Walczak, suggests this is the
> > thin end of the wedge to keeping a lid on student expression that
> > can be described as disruptive to a school's education mission.
> >
> > As free expression in art education is the subject and substance of
> > my doctoral research and writing, I would appreciate hearing from
> > members of the listserv who have experience with freedom of
> > expression, censorship, self censorship and other pertinent topics
> > to this issue. What do you think of the Supreme Court ruling?
> >
> > A lot of Getty list members participated in my surveys, especially
> > one if 20 questions length from 2001. Results of that survey showed
> > that teachers who participated were concerned about free expression,
> > worried about how far the students and they could go with topics of
> > a controversial or sensitive nature. That was before 911, the war
> > on terror, the patriot act, NCLB, all of which limit what it is ok
> > express!
> >
> > It would be great to hear from you.
> > Jane Beckwith in Brooklyn.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Subject: Re: Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>From: Patricia Knott <pknott@enter.net>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:02:35 -0400
>X-Message-Number: 17
>
>
>On Jul 2, 2007, at 8:40 PM, ejb35@columbia.edu wrote:
>
> > Last week the Supreme Courts handed down a decision that likely will
> > have an impact on freedom of speech for students (and teachers).
> >
> > As free expression in art education is the subject and substance of
> > my doctoral research and writing, I would appreciate hearing from
> > members of the listserv who have experience with freedom of
> > expression, censorship, self censorship and other pertinent topics
> > to this issue. What do you think of the Supreme Court ruling?
>
>
>Any time the Supreme Court rules on freedom of speech I get more
>than a bit nervous. If you read the details of this case, it's more
>than peculiar. You will also find that the ACLU and Pat Robertson
>are on the same side!!!!!!!
>
>I guess what I always have to think about is what is "too" offensive?
>what is "too" inappropriate? and how do we maintain the best
>perspective when guiding teenagers through what teenagers do best-
>question and rebel.
>Avoiding the issues does nothing to help them say what they so want
>to say. Teaching them to say it with conviction and belief and be
>able to face the consequences is what they need to learn. A
>majority of the time , the teenager will back down when he/she knows
>some commitment and willing to fight for is involved. Many of us
>whine and complain about the lack of conviction our young people
>have. I think they don't, because they only know they come against
>road blocks they have never been taught to find their way around.
>They spend hours upon hours in classrooms being instructed on how to
>get the "right" answer. So maybe, when they try to express some
>opinion, it comes off as immature because that's where they are in
>the problem solving process.
>
>I must say I have major problems with depictions of drugs and such.
>Maybe the solution is to question and delve on why they feel the need
>to anesthetize themselves so much. ??? Maybe if we get to what they
>are really feeling about and how they feel about, then maybe
>directing the art expression will help them understand that the
>"mark" they make has an impact much more effectiver than some silly
>show like what started this whole court case.
>
>
>On this eve of our celebration of rights and freedoms
>before this day when we cherish what it is to be American
>let's not forget that 1st Amendment and how fragile it can be in the
>hands of the wrong minds.
>
>
>Happy 4th to you all
>
>Patty
>
>
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>
>Subject: Re:Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>From: Betty B <bettycarol_40@sbcglobal.net>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:55:44 -0700 (PDT)
>X-Message-Number: 18
>
>yes, the ever present mushroom, and I'm an expert now
>on the latest aryan nation insignia. It is almost
>amusing how surprised they are that I know what they
>are drawing. Sadly, they learn it from their male
>relatives in prison.
>
>As for experiencing censorship, I was called in last
>year for allowing my students to willy nilly look at
>what used to be considered middle-school-appropriate
>art history books. "All those naked pictures". My
>boyfriend was not only called in but observed and had
>his materials reviewed for showing Rick Steves' video
>"The best of Italy" as part of his European unit
>(geography teacher).
>
>I have removed all National Geographic magazines from
>my classroom and no longer use them for collages, it
>is just such a problem, I am so tired of kids trying
>to be helpful and quietly bringing me a picture of
>indigenous nudity and telling me they don't want me to
>"get in trouble".
>
>But then again, we now have kids telling the Science
>teacher that he's teaching them (in the eyes of
>Biblical literalists) lies and that plate tectonics is
>just made up - what is happening to this culture???
>
>Betty C Bowen
>printmaker, painter
>art educator
>Cushing Oklahoma
>bettycarol_40@sbcglobal.net
>http://www.bettybowenart.com
>http://bettycbowen.blogspot.com/
>
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>
>Subject: Re: Re:Responses re Supreme Court Ruling?
>From: "M. Austin" <whest177@wheatstate.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:21:50 -0500
>X-Message-Number: 19
>
>Wow! Am I glad I don't have those challenges! I censor my elementary
>classes, but I expect my middle/high school classes to act responsibly with
>the books & magazines. I tell them the minute they point, laugh, share with
>their friends, that they have turned the nudity into porn. They then lose
>the right to look at the art books, magazines are along the lines of "field
>& stream" or "woman's world", and no internet. If they want to draw
>mushrooms (but they're vegetables, honest!) then they have to draw a potato
>with it. (I have alot of strange rules! *L*)
>~Michal
>3-12 Kansas Art Teacher
>HS Digital Communications
>Technology Integration Specialist
>http://www.geocities.com/theartkids
>http://spotlight.digication.com/maustin
>
>
> > As for experiencing censorship, I was called in last
> > year for allowing my students to willy nilly look at
> > what used to be considered middle-school-appropriate
> > art history books. "All those naked pictures". My
> > boyfriend was not only called in but observed and had
> > his materials reviewed for showing Rick Steves' video
> > "The best of Italy" as part of his European unit
> > (geography teacher).
> >
> > I have removed all National Geographic magazines from
> > my classroom and no longer use them for collages, it
> > is just such a problem, I am so tired of kids trying
> > to be helpful and quietly bringing me a picture of
> > indigenous nudity and telling me they don't want me to
> > "get in trouble".
>
>
>
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