With a group like that, (and yes we have all had them), you have to find a
consequence that matters to them.
Loss of recess, afterschool detention, phone calls home to parents.
You have not said what consequences you have in place for those who break
Invite parents in to visit on a daily basis.
How does their classroom teacher get anything done ?? What system does
he/she have in place for this group??
Does their behavior in your class , carry over to their regular classroom,
or do they behave differently for you ?
Do the consequences for their behavior impact them outside of your room,
loss of field trips, special parties , extra computer time etc.???
You might have to be tough ALL YEAR with this group. Have them slowly earn
back the freedoms that the other groups enjoy, like getting out of their
seat to get supplies, talking during work time,. It will be more work for
you to give out supplies etc. and not let them get up from their seats, but
it will be better in the long run.
Fun projects with the OTHER groups that can handle the freedom , peer envy
often works wonders with groups like this.
If they see other 4th graders doing something different, they might come
Hope this helps,
Christine Besack :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "C Kerch" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: "TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group"
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:40 AM
Subject: [teacherartexchange] When is it time to be "Mrs. Not Nice"
> Here's a question for my fellow art teachers. I've just been told that I
> need to stop being so nice to my students and that I need to be stricter.
> The "suggestion" comes on the heels of my awful year with my 5th graders.
> This class was the largest I've had for Art and the most disruptive. I
> tried every strategy in the book to get these guys under control and for a
> while each technique would work or last for approximately a week before
> became disruptive again. I've drawn out contracts, flashed the lights,
> blown the whistle, clapped my hands, held my hand up with my index finger
> my mouth, wrote A R T on the board and erased it for each disruption,
> behavior conduct slips, had the VP come to my room to monitor then
> the kids, and I've put students in time out or penalty box. Nothing
> with these guys... seriously, nothing. All my other classes were perfect
> and discipline problems were nil but this 5th grade class was horrible and
> was warned by the 4th Grade teachers who had them last year that they were
> bad group of kids. So, now I'm being forewarned that I may have some of
> these little troublemakers back for art this fall as 6th graders and that
> need to set the LAW DOWN the first day followed by constantly writing
> kids up and above all, I'm told to stop being sooo nice. So, exactly when
> is it time to be Mrs. Not Nice and when do I go back to my usual self?
> tried being the mean it doesn't work for these guys because they know that
> after a few weeks of being good I'll be nice again.
> I love all the posts on discipline and how to handle disruptive behavior
> what do you do when it's an entire class of 25 students?
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