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From: artappeal (artappeal_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Wed Jul 18 2001 - 14:39:18 PDT


I teach a lesson (during the first project that involves glue) in k-5, every
year (gets less involved in the upper grades) about how the Elmer's glue
bottle works. I pull off the lid, show them the white plastic apparatus in
the middle that clogs the hole (which, btw, I think should be a different
color besides glue white, so the kids don't try to pick it out). I show them
how to unclog the lid, and that I should NEVER see them stick anything in
the hole or bite the hole, how changing the size of the hole ruins the whole
thing. They seem to get it, and the glue lid lasts at least the year.

Leah

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Whoa Liz, who am I to knock an "in charge" person of a workshop( please realize
I am joking around). Well, it is interesting , but I think I will stick with b,
r and y.
maryB
menichino wrote:
> Mary--
> I had just gone to a workshop put on by the State of New York Education
> Department.  The person "in charge" of the visual arts stuff for our state
> was presenting the information -- mostly relating to the upcoming New York
> State Art Assessment (yes, a written, 2-hour test)
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Art teachers and standards and experts (they just don't go together)
menichino wrote:
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> Mary--
> I had just gone to a workshop put on by the State of New York Education
> Department.  The person "in charge" of the visual arts stuff for our state
> was presenting the information -- mostly relating to the upcoming New York
> State Art Assessment (yes, a written, 2-hour test) that will be taken in all
> Studio in Art courses in High School.  In passing he mentioned magenta,
> cyan, and yellow being primary colors.  During our lunch break I asked him
> specifically about why they were the "new" primaries.  He said it goes back
> to Monet's time, and that kids should be taught the correct way.  He said if
> I was teaching that red, yellow, and blue are primaries, then I am teaching
> the wrong thing.  And he left no leeway for differing opinions on this!  So,
> then feeling all guilty and ignorant, I turn to my artsednet pals for advice
> and reassurance.  Thanks, guys, you're great!
> Liz in rural NY
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               click on http://www.taospaint.com/Season2000.html        
     
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Where did you get this information from? I could just imagine me telling my 
kindergartners that red is now magenta and blue is cyan!  I've never even 
heard of that color name.  I'll still keep referring them to the old 
fashioned names. AFter all, these kids have to live in the real world, not 
the art world. Janet
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I guess rules are good, I just wish I knew them before I broke them.
I'd still break them, thats why we have rules.  Lyris (Getty Server)
told me that I can't send the same message twice, so this was
bounced back to me.  I'd thought I sent it, but wasn't sure so I tried
to resend it.  Lyris says I must change the first line or it won't
deliver it.
It's an old argument that was settled 100 years ago as to using
RYB in art education in the USA.  I don't know what the newest
authority might be to change back to MCY.  At the elementary
level I'd stick with a basic system like RYB, but using MCY would
work as well.  It just might put them in conflict with other teaching
later.  Conflict is good, I have it with every science teacher my kids 
have.  Artists teach art, anyone who is assigned teaches science.
I try to get it into my students head that there are several color
theories, depending on the materials used, and some conflicts arise.
RBG primaries for light (computers and televisions, mixing light) and
RYB primaries for pigments (mixing paints) like in art class, or
MCY primaries for color photography (subtractive) as in the darkroom
or in commercial color printing.
Using MCY for pigment primaries works and it creates some 
nice variations on secondary colors.  What's most important is to 
open the students minds and make them inquisitive.  Let them
understand that's it's just a theory and we live in a world of
practice.  I'm sure this is like mixing complements, it sure
muddies up things. But it creates such rich vibrant mud.
That's why I don't buy brown paint.
                                Creating Mud in KC, Woody
menichino wrote:
> Hi all --
> I've recently had it brought to my attention that the current accepted
> primary colors are magenta, cyan, and yellow.  I teach elementary art and
> I'm wondering if I really need to point out that fact or if I should
> continue referring to the primary colors the way I always have -- red,
> yellow, and blue!
> Anyone have an opinion?
> Thanks --
> Liz in rural NY
-- 
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  This E-mail message is from Artist/Teacher Woody Duncan
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     the new URL for school is http://kancrn.kckps.k12.ks.us/rosedale
to see the newest photos of my beautiful grandkids Tim, Tess and Tiff 
               click on http://www.taospaint.com/Season2000.html        
     
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to see Rosedale's best go to http://www.taospaint.com/AdobeLesson.html
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Yani  as in Wang Yani, child prodigy painter
					Woody in KC
christine kotarsky wrote:
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> Does anyone know of artists or a artist that has the last name
> beginning with Q, one with X, and one with Y.  First names are welcome
> also. Thanks for your help. Christine
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     the new URL for school is http://kancrn.kckps.k12.ks.us/rosedale
to see the newest photos of my beautiful grandkids Tim, Tess and Tiff 
               click on http://www.taospaint.com/Season2000.html        
     
to see a virtual field trip of KC go to http://taospaint.com/VirtualTour.html
to see Rosedale's best go to http://www.taospaint.com/AdobeLesson.html
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Subject: my 2 cents on Primary Colors
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From: "Susan Holland" <Susan_Holland@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu>
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I remember learning about color mixing with tempera paint as a child.  Red,
blue and yellow were the primary colors from which we were supposed to be able
to get orange, green, and purple-- and what I remember most was being
frustrated and annoyed that I could never get a good orange, that green was
never bright, and that purple was impossible.  I wish I had had an art teacher
who could have told me that the red we were thinking was just red was actually
not primary- that it had a bunch of blue and in it and so it would knock down
the intensity of the orange I was trying to make, and at the same time had
enough yellow to kill my purple.  Or that the blue I though was true blue had
enough red in it to neutralize the green I wanted.   Maybe that would have been
way over my head when I was a grade schooler-- but I sure would have gotten
more satisfying results with  magenta, turquoise and yellow as my starting
colors.
 
Susan Holland 
Visual Art Studies
University of Texas at Austin
susan_holland@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu
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from: Bunki Kramer (bkramer@srvusd.k12.ca.us)
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HI, everyone. Jill from New Zealand is coming for a nice visit to our US.
She plans to visit LA and attend the NAEA in NYC in March. She teaches in an
Intermediate School...11-13 year olds in Auckland, New Zealand. Jill would
love to visit some intermediate school sites hopefully in LA, California and
New York. I know several of you who would be great hosts who live in these
areas. Would anyone here like to talk with Jill and possibly be a host for a
visit to your school site? If you want to get in touch with her directly,
e-mail to her address.......Jill Hodgins at....
 http://www.HDD@xtra.co.nz
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HI, everyone. Jill from New Zealand is coming for a nice visit to our US. S=
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You can use 4 posts to hold up 2 half-shelves. Each side uses half the post
to sit on.
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                            like this.
-Numo
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Studio One Art Center
Oakland CA
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Subject: Re: Sacred Circles course
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from: Bunki Kramer (bkramer@srvusd.k12.ca.us)
Los Cerros Middle School
968 Blemer Road
Danville, CA 94526
http://ww2.lcms.srvusd.k12.ca.us/faculty/faculty.html
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Our 2-week, 4 hour per day course called "Sacred Circles" is up and running,
and the kids are really enjoying it!  For those of you who missed all my
posts a month or so ago when I was trying to plan this, it's a course in
which students are exploring the symbolism and significance of circular
artwork in various cultures and religions, in addition to creating their own
artwork.
<http://www.bigfoot.com/~artrageous/SacredCircles.html>
***********************
Sharon...thank you for an excellent trip through your "Sacred Circles"
website. I found it facinating and can't wait to see the book you
discussed...Mandala' Luminous Symbols for Healing.
Are the exercises with the hands found in this book? I'm really interested
in these.
Great job...as always! Toodles.........
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from: Bunki Kramer (bkramer@srvusd.k12.ca.us)<BR>
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968 Blemer Road<BR>
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http://ww2.lcms.srvusd.k12.ca.us/faculty/faculty.html <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Our 2-week, 4 hour per day co=
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Sharon...thank you for an excellent trip through your &quot;Sacred Circles&=
quot; website. I found it facinating and can't wait to see the book you disc=
ussed...<U>Mandala' Luminous Symbols for Healing.<BR>
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Carol, 
Yes, just one period.
cindy
PS.  Before you do this project start saving almost all your "trash" such as
egg cartons, small boxes, scraps of other textiles, pieces of foam or
cardboard, packing materials, the list goes on and on.  You will be
surprised what they can think of.   Of save all 2D stuff such as I mentioned
before if that is your preference.  You could also do a great intro using
some artists who make "recyled art".  I don't have any names on the tip of
my tongue but others in this list probably do.  Explain to the students the
benefit of using our "trash" to make beautiful or interesting creations.
Older students could discuss "what is art?"  or "does art have to be
realistic?"  Sorry so long-you got my brain going this morning(always a good
way to start the day!)
When I did this before, I used a glue gun and had a parent volunteer come in
to man the glue gun station.
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I hope someone can help me - I am having a short term memory (hopefully) =
problem regarding what to use to lift a photocopied image to create a =
print.  Any ideas?
Gina
Melbourne
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In a message dated 10/31/00 8:06:56 AM, dmortl@hotmail.com writes:
<< I know printing b/w photos thru photoshop on photo type printing papre 
look 
good, but are there any DIGITAL cameras that let you control depth of field, 
etc?  Or are the students just shooting with digital cameras and not even 
taking exposure into consideration?  What is the challenge in that?  How 
would a digital class measure up to a traditional class? >>
I have a Panasonic digital camera that allows me to control the aperture and 
shutter speed.  If you want to spend more money you can have it all. Not all 
digital cameras are like the little point and shoot variety, which can be 
found in the traditional format also. And my students will tell you that they 
have to be just as careful of lighting problems with the digital as with the 
traditional camera. As for the software. There is a LOT more to PhotoShop 
than just printing the pictures. Many things that take hours in the 
traditional darkroom take very little time digitally. If you teach and 
require good composition then the students shoot good pictures with a digital 
camera also. Students who don't work to the standards are not going to do so 
no matter what the equipment. As for the digital class measuring up to the 
tradtional class, that would be up to the teacher. Personally, I don't 
separate them. They have digital and traditional assignments at the same time.
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I had to laugh Susan....
I think every art teacher hears this....and I for one am an equal
opportunity harasser.  I work hard to develop a relationship where I am free
to use humor, and come down on kids...and to make that work, I let them at
time have fun with me.  But....in general...my come back is, "good is never
enough when you dream of being best!"
Some of course quickly tell me they don't dream of being best....and I
assure them that for this reason I reserve some grades for others!  So then,
I take 'em over to my computer where we use "e-grades" and highlight their
name...."well...let's look at how we'll grade this...."  I start with a
"D".....and turn and look and say, "...is this good enough?"  They usually
get my point. hahaha
I really ride them.  "Well...gee I see we need to set this broken bone in
your leg today, but I have a golf tee time in 45 minutes.  Hhhmmm....I'll
just set this bone over here and sew you up!" ................."There!  Good
enough!"     ?????????
"Gee honey, I know you wanted a car for your senior year.  Oh sure...there's
no window on one side, but its covered with pretty decent plastic.  That
rattling?  Oh, that's the rusted out exhaust system underneath...but its
wired up with real strong coat hanger wire!  You can get some pretty decent
sound from these car stereo speakers...but you need to slam down hard with
your fist on top of the dashboard just above the radio...oh...about....HERE
bbBBBBLLLLAAAAMM!  Well...maybe slam down on it a few times.  (sometimes
works!).
I know the seats are old, but we'll cover it with a blanket.   After
all....its, GOOD ENOUGH, RIGHT??????"
"What???  NO date for the prom yet?  Just pick any girl/boy....???   After
all...he'd/she be good enough, huh????"
Larry Seiler
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From: alethiap@win.bright.net (William Norton)
Subject: Students Art on the Web
I'm looking for art departments who post student art work on the web.  My
K-12 department is working on a web site and creating elctronic portfolios
for students.  We received two large grants from the state of WI for
equipment and training.  The final product will be a CD with student art,
department curriculum, accessment documents, etc. on it.  These will be
given to the selected students, shown to fellow teachers and
administrators, shown to art ed. students and possibly presented in a "in
progress" form at the National Art Convention in March.
My request is for the following:
        1. Is anyone else doing this type of thing?
        2. Those of you who post student art work on the web, do you at any time
           show the student's picture?
        3. If not, do you just identify their work by first name and grade
or what?
        4. I'm assuming if you post, you have parent's permission?
        5. If so, could you share this form with me.
        6. And finally, Does your district have a policy for this whole
process? Could
           you share this with me?
My district administrator has ask me to find out this information for the
administrative team.
We are going out in new territory and we want to make sure every thing is
legal and above board.
Thanks so much for your help. I realize this a lot of information, but this
group has so much to offer and so giving for each other!!!
Bill Norton
Menomonie High School Art
1715 5th St. West
Menomonie, WI  54751
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Subject: Louise Nevelson Stamps
Hello Folks,
        Remember snail mail?  In case you still use it, check out the new
Louise Nevelson  33 cent stamps at your local post office.  The packaged
set even comes with her picture and a quote.
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Hi,
I did a presentation at my state conference on the topic.
It is posted on my web site:
http://olejarz.com/arted/webportfolio
harold
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Subject: Clay rattles
Fellow clay teachers- we are scheduled to make clay rattles on friday..
what I was wondering ..what makes the best rattle... the shape of the dried
clay pieces you use to make the rattle.. what is the best shape.. should
they be made from another clay..with a higher cone or lower cone.. any
suggestions?
thanks
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From: Michelle Lowe <mishlowe@amug.org>
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At 06:58 AM 11/1/2000 -0800, Gordon wrote:
>Fellow clay teachers- we are scheduled to make clay rattles on friday..
>what I was wondering ..what makes the best rattle... the shape of the dried
>clay pieces you use to make the rattle.. what is the best shape.. should
>they be made from another clay..with a higher cone or lower cone.. any
>suggestions?
>thanks
We've had success making rattles (LOVE 'EM), by either lining the rattle
with kleenex or newspaper or paper towel, when you close it up with clay
pieces inside (we didn't really dry them much first), or we wrapped each
little piece individually, before enclosing them.  This seemed to keep them
from sticking to the inside of the rattle body, which we did by making two
pinch bowls (or other shapes) and then attaching together, with the rattle
pieces inside.  Sometimes the rattlers still stick, if the kids aren't
careful in wrapping or lining.  I think smaller pieces on the inside make a
more pleasant rattle, but I'm sure size of the chamber and thickness of
clay make a difference too.  It's interesting to see the sound difference
when you use different size pieces too...fun!
Good luck!
Mishy
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the counselor came to me and asked if I could go over colors and their
meaning/feelings etc with the 4th graders... since we were working on
nonobjective art, and eventually concentrating on color - it was a good fit.
We have been working with "Hailstones and Halibut Bones" by Mary O'Neill,
and the kids have written some great stuff - but I am torn between follow
up/culminating activity.  I have 4 fourth grades - they don't all have to do
the same final project.
Has anyone used this book before?  Any ideas?  
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Kim,
    She's right lots of Scandinavians, but there are lots of other ethnic
varieties also..and a few other characters, too. Try the Amercian Swedish
Institute, the  site is www.americanswedishinst.org. Or you can call them at
(612)871-4907.
Regards,
Jayne W.
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From: Ann Heineman <aheinema@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
To: ArtsEdNet Talk <artsednet@lists.getty.edu>
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Subject: Re: Scandinavian Resource
> Kimberly,
>
> Try St. Olaf's College in Minnesota. Lots of Scandinavians in that
> great northern state of lakes and Lutherans. The state tourisim office
> might have a website that will guide you to specific info.
>
>
> Ann-on-y-mouse in Columbus
>
>
>  But we are having trouble finding
> >information on some handmade decorations from Scandinavian countries.
Does
> >anyone have any suggestions for websites, or books?
>
> >Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
>
> Ann Heineman....aheinema@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
> Greensview School...Upper Arlington City Schools
> (614)487-5050  Box 522
> aheineman@uaschools.org
>
>
>
> ---
>
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> Subject: Re: DBAE,why is it off the getty page?
> From: Nnaell@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:01:27 EST
>
> But why would anyone call DBAE a nightmare Getty would like to forget?  I
> feel it more than served its purpose and completely understood your
> statement.  Mind you...I am not a
> DBAE disciple...I just think people should know the facts, have read the
> literature before saying things like the statement above.  I have done
> that....a graduate thesis on the beginnings of DBAE with many interviews to
> back up what I had read and surmized.
>
Okay I want to clarify something here even if it is just for me.
I never said DBAE Was a bad dream- I said it was as if Getty thought it
was a bad dream. The context I was trying to get across was the way they
erased all the people that worked for getty in the education dept and on
this list serve, which at one time had many people involved and then
dwindled down to a few and then none. Those of you who have been on this
list for more than a few years will know what I mean. It seemed funny to
me that they wouldn't have a link on their web site for DBAE, instead
you have to type it in if you know what to ask for, or where to go. This
came to my attention since I have a friend who is a photographer and I
was telling here about the web site and lo and behold she didn't know
what I was talking about when I said DBAE and didn't see it on the page-
I went there and it has been removed. So I don't mean literally "Bad
Dream" . I was also a coordinator, training people in DBAE for our
school district and I have written many lessons using this method as
well as other methods, resources, and my own experience. You may quote
your thesis Blah Blah Blah, but there are a lot of us here who have real
experience, so before you put someone down about not knowing the facts
or being well read maybe you should first contact them and understand
what they are meaning. You also show your age when you quote your
education and omit your experience.
Sandra Barrick
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But why would anyone call DBAE a nightmare Getty would like to forget?&nbsp; I&nbsp;
feel it more than served its purpose and completely understood your&nbsp;
statement.&nbsp; Mind you...I am not a&nbsp;
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Okay I want to clarify something here even if it is just for me.
<br>I never said DBAE Was a bad dream- I said it was as if Getty thought
it was a bad dream. The context I was trying to get across was the way
they erased all the people that worked for getty in the education dept
and on this list serve, which at one time had many people involved and
then dwindled down to a few and then none. Those of you who have been on
this list for more than a few years will know what I mean. It seemed funny
to me that they wouldn't have a link on their web site for DBAE, instead
you have to type it in if you know what to ask for, or where to go. This
came to my attention since I have a friend who is a photographer and I
was telling here about the web site and lo and behold she didn't know what
I was talking about when I said DBAE and didn't see it on the page- I went
there and it has been removed. So I don't mean literally "Bad Dream" .
I was also a coordinator, training people in DBAE for our school district
and I have written many lessons using this method as well as other methods,
resources, and my own experience. You may quote your thesis Blah Blah Blah,
but there are a lot of us here who have real experience, so before you
put someone down about not knowing the facts or being well read maybe you
should first contact them and understand what they are meaning. You also
show your age when you quote your education and omit your experience.
<p>Sandra Barrick
<br>http://home.fuse.net/astroboy/Sandra.html
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Subject: FINAL list of NAEYC attendees, Atlanta, Nov. 2000
From: MaryAnn Kohl <maryann@brightring.com>
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Final List of those attending NAEYC
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acarolan@inland.k12.mi.us
ann
ArtsEdNet
have several roommates from the list
Looking forward to meeting
armst2@ix.netcom.com
Jane   
ECE Loop 
Can't wait to see those returning to the conference and meet
those who have not attended before or in a while!
Hyatt   
efields@edc.org  
Erica  
will not be able to attend
colleagues will present pre-conference session: "Raising the Bar: Supporting
Young Children's Inquiry in Science", Wed 1-4pm
elmorulez@earthlink.net
Heidi  
ECE Loop
Super 8 - on Cone Street
not presenting or working a booth
can't wait to meet 
FeliciaGl@aol.com
ECELoop@aol.com
Alyce  roommate 
Fran, Web Coordinator, Teaching Strategies, Inc. booth #838
The Creative Curriculum Discussion List, ECENET, ECEOL, NAEYCTEC,
EC@lists.Teachers.net
Presentations: many authors and staff from Teaching Strategies presenting,
such as, Diane Trister Dodge, Cate Heroman, Toni Bickart, and staff
development trainers and network-trainers. For dates, times and locations
see http://www.teachingstrategies.com
Autograph: Diane, Toni and Cate autograph or chat on Thursday, Nov 9 , 4-
5pm, #838   
Autograph: Diane, Friday, Nov 10, 4- 5pm, also #838.
general
write your Loop name on your name tag so we can recognize eachother
jsilberg@interserv.com
Jackie   
ECE Loop, Kinder-L, ECENet, Early Childhood, ECEOL
presenting Friday at 11:30am, "Let Your Love Shine Through" - a mixture of
EC philosophy mixed with developmental songs and games for your little ones.
Mini-Workshops and Autographings in Gryphon House booth (see schedule in
program)
Working in Gryphon House booth
LAEmmert@aol.com
Les
mid-town Days Inn Lodge  4 miles North of the conference center
anyone "looking" for a roomie , okay for Wed., Thurs., and Friday
staying with a girlfriend Saturday night.
non-smoking double $62.15.
LynPZ@aol.com
Lyn  
flying Wichita Falls, Dallas, to Atlanta on American
ECE Loop
Super 8 - on Cone Street
not presenting or working a booth
arriving Tues. late afternoon
anyone staying over Sat. night for one of the events?
maryann@brightring.com
MaryAnn  
ECE Loop, Kinder-L, ECENet, First Grade
Marriott Marquis
Presenting: 2:30 on Friday, Nov. 10/ Young Chidldren Discover Great Artists
Working in Gryphon House booth almost all the time.
Gryphon House Mini-Workshop: 11am Thursday and 4pm Friday
Gryphon House Autograph Session: 3pm Thursday
npa@prodigy.net
Nancy   
ECELoop@aol.com 
Marriott 
presenting: Thurs at 8:30
autographing: Gryphon House booth, Thurs  at 11:00am
mini-workshop: Gryphon House booth, Friday am.
sefcik@home.com
Marian 
KinderKorner, Kinder-L
Holiday Inn, Downtown Atlanta
Leigh
attending NAEYC with a co-teacher
Teach0815@aol.com
Melanie 
Kindergargen teacher
Madison Premier Preschool
Huntsville, AL
attending with 3 other teachers, our director and assistant director
 
touch.of.love.ludwig@prodigy.net
Susan, Oregon 
I am not able to attend the NAEYC conference but I will be there in
spirit... I am sending my infant room lead teacher in my stead.
Early childhood education/young children
(0-8)"<ECENET-L@POSTOFFICE.CSO.UIUC.EDU
yost@alltel.net 
Nancy 
kinder-L 
Omni 
roommate - Nicola 
presenting - Pre-conference, Wed, with NAEYC Tech Causus,
in town on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday
attending only Wednesday, Pre-Conference day
       
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maryann@brightring.com
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<FONT SIZE=3D"2">Final List of those attending NAEYC<BR>
(cross post)<BR>
<BR>
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</FONT><H5>acarolan@inland.k12.mi.us<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">ann<BR>
ArtsEdNet<BR>
have several roommates from the list &nbsp;<BR>
Looking forward to meeting &nbsp;<BR>
<BR>
<B>armst2@ix.netcom.com <BR>
</B>Jane &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
ECE Loop <BR>
Can't wait to see those returning to the conference and meet<BR>
those who have not attended before or in a while! &nbsp;<BR>
Hyatt &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>efields@edc.org &nbsp;<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Erica &nbsp;<BR>
will not be able to attend <BR>
colleagues will present pre-conference session: &quot;Raising the Bar: Supp=
orting Young Children's Inquiry in Science&quot;, Wed 1-4pm<BR>
<BR>
<B>elmorulez@earthlink.net</B> <BR>
Heidi &nbsp;<BR>
ECE Loop<BR>
Super 8 - on Cone Street<BR>
not presenting or working a booth<BR>
can't wait to meet &nbsp;<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>FeliciaGl@aol.com<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">ECELoop@aol.com<BR>
Alyce &nbsp;roommate <BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>Fran, Web Coordinator, Teaching Strategies, Inc. booth #838<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">The Creative Curriculum Discussion List, ECENET, ECEOL,=
 NAEYCTEC, EC@lists.Teachers.net <BR>
Presentations: many authors and staff from Teaching Strategies presenting, =
such as, Diane Trister Dodge, Cate Heroman, Toni Bickart, and staff developm=
ent trainers and network-trainers. For dates, times and locations see http:/=
/www.teachingstrategies.com &nbsp;<BR>
Autograph: Diane, Toni and Cate autograph or chat on Thursday, Nov 9 , 4- 5=
pm, #838 &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
Autograph: Diane, Friday, Nov 10, 4- 5pm, also #838.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>general<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">write your Loop name on your name tag so we can recogni=
ze eachother<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>jsilberg@interserv.com <BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Jackie &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
ECE Loop, Kinder-L, ECENet, Early Childhood, ECEOL<BR>
presenting Friday at 11:30am, &quot;Let Your Love Shine Through&quot; - a m=
ixture of EC philosophy mixed with developmental songs and games for your li=
ttle ones. <BR>
Mini-Workshops and Autographings in Gryphon House booth (see schedule in pr=
ogram)<BR>
Working in Gryphon House booth<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>LAEmmert@aol.com<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Les<BR>
mid-town Days Inn Lodge &nbsp;4 miles North of the conference center <BR>
anyone &quot;looking&quot; for a roomie , okay for Wed., Thurs., and Friday=
 <BR>
staying with a girlfriend Saturday night. <BR>
non-smoking double $62.15. &nbsp;<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>LynPZ@aol.com<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Lyn &nbsp;<BR>
flying Wichita Falls, Dallas, to Atlanta on American<BR>
ECE Loop<BR>
Super 8 - on Cone Street<BR>
not presenting or working a booth <BR>
arriving Tues. late afternoon<BR>
anyone staying over Sat. night for one of the events?<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>maryann@brightring.com<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">MaryAnn &nbsp;<BR>
ECE Loop, Kinder-L, ECENet, First Grade<BR>
Marriott Marquis<BR>
Presenting: 2:30 on Friday, Nov. 10/ Young Chidldren Discover Great Artists=
<BR>
Working in Gryphon House booth almost all the time.<BR>
Gryphon House Mini-Workshop: 11am Thursday and 4pm Friday<BR>
Gryphon House Autograph Session: 3pm Thursday<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>npa@prodigy.net<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Nancy &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
ECELoop@aol.com <BR>
Marriott <BR>
presenting: Thurs at 8:30 <BR>
autographing: Gryphon House booth, Thurs &nbsp;at 11:00am<BR>
mini-workshop: Gryphon House booth, Friday am. &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>sefcik@home.com<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Marian <BR>
KinderKorner, Kinder-L<BR>
Holiday Inn, Downtown Atlanta<BR>
Leigh<BR>
attending NAEYC with a co-teacher<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><H5>Teach0815@aol.com<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Melanie <BR>
Kindergargen teacher<BR>
Madison Premier Preschool<BR>
Huntsville, AL<BR>
attending with 3 other teachers, our director and assistant director<BR>
 &nbsp;<BR>
</FONT><H5>touch.of.love.ludwig@prodigy.net<BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Susan, Oregon <BR>
I am not able to attend the NAEYC conference but I will be there in<BR>
spirit... I am sending my infant room lead teacher in my stead. &nbsp;&nbsp=
;<BR>
Early childhood education/young children (0-8)&quot;&lt;ECENET-L@POSTOFFICE=
CSO.UIUC.EDU<BR>
 <BR>
</FONT><H5>yost@alltel.net <BR>
</H5><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Nancy <BR>
kinder-L <BR>
Omni <BR>
roommate - Nicola <BR>
presenting - Pre-conference, Wed, with NAEYC Tech Causus, <BR>
in town on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday <BR>
attending only Wednesday, Pre-Conference day<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
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MaryAnn F. Kohl<BR>
maryann@brightring.com<BR>
http://www.brightring.com>
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From Joe.Applebaum@lnoca.org Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:36:50
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Subject: Re: PHOTOGRAPHY VS. DIGITAL COMPUTERS
To: artsednet
From: "Joe Applebaum" <Joe.Applebaum@lnoca.org>
In our new 3 yr. old building, we have a full 22 enlarger B & W darkroom 
and a 6 enlarger color darkroom with color processor.  I run 6 (40 minute) 
photo classes a day.  Over 2 semesters I teach about 220 students.  It 
would be a horrible shame for them to learn photo only through digital.  
What they really would be learning is digital imaging.  It would be the 
same as replacing all painting with computers because it can be done on the 
computer.  It is just another tool, or possibly an art form, but it should 
not replace.  Color film never totally replaced B & W film, and you still 
are best at learning  B & W first.  If you understand how to make a really 
good wet print, then it is easier to understand digital imaging.  The best 
situation is teaching both, with digital being the advanced course.
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hello all
  	This is the day after Hallowe'en, it has been raining for 
several days in a row, mid terms are out next week, and we had a 
recent in-service day. Could this explain the lack of enthusiasm my 
grades 10 & 11 are expressing  with a current project?
	We are nearly finished a multi-step project: discussion of 
how we become "used" to seeing violent images in the media, a 
group-effort collage (depicting war memorial themes),  the creation 
of individual art work,  the fragmentation of that art piece through 
a cutting and shifting technique, and the display of this work 
throughout the school in advance of Rememberance Day.
	Many are simply not putting much effort into this, need 
repeated explanations, and some after the 3rd day are still at the 
collage stage, are asking 'why are we doing this?', 'didn't we do 
collage in elementary school?', 'What's the point of cutting up the 
work and re-arranging it?'.
	For many of these students, art is "new", but the prevailing 
mood has infected even my more promising students.  Can I salvage 
this idea?
christene
-- 
Rob and Christene Sandeson
Teacher & Artist
57 Exhibition Street
Truro, N.S.     B2N 4C5
http://fox.nstn.ca/~sandeson/home.nstn.ca/
From aunthoppy@yahoo.com Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:39:15
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I wanted to take a field trip to a museum in a nearby city. In order to 
prepare for this I asked my 7 & 8 graders to do a report on one of the 
artists in the exhibit, and to also do a small work "from" one of the 
artist's works. They had a month, could work in class, they could get stuff 
off the internet, they could make the art in any medium we had available. I 
told them the report was required, and would be weighted as heavily as 
their nine week's test.
Only HALF of them did the project. In one hour, only three did. One girl's 
excuse was "I had other projects to do so I did the stuff that MATTERED".
The kid I nominated for Good Citizen award didn't bother. 
So, 20 of us are going, 20's grades will probably drop a letter grade. IS 
this normal and what I can expect the rest of my teaching life, or is this 
part of the growing pains of being a new teacher and trying to make this 
into a real art class?
BB 
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I am setting up a art lesson on peace and would love some ideas on various 
ways to discuss it and activities to do.
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> Hi! I know we have talked about this a thousand times-
> but does anyone out there love teaching seventh
> graders? snip (Jayna Ledbetter's message)
At our middle school we call them the hormones wearing sneakers 
group. These kids are the ones growing too fast or too slowly; 
getting messages from their bodies that are all new...and what to do? 
They are chaotic. I find they respond best to the most stringent 
controls. I list the day's assignment on the board, read it to them, 
ask them to repeat it back to me, etc. They need to learn how to 
listen but the noise in their heads and from the aforesaid bodies is 
drowning us out! Slow down, simplify, repeat things many times, many 
ways. Does each child have a notebook? Have them spend five minutes 
at the end of class copying the assignment down from the board, then 
ask them to respond to the assignment: What I am going to do is - 
think through before they get materials. Keep materials simple. Lots 
of drawing (Use the exercises in the Right Side of the Brain). They 
are so upset about looking stupid in front of friends. Peers are 
everything to this crowd. Occasionally do a craft that allows 
universal success (hand made books are good). Divide the class into 
three short segments that match their short attention spans. I use 
some kindergarten techniques! Oddly enough, this group wants to pose 
for figure drawing! They love to show off. I have some dress up 
items, like hats, masks, to vary the look of the model. Yesterday we 
had tons of witches to draw (0ur kids can wear their costumes to 
school). Hope this helps. Jane in Brooklyn
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Molas are works of art created by the women of the Central American Cuna(or
Kuna) tribe, of the San Blas Islands in Panama. They are made using an
applique process referred to as "reverse applique".  Several layers of cloth
varying in color are loosely stitched together. Fine-tipped scissors are
used to cut the top layers.  The cut edges are folded back and stitched to
the layer below.
Here are the links again if you didn't get beyond the code. I should have
known not to copy a file from "Word":
Indigenous Art Of  Panama:
http://www.panart.com/
The Art of Being Kuna (great site!)
http://www.conexus.si.edu/kuna/
Mola Gallery:
http://www.panart.com/mola_gallery.htm
Mola Market Place
http://members.aol.com/molamrkt/molasite2/
Mola's International Gallery:
http://www.molasinternational.com/
Folk Art Exchange (commercial site--but lots of ideas)
http://www.folkart.com/swenty-3/
http://www.folkart.com/panama/kuna/grey/
Molas (from About.com) Links for buying Molas do not work
http://quilting.about.com/hobbies/quilting/library/weekly/aa072297.htm
I told you folks I had many more links not on my pages yet...just ask.
Enjoy,
Judy Decker
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Would it be helpful to show collage work by contemporary collage artists so
kids can get the point of the advantages/power of collage and
mult-layers/multi-levels communicated by collage?  
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In a message dated 10/31/00 9:54:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Holly, do you teach high school??? You must teach older kids - you are 
> funny!!! Art Nazi's Unite!!!!
> 
> Funny, you should say that, Deb, cause I was thinking YOU are funny!  "(No 
> Art for YOU!")  
> I (try to) teach Middle School students!  LOL
Holly   :0)
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<HTML><FONT  COLOR="#800080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Tahoma" LANG="0">In a message dated 10/31/00 9:54:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>DWHEEL5645@aol.com writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Holly, do you teach high school??? You must teach older kids - you are 
<BR>funny!!! Art Nazi's Unite!!!!
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<BR>Funny, you should say that, Deb, cause I was thinking YOU are funny! &nbsp;"(No <BR>Art for YOU!") &nbsp;
<BR>I (try to) teach Middle School students! &nbsp;LOL</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#800080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Tahoma" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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I don't know what hubby has in mind for his lesson...but he needs the files
for tomorrow (to put on school server...and is doing the lesson in class
Friday). I put a temporary page on my WCOIL site of the links I found plus
some of Bob Fromm's links (a very BIG thanks to Bob!).
Our students are to do a lesson sometime during the day on Veterans Day to
pay tribute to our veterans. I will keep this page on at least until after
November 11.
http://www2.wcoil.com/~mdecker/vietnam.htm
Since a list member had requested U.S. culture from the 60's, I may add a
few sites (no promises). Please forward any additional site you may have.
Thanks for your input,
Judy Decker
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<html><DIV>Ever feel like your only a teacher- or howabout only the art teacher?&nbsp; I hope you enjoy this as much as I did.&nbsp; </DIV>
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<DIV>ONLY A TEACHER </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I am a teacher! What I do and say is being absorbed by young minds who will echo these images across the ages. My lessons will be immortal, affecting people yet unborn, people I will never see or know. The future of the world is in my classroom today and this future has potential for both good or bad. The pliable minds of tomorrow's leaders will be molded either artistically or grotesquely by what I do. Several future presidents are learning from me today; so are great writers of the next decades and so are all the so called ordinary people who will make the decisions in a democracy. I must never forget these same young people could be thieves and murderers of the future. Just a teacher? I have a calling to the greatest profession of all! I must be vigilant every day lest I lose one fragile opportunity to improve tomorrow. 
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<P>Dr. Ivan Fitzwater </P>And what about being an art teacher?&nbsp; Not only am I a teacher, I am also an art teacher who can reach students on a completely different level. Future painters, sculptors, desingers, and craftsman may look back on their memories in my classroom as the only place they felt a sense of belonging. I am influencing future lawmakers, administrators, and CEOs about how they will support or not support the arts by what I say and do. Everyday, I have an opportunity to make an impact on the world by sharing my passion for creating and understanding art. I just need to remind myself this on a daily basis during fire drills, bomb threats, the occasional fight, and the (all too scary) days I didn't have my coffee. -Me 
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I'm going too, I am a workshop presenter on Momotypes.
Ken Schwab, San Jose CA
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Oops, I thought this was for the National conference. not going to Atlanta.
Ken Schwab
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Hi Ken and all going to NAEYC, FYI Sax used to exhibit at this convention
and have decided that it is not our market.  It is a conference that is
geared to the pre K kiddies.  Do you think a lot of art teachers go to this
convention and we should change our mind?  I'm curious.  Thanks, Judy
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> I'm going too, I am a workshop presenter on Momotypes.
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I do a similar project each spring - my guess is that once all those D's and F's start showing up on grade sheets the lil' darlings will bend over backwards trying to bring their grades back up. Don't change the rules now or you'll regret it for the next several years. You are thoroughly justified - you gave them the requirements for the assignments and they chose not to fulfill their obligations for this assignment. It's going to be rough on you for awhile, but this is the only way you'll get the respect you deserve. Good luck!
~Michal
> So, 20 of us are going, 20's grades will probably drop a letter grade. IS 
> this normal and what I can expect the rest of my teaching life, or is this 
> part of the growing pains of being a new teacher and trying to make this 
> into a real art class? 
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At the suggestion of numerous ArtsEdNetters, I have begun using =
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Today I looked up from my computer and outside my window to the hallway were 
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Hi Holly:
    Any chance I could see some of your "do now" activities?  I have a few
very immature beg. art classes that are a constant challenge every day of
the week....most of them are in that class for, what they think is going to
be the "easy" grade....NOT!  Today was a better day because I had them begin
on a specific direction immediately....usually they just get started on the
project at hand and some like to take their time getting settled.  We just
figured quarter grades and many of them are either getting "D's" and a few
"F's" because they just can't get it together...like I said it is a group
with a high number of immature, loud, whinny, freshmen.  But, they have
gotten a "little" better since they first started back in August!!
THanks!
Barb F.
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> In a message dated 10/29/00 2:53:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> PrimaryE@aol.com writes:
>
> << Group discussions or group instruction does not work.  Write out
> instructions
>  and hand out sheets.  >>
>
> I don't believe my disruptive kids can READ!  I write a DO NOW activity
for
> them EVERY DAY in the same place, what has it been, 8 weeks now?  (JUst so
I
> can take attendance in peace.  Hasn't happened yet in the afternoon)  Some
> have yet to make the connection that its written there for THEM to read,
not
> me!  I have to go around to each kid and MAKE them look at the board and
take
> out their sketchbook.  Some days I just take it off their grade.  Its
their
> choice to work or not.  Do I have to care more than they do EVERY minute?!
> I have about 12 or 13 GREAT kids out of 30 who do whatever they are
supposed
> to!
>
> Holly   :0)
>
> ---
>
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Art Nazis Unite!!!!! :-) Deb W
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I recently ordered the video entitled "Behind the Scenes with David =
Hockney" which is hosted by Penn and Teller.
After previewing it, I think it's a little too "young" for my middle =
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paid (or best offer) and won't charge shipping.
If you're interested, please email me privately:
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And mine complain with only two pieces per six weeks and many failures,
from ART III and IV students.  I am not giving in though.
Jackie
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In a message dated 11/1/00 2:55:29 PM Central Standard Time, 
cindyselvaggio@earthlink.net writes:
<< I am setting up a art lesson on peace and would love some ideas on various 
 ways to discuss it and activities to do. >>
In Missouri one of our State Agencies holds a Peace Poster contest.  My 
students turn out some wonderful posters on the subjects of helping one 
another, being kind,
and other character traits that might lead to peace.  The contest is in 
celebration
of Martin Luther King Day and all winners usually show interaction of black 
and whites interacting in a peaceful way - work - play.  I had a first place 
winner one
year and two second place winners last year.  The discussions alone are worth
their weight in gold.  One little boy who had called others of different skin 
names on the playground seemed to be positively influenced by all this- 
wonderful - he's
now a fifth grader and still holds his tongue even thought he hears racial 
hate at home.  For what its worth.  Roberta
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>
> For as much as I've been whining about my students, most of them work on the
> projects I've been giving them! I have about 6-7 failures in my classes of
> 30. Only 1 to 3 A's.....
> Give deserved compliments.
> Sometimes when I do they look at me as if no one has ever said a kind thing
> to them in their entire life!  Sometimes they make me smile...
>
>
>
> ditto,
Have much the same situation.
Today was one of those AHHA! days
It's so nice when even the @#$%^ kids will work and I can compliment them.
Despite whining about the value drawing they are beginning to 'get it"  It's so
nice when that happens.
Have a shy quiet kid with mediocre skills and nooooooooeye contact who came in
extra time to work on a pen and ink.
He seemed so appreciative of any little bit of help and actually "got it"
despite the fact that I was teaching another class. It was GREAT and he felt
proud. ---------ME too
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In a message dated 10/31/00 9:07:14 PM Central Standard Time, Rdunkelart 
writes:
<< Another fun one of Shels is "The Turkey Shot out of the Oven"  For several 
years
 I had my second graders illustrate this one and they had a fabulous time 
with all the imaginative ways they could catch the turkey and the animals 
ducking and Mother
 screaming and Dad yelling etc.  >>
This is wrong -  the poem is by Jack Prelutsky not Shel.  Still a funny poem
from his book "Something Big was Here".
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Please stop sending me this mail.
This is artednet.
Not politicalednet.
And you've forwarded it three times already.
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I think that we get very few kids that plan to go on in Art, compared to 
those who go on in choir or certainly in band...so they are very reluctant 
for art to become a 'real' subject, they want to 'mess with clay', not work 
in ceramics, they want to smudge $3.00 worth of pastels on a paper so they 
can write their name in it, or they want to learn to make old english letters 
so they can swipe your india ink and set up a tatoo parlor, huff your spray 
paint, jack your airbrushes...have I left anything out, oh yeah, sometimes 
you can actually spark an interest in art and artists!!
So I work around their wayout interests, have you ever noticed how art 3 & 4 
attracts these crazy kids with multiple piercings and goofy haircuts?? maybe 
it's just my teeny west Texas town...  :-) Art Nazis Unite!!!!! Deb W
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wgbaas!!! and holly!!!
It is great, isn't it, when the kids get it! Today I had 3 kids work thru 
lunch...amazing....I LOVE my kids, but I am crazy, I have a sign to prove 
it...it says Mrs. W. is crazy!!! Come to think of it , it was made by the kid 
who called me a fascist....well, I display it with pride!!! :-) DW
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Three cheers!! It comes as 'goobledy gook' - is that spelled right??? DW
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Arty, what is the problem? It is just his web site with his art and 
art lessons on it or am I missing something?  Am I remembering
correctly that English is Oscar's  second language?
Sharon from NJ
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> Please stop sending me this mail.
> This is artednet.
> Not politicalednet.
> And you've forwarded it three times already.
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Hi BB
Dont be discouraged.  Just consider you may have shocked them.  I started 
teaching at the school Im at a year ago.  I dont thinnk they had written 
much at all in the art room before I came.  I quickly realized that to 
integrate writing I had to go slowly...sneak in there more and more.  And 
to tell you the truth, the kids are still getting used it.  I am at the 
elementary level, which is a little different, but not much.  At any grade 
level, many kids kids have the impression that art is soley focused on 
production.  I started them with illustrating words, making funny sentences 
and creating a picture to go with it, using words in their art, posters, 
fill in the blank worksheets I made up, short artuist statements, and other 
things.  Get them used to the idea that art is smart.  You need to write no 
matter what you do, whether you are in construction or and artist, or a 
radio host!
As I said, a year later, they are still getting used to it, but they ARE 
getting used to it, and they are beginning to see it's value, and LIKE it.  
They realize it gives them a chance to share, to learn, to have KNOWLEDGE 
nad that knowledge makes them smart and gives them power.  (Not to mention 
all the other reasons that we teachers know why its good!)  So dont give 
up, perhaps just go a little slower.
Also, with middle school (Or any level)  make sure you have "check-ups" and 
breakdown the process for them.  This helps them organize information, 
gives them a chance to share along the way, discuss their research 
experience in an open forum, ask for help...and importantly, be hjeld 
accountable.  They need the structure.  Maybe designate one or two days as 
deadlines for x amount of info/pages/resources. Make sure they are on par. 
Show them how to look, and go through the info.  They need prodding at this 
age.  And they need a "forced" opportunity to discuss the process, how 
things are going etc...   You could always add some gimmicks Perhaps, like: 
"what did you gather the artists personality/lifestyle/opinion was like?  
if your artist was going to endorse a product, what kind of product would 
they choose and why?  Create a fake ad with your artist promoting the 
product.  Or some other weird thing like that.  They can fun with it, and 
get all the info they need.  Humor works well with that age group too.
Sorry so long, hope this helps a little anyway.
Anna
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Subject: Oscar's delightful web site
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http://www.oscarararipe.cjb.net/
If you can't open Oscar's Virtual Gallery the way he sent it perhaps
you can open it this way and enjoy his bright sunny landscapes and
delightful vases of flowers.  About the most disturbing thing  on the
site is the photos of his studio/gallery and his home in Brazil.  I
turned green with envy when I saw the photos.  I can see why he won
the World Art Award of Excellence 2000.
I think you can assume that the word Libertarian means a very
different thing to Oscar in Brazil than it does in US of A.  We have
been through this before when he tried to share his art and art
lessons with us.  Please welcome him and cut him a break.  If you have
never lived in a foreign country and experienced the communication
bombs maybe you are not sensitive to the possibilities.  I have and I
know how frustrating it is to try to communicate and not know why you
have caused a commotion.  I was banned from a shop once because I put
money on the counter instead of counting it into the shop keeper's
hand.  A major offense.  How would I know?  I was banned from riding
the bus to school and I never did find out what I did that was so
offensive.  My teacher would try to help and laugh about what the town
people were reporting about "What the Yank did today."  I used an
offensive word in class once and the parents were demanding that I be
removed or their children would be withdrawn.  Somehow the teachers
were able to smooth that over.  I was told not to use "the word"
again.  It is a pretty common word here but curdled their blood!  Who
would know!!!
----------
From: "Oscar Araripe" <oararipe@mgconecta.com.br>
To: "ArtsEdNet Talk" <artsednet@lists.getty.edu>
Subject: A Libertarian Invitation / This site won the World Art Award
of Excellence 2000.
Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2000, 3:03 PM
Dear friends and fellows :
As a Artsednet member, I'm sending you this libertarian invitation
privately; because Lyris, unfortunately ,  don't accept image.
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<HEAD>
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<BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#FFFFFF">
http://www.oscarararipe.cjb.net/>
<BR>
If you can't open Oscar's Virtual Gallery the way he sent it perhaps you ca=
n open it this way and enjoy his bright sunny landscapes and delightful vase=
s of flowers. &nbsp;About the most disturbing thing &nbsp;on the site is the=
 photos of his studio/gallery and his home in Brazil. &nbsp;I turned green w=
ith envy when I saw the photos. &nbsp;I can see why he won the World Art Awa=
rd of Excellence 2000.<BR>
<BR>
I think you can assume that the word Libertarian means a very different thi=
ng to Oscar in Brazil than it does in US of A. &nbsp;We have been through th=
is before when he tried to share his art and art lessons with us. &nbsp;Plea=
se welcome him and cut him a break. &nbsp;If you have never lived in a forei=
gn country and experienced the communication bombs maybe you are not sensiti=
ve to the possibilities. &nbsp;I have and I know how frustrating it is to tr=
y to communicate and not know why you have caused a commotion. &nbsp;I was b=
anned from a shop once because I put money on the counter instead of countin=
g it into the shop keeper's hand. &nbsp;A major offense. &nbsp;How would I k=
now? &nbsp;I was banned from riding the bus to school and I never did find o=
ut what I did that was so offensive. &nbsp;My teacher would try to help and =
laugh about what the town people were reporting about &quot;What the Yank di=
d today.&quot; &nbsp;I used an offensive word in class once and the parents =
were demanding that I be removed or their children would be withdrawn. &nbsp=
;Somehow the teachers were able to smooth that over. &nbsp;I was told not to=
 use &quot;the word&quot; again. &nbsp;It is a pretty common word here but c=
urdled their blood! &nbsp;Who would know!!!<BR>
----------<BR>
From: &quot;Oscar Araripe&quot; &lt;oararipe@mgconecta.com.br&gt;<BR>
To: &quot;ArtsEdNet Talk&quot; &lt;artsednet@lists.getty.edu&gt;<BR>
Subject: A Libertarian Invitation / This site won the World Art Award of Ex=
cellence 2000.<BR>
Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2000, 3:03 PM<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
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from: Bunki Kramer (bkramer@srvusd.k12.ca.us)
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http://ww2.lcms.srvusd.k12.ca.us/faculty/faculty.html
************************
Can anyone tell me what is the difference between Japanese and Chinese brush
painting techniques....or are there any? Thanks......toodles.....Bunki
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Subject: Oscar's delightful web site
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Subject: Oscar's delightful web site
Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2000, 10:34 PM
http://www.oscarararipe.cjb.net/
If you can't open Oscar's Virtual Gallery the way he sent it perhaps
you can open it this way and enjoy his bright sunny landscapes and
delightful vases of flowers.  About the most disturbing thing  on the
site is the photos of his studio/gallery and his home in Brazil.  I
turned green with envy when I saw the photos.  I can see why he won
the World Art Award of Excellence 2000.
I think you can assume that the word Libertarian means a very
different thing to Oscar in Brazil than it does in US of A.  We have
been through this before when he tried to share his art and art
lessons with us.  Please welcome him and cut him a break.  If you have
never lived in a foreign country and experienced the communication
bombs maybe you are not sensitive to the possibilities.  I have and I
know how frustrating it is to try to communicate and not know why you
have caused a commotion.  I was banned from a shop once because I put
money on the counter instead of counting it into the shop keeper's
hand.  A major offense.  How would I know?  I was banned from riding
the bus to school and I never did find out what I did that was so
offensive.  My teacher would try to help and laugh about what the town
people were reporting about "What the Yank did today."  I used an
offensive word in class once and the parents were demanding that I be
removed or their children would be withdrawn.  Somehow the teachers
were able to smooth that over.  I was told not to use "the word"
again.  It is a pretty common word here but curdled their blood!  Who
would know!!!
Sharon from NJ
--To respond to me directly click on mailto:heneborn@erols.com
----------
From: "Oscar Araripe" <oararipe@mgconecta.com.br>
To: "ArtsEdNet Talk" <artsednet@lists.getty.edu>
Subject: A Libertarian Invitation / This site won the World Art Award
of Excellence 2000.
Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2000, 3:03 PM
Dear friends and fellows :
As a Artsednet member, I'm sending you this libertarian invitation
privately; because Lyris, unfortunately ,  don't accept image.
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From: &quot;Sharon Henneborn&quot; &lt;<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>heneborn@er=
ols.com</U></FONT>&gt;<BR>
Subject: Oscar's delightful web site<BR>
Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2000, 10:34 PM<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>http://www.oscarararipe.cjb.net/>
</U></FONT><BR>
If you can't open Oscar's Virtual Gallery the way he sent it perhaps you ca=
n open it this way and enjoy his bright sunny landscapes and delightful vase=
s of flowers. &nbsp;About the most disturbing thing &nbsp;on the site is the=
 photos of his studio/gallery and his home in Brazil. &nbsp;I turned green w=
ith envy when I saw the photos. &nbsp;I can see why he won the World Art Awa=
rd of Excellence 2000.<BR>
<BR>
I think you can assume that the word Libertarian means a very different thi=
ng to Oscar in Brazil than it does in US of A. &nbsp;We have been through th=
is before when he tried to share his art and art lessons with us. &nbsp;Plea=
se welcome him and cut him a break. &nbsp;If you have never lived in a forei=
gn country and experienced the communication bombs maybe you are not sensiti=
ve to the possibilities. &nbsp;I have and I know how frustrating it is to tr=
y to communicate and not know why you have caused a commotion. &nbsp;I was b=
anned from a shop once because I put money on the counter instead of countin=
g it into the shop keeper's hand. &nbsp;A major offense. &nbsp;How would I k=
now? &nbsp;I was banned from riding the bus to school and I never did find o=
ut what I did that was so offensive. &nbsp;My teacher would try to help and =
laugh about what the town people were reporting about &quot;What the Yank di=
d today.&quot; &nbsp;I used an offensive word in class once and the parents =
were demanding that I be removed or their children would be withdrawn. &nbsp=
;Somehow the teachers were able to smooth that over. &nbsp;I was told not to=
 use &quot;the word&quot; again. &nbsp;It is a pretty common word here but c=
urdled their blood! &nbsp;Who would know!!!<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>Sharon from NJ<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>--To respond to me directly click on <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>m=
ailto:heneborn@erols.com</U></FONT> <BR>
----------<BR>
From: &quot;Oscar Araripe&quot; &lt;<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>oararipe@mgcon=
ecta.com.br</U></FONT>&gt;<BR>
To: &quot;ArtsEdNet Talk&quot; &lt;<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>artsednet@lists=
getty.edu</U></FONT>&gt;<BR>
Subject: A Libertarian Invitation / This site won the World Art Award of Ex=
cellence 2000.<BR>
Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2000, 3:03 PM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><TT>Dear friends and fellows :<BR>
As a Artsednet member, I'm sending you this libertarian invitation privatel=
y; because Lyris, unfortunately , &nbsp;don't accept image.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</TT><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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I read HO LIM LIM to my kdg. It's about a rabbit and the book is done in 
beautiful wood cuts. We then do printmaking rabbits on scratchfoam.
RAINBOW FISH  also a printmaking project using markers.  
WHITE RABBITS COLOR BOOK about color mixing
ANANSI THE SPIDER/ AFrican story. We do adinkra design prints using stencils
Eric Carles books are great resources for collages
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Congratulations Oscar!
Kathy in Kalamazoo
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This is an interesting use of the internet.  And a very creative idea. 
Lee
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There was something in the Sept. issue of either Scholastic Art or School
Arts magazine on a Andy Goldworthy project in it.  Looked good.
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> Hello all, 
> 
> Today I was supposed to take the Art Club to our Outdoor Ed centre 
> for
> field sketching and other activities but it got postponed because of 
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> I need to have students K-8 complete Christmas gifts for their 
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> kindergarten, I have decided to have the students paint plaster 
> casts of 
> their handprints. I'm having problems finding a mold material soft 
> and 
> pliable enough for the little ones' hands. Wet sand and playdough 
> both seem 
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> plaster. 
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Hi Jackie:
    I won't give up either...I just am not that kind of person...so I
persist and will eventually CONQUER!!!!!!!!!  Like Holly says, "ART NAZIS
UNITE!!"  :-0)
BF
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> And mine complain with only two pieces per six weeks and many failures,
> from ART III and IV students.  I am not giving in though.
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Dear Mark,
As far as my limited experience with Gradekeeper is concerned, I think it is 
not a "thinking" program.  all you can do is plug in the grades, I don't 
believe it can figure 5 points per day; I think you have to deduct them 
yourself and type in your own result.
Same thing with the grades N, U, and I.  I don't know what I stands for but 
if N means "needs improvement", I'd make anything below a C fit that 
category, and U (unsatisfactory?) would be D- or F.(65 and below?)
If you click on HELP in the Gradekeeper program, then click on Contents, 
there's a category called Contacting me.  Maybe you could ask there....
As easy as the program is, its not perfect!   Good luck with grades, I have 
to do them this week too..
Holly   :0)
n a message dated 11/1/00 8:27:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
malexander06@snet.net writes:
> 1) The sketchbooks were due Monday, and it is clearly spelled out that the 
> students will lose 5 points for every school day the sketchbook is late. I 
> am having a hard time figuring out how to program the grade sheets to 
> reflect these negative points. Any Suggestions?
>  
> 2) The primary grades get grades like S, U, I, but I am having a hard time 
> getting the program to accept these grades. It seems to only accept A, B, 
> C, D, F or 1-100 formatted grades. I obviously don't need to find averages 
> for these students, which is what the program is designed for, but does 
> anyone have any suggestions for how I can simply record and report this 
> kind of grade? 
>  
> I'm already grateful for your quick responses. Thanks!
>  
> Mark
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<BR>
<BR>As far as my limited experience with Gradekeeper is concerned, I think it is <BR>not a "thinking" program. &nbsp;all you can do is plug in the grades, I don't <BR>believe it can figure 5 points per day; I think you have to deduct them <BR>yourself and type in your own result.
<BR>
<BR>Same thing with the grades N, U, and I. &nbsp;I don't know what I stands for but <BR>if N means "needs improvement", I'd make anything below a C fit that <BR>category, and U (unsatisfactory?) would be D- or F.(65 and below?)
<BR>
<BR>If you click on HELP in the Gradekeeper program, then click on Contents, <BR>there's a category called Contacting me. &nbsp;Maybe you could ask there....
<BR>
<BR>As easy as the program is, its not perfect! &nbsp;&nbsp;Good luck with grades, I have <BR>to do them this week too..
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#800080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Futura Bk BT" LANG="0"><B>Holly &nbsp;&nbsp;:0)</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#800080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Tahoma" LANG="0"></B>
<BR>
<BR>n a message dated 11/1/00 8:27:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>malexander06@snet.net writes:
<BR>
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">1) The sketchbooks were due Monday, and it is clearly spelled out that the <BR>students will lose 5 points for every school day the sketchbook is late. I <BR>am having a hard time figuring out how to program the grade sheets to <BR>reflect these negative points. Any Suggestions?</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR> 
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">2) The primary grades get grades like S, U, I, but I am having a hard time <BR>getting the program to accept these grades. It seems to only accept A, B, <BR>C, D, F or 1-100 formatted grades. I obviously don't need to find averages <BR>for these students, which is what the program is designed for, but does <BR>anyone have any suggestions for how I can simply record and report this <BR>kind of grade? </FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR> 
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I'm already grateful for your quick responses. Thanks!</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR> 
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Mark</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
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Dear Barb,
I'd love to help you, but I'm not too successful myself!
Its the end of the first quarter for me and I was just saying to myself that 
I have to rethink EVERYTHING I've ever known that worked for me in the past.
(I would LOVE to see Harry Wong  try to be these kids" teacher!)
My simple Do Nows are not working the way they were intended to.  (Today my 
Do Now said, "Please take out your sketchbook.  Copy these notes:  Texture is 
another element of Art.  TACTILE TEXURE: also called actual texture, is the 
way a surface would feel if you could touch it.  VISUAL TEXTURE can also be 
called simulated texture.  It is the way a surface appears through your sense 
of vision.
List as many types of texture that you can think of: eg. shiny, dull, bumpy, 
soft, etc.)" 
My students, too have to "settle in to begin working"  After a few weeks when 
I realized they were all failing, I started to explain how important 
participation, HW, projects and quizzes could be to their grades.  "Settling 
in" to them means that now I, (the Art Nazi), have to go around to EACH 
table, tell every 2 kids to take out their sketchbook, copy the notes or the 
simple activity thats written on the board, every day, in the same place, 
every day for 9 weeks now.  I have found that without me to prod them they'd 
settle in all morning and willingly take a zero.  The students are supposed 
to start the class themselves.  After a few weeks of them not reading the 
board, I began telling them what the board said at the door.  I've also tried 
going around with my marking book, giving grades on the spot, reminding them 
of their responsibilites, sometimes in a patient way, sometimes not.)  
ANother common related quote from the kids: "We had homework?"  That too is 
written on the board in the same place everyday and announced out loud by me. 
 Another chore 1st period, is getting the whole class to get up for the 
Pledge.  Most of you just have no idea what these kids could be like!!!)
Our principal has recently directed EVERY teacher to assign 30 minutes of HW 
EACH night, in EVERY subject, even on Fridays.  This too will be fun for me.  
By the time I check attendance, check that they are on task, note the ones 
who are not, check HW, check Do NOw, check participation, when do I teach ?  
So how can I help you when I can't help myself!  
When I had them work on a color-mixing-painting project (the do now was, 
"Resume work on your paint project." with no checking HW, and taking 
attendance at my leisure, is when they were on task the best.  I wonder if I 
should just work on projects, and give up the illusion of me me even trying 
to be a "real teacher" .... EVERY time I have attempted to do anything more 
has backfired with some bad behavior popping up.  Disruptive behavior takes 
up a lot of my time. 
Sorry for another long story....
Holly   :0)
n a message dated 11/1/00 8:47:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
felsecker@home.com writes:
> Hi Holly:
>     Any chance I could see some of your "do now" activities?  I have a few
> very immature beg. art classes that are a constant challenge every day of
> the week....most of them are in that class for, what they think is going to
> be the "easy" grade....NOT!  Today was a better day because I had them begin
> on a specific direction immediately....usually they just get started on the
> project at hand and some like to take their time getting settled.  We just
> figured quarter grades and many of them are either getting "D's" and a few
> "F's" because they just can't get it together...like I said it is a group
> with a high number of immature, loud, whinny, freshmen.  But, they have
> gotten a "little" better since they first started back in August!!
> THanks!
> Barb F.
> 
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<HTML><FONT  COLOR="#800080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Tahoma" LANG="0">Dear Barb,
<BR>
<BR>I'd love to help you, but I'm not too successful myself!
<BR>
<BR>Its the end of the first quarter for me and I was just saying to myself that <BR>I have to rethink EVERYTHING I've ever known that worked for me in the past.
<BR>
<BR>(I would LOVE to see Harry Wong &nbsp;try to be these kids" teacher!)
<BR>
<BR>My simple Do Nows are not working the way they were intended to. &nbsp;(Today my <BR>Do Now said, "Please take out your sketchbook. &nbsp;Copy these notes: &nbsp;Texture is <BR>another element of Art. &nbsp;TACTILE TEXURE: also called actual texture, is the <BR>way a surface would feel if you could touch it. &nbsp;VISUAL TEXTURE can also be <BR>called simulated texture. &nbsp;It is the way a surface appears through your sense <BR>of vision.
<BR>List as many types of texture that you can think of: eg. shiny, dull, bumpy, <BR>soft, etc.)" 
<BR>
<BR>My students, too have to "settle in to begin working" &nbsp;After a few weeks when <BR>I realized they were all failing, I started to explain how important <BR>participation, HW, projects and quizzes could be to their grades. &nbsp;"Settling <BR>in" to them means that now I, (the Art Nazi), have to go around to EACH <BR>table, tell every 2 kids to take out their sketchbook, copy the notes or the <BR>simple activity thats written on the board, every day, in the same place, <BR>every day for 9 weeks now. &nbsp;I have found that without me to prod them they'd <BR>settle in all morning and willingly take a zero. &nbsp;The students are supposed <BR>to start the class themselves. &nbsp;After a few weeks of them not reading the <BR>board, I began telling them what the board said at the door. &nbsp;I've also tried <BR>going around with my marking book, giving grades on the spot, reminding them <BR>of their responsibilites, sometimes in a patient way, sometimes not.) &nbsp;<BR>ANot!
her common related quote from the kids: "We had homework?" &nbsp;That too is <BR>written on the board in the same place everyday and announced out loud by me. <BR>&nbsp;Another chore 1st period, is getting the whole class to get up for the <BR>Pledge. &nbsp;Most of you just have no idea what these kids could be like!!!)
<BR>
<BR>Our principal has recently directed EVERY teacher to assign 30 minutes of HW <BR>EACH night, in EVERY subject, even on Fridays. &nbsp;This too will be fun for me. &nbsp;<BR>By the time I check attendance, check that they are on task, note the ones <BR>who are not, check HW, check Do NOw, check participation, when do I teach ? &nbsp;
<BR>
<BR>So how can I help you when I can't help myself! &nbsp;
<BR>
<BR>When I had them work on a color-mixing-painting project (the do now was, <BR>"Resume work on your paint project." with no checking HW, and taking <BR>attendance at my leisure, is when they were on task the best. &nbsp;I wonder if I <BR>should just work on projects, and give up the illusion of me me even trying <BR>to be a "real teacher" .... EVERY time I have attempted to do anything more <BR>has backfired with some bad behavior popping up. &nbsp;Disruptive behavior takes <BR>up a lot of my time. 
<BR>
<BR>Sorry for another long story....
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#800080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Futura Bk BT" LANG="0"><B>Holly &nbsp;&nbsp;:0)
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<BR>n a message dated 11/1/00 8:47:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>felsecker@home.com writes:
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi Holly:
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Any chance I could see some of your "do now" activities? &nbsp;I have a few
<BR>very immature beg. art classes that are a constant challenge every day of
<BR>the week....most of them are in that class for, what they think is going to
<BR>be the "easy" grade....NOT! &nbsp;Today was a better day because I had them begin
<BR>on a specific direction immediately....usually they just get started on the
<BR>project at hand and some like to take their time getting settled. &nbsp;We just
<BR>figured quarter grades and many of them are either getting "D's" and a few
<BR>"F's" because they just can't get it together...like I said it is a group
<BR>with a high number of immature, loud, whinny, freshmen. &nbsp;But, they have
<BR>gotten a "little" better since they first started back in August!!
<BR>THanks!
<BR>Barb F.
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Holly, Barb,
I do so relate to what you've been saying.  It seems that all the teachers in 
my school agree that the kids are, in general, less interested in working 
hard this year.  Maybe there is a reason for this It's frustrating.  It takes 
a lot of diligence and persistence to keep them on target.  There is so much 
talent out there and when you get them to be productive, it's wonderful.  Can 
you imagine that we will have Regents in the studio foundation art course 
before long in NY state?  We're trying to follow the guidelines suggested by 
NY state already so we'll be ready.  Oy vay!!!!!!!
Eileen in Westchester
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<HTML><FONT  SIZE=2>Holly, Barb,
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<BR>I do so relate to what you've been saying. &nbsp;It seems that all the teachers in <BR>my school agree that the kids are, in general, less interested in working <BR>hard this year. &nbsp;Maybe there is a reason for this It's frustrating. &nbsp;It takes <BR>a lot of diligence and persistence to keep them on target. &nbsp;There is so much <BR>talent out there and when you get them to be productive, it's wonderful. &nbsp;Can <BR>you imagine that we will have Regents in the studio foundation art course <BR>before long in NY state? &nbsp;We're trying to follow the guidelines suggested by <BR>NY state already so we'll be ready. &nbsp;Oy vay!!!!!!!
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I'm going to NAEA in March.  Ken, when is your workshop for Monotype?  I'd
like to sign up when the registration forms come out.  Thanks,
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> have you ever noticed how art 3 & 4
> attracts these crazy kids with multiple piercings and goofy
> haircuts?? Deb W
Deb...
have to laugh....but you are right, and there is good reason for this!  Each
generation seems to do what it needs to do to get a rise out of its adult
population.  To draw attention to itself, the "shock" factor.  I heard a
statistic about 10 years ago that cited the average adult spending about
eight minutes in meaningful conversation per week with their teen.  How they
did such a survey, I haven't a clue...however, teens are hungering for
attention.
Imagine...in a culture that has grown accustomed to piercings, funky hair
and color, tatoos... having survived the big hair 80's with torn jeans and
spandex, trying to find an identity and stand out in a crowd!
At any rate...such students become somewhat introverted, though their
outward expressions seem to suggest otherwise.  The learn the arts give them
a voice.  A voice that first speaks to themselves...then one they learn can
reach out to others.
Vincent Van Gogh went thru the same process.  Rejection after
rejection....from his first advocations of failed ministry thru the church,
missionary ventures, his family, etc....  Some contemporary thinkers believe
he turned to images as a means to find a voice yet to possibly express
himself thru.  When he discovered such, he became a prolific machine.  In a
ten year period crankin' out 800 drawings and 900 paintings, and selling
only one all that time for about $80......!!
On the flip side, the students that find easy expression and gained
attention thru activities such as sports, ....seem proportionately not to
put as much value on their desire/need to explore the arts, for their need
for attention is being satisfied.  I'm not saying athletes don't like making
art, for there is obviously a wide mix of those that enjoy art making...but
I'm saying the need is lessened by the attention they routinely get.
Art making and self-expression is very satisfying for many young people that
have faced hurt, rejection, and confusion.  It has been my experience that
high school counselors tend to tap into the art department staff, knowing
that useful information to help particular kids often rise in the art room
envirnoment!
That art making tends to give the rejected a sense of empowerment is one
reason many prison inmates develop into some very fine artists, and IMHO if
the government were serious about their defense of punitive time being
rehabilitative, they would be wise to develop well staffed and supplied art
departments in all medium and maximum security systems.
Larry Seiler
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> Linda Fields. Congatulations! 
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Do you have a specific lesson plan for the posters?  I love the poster idea.  I
just need some suggestions for the discussion questions.  Thanks.  This is for
second grade.
Cindy
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Sharon Henneborn wrote:
> 
> I think you can assume that the word Libertarian means a very
> different thing to Oscar in Brazil than it does in US of A.  We have
> been through this before when he tried to share his art and art
> lessons with us.  Please welcome him and cut him a break.  If you have
> never lived in a foreign country and experienced the communication
> bombs maybe you are not sensitive to the possibilities. 
Amen to that!  Sharon is absolutely correct.  It's appalling that people
who earnestly incorporate "multicultural" learning in their curricula
would be insensitive to someone from outside the US sharing his corner
of the world with us.  Like Sharon, I've pulled my share of foreign
language boners, though with lots of laughter at my expense and some
gentle corrections.  Appreciate Oscar and what he's trying to contribute
to the list.
Maggie
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I have students photograph work and create and maintain web pages.  Check 
them out at http://www.hpsd.k12.pa.us
Go to the Middle School, then Student Art.
They are currently featuring an animation program which gives some people 
problems loading.  We are working on a solution to this.
We do not list names of students or pictures, only the work itself.
I'm looking for art departments who post student art work on the web.  My
K-12 department is working on a web site and creating elctronic portfolios
for students.  We received two large grants from the state of WI for
equipment and training.  The final product will be a CD with student art,
department curriculum, accessment documents, etc. on it.  These will be
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"The 'C' students run the world." 
--Harry Truman
Lawrence A. Parker
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I agree with Larry and feel I have to add that in our school I have some
of the pierced ones and the drama department has the rest - I think
Larry's philosophy about "finding your place" holds true for all the arts.
Sue E. Stewart
Sumner High School
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I was unable to open the attached list, does anyone have a copy they could =
forward or mail.  I would really appreciate it.
>>> PrimaryE@aol.com 10/27/00 06:12PM >>>
Judy,  I love the list.  Thanks so much.  Eileen
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Subject: Re: Crazy Kids and empowerment
	A good place to view art work created by mentally and emotionally
challenged individuals is the American Visionary Museum in Baltimore, MD.
		Ann-on-y-mouse in Columbus
>That art making tends to give the rejected a sense of empowerment
>rehabilitative, they would be wise to develop well staffed and supplied art
>departments in all medium and maximum security systems.
>Larry Seiler
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I'm working on a wish list (already 4 pages long). The idea is that some
people will only donate for a specific thing not the general operating fund.
I was looking for children's books about Jacob Lawrence and found two
videos, but no age range is given. What do you know about Jacob Lawrence -
An Intimate Portrait or Jacob Lawrence: The Glory of Expressio? If you
recommend them, for what age ranges are they designed?
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
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San Angelo Museum of Fine Arts/Children's Art Museum
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In a message dated 11/2/00 9:20:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, occti@acorn.net 
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> "The 'C' students run the world." 
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Hey, Lar, VERY true!  I forgot about that quote!
But the Art Nazi is running the room! 
 (I'm smiling)
Holly   :0)
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<HTML><FONT  COLOR="#800080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Tahoma" LANG="0">In a message dated 11/2/00 9:20:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, occti@acorn.net <BR>writes:
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<BR>Hey, Lar, VERY true! &nbsp;I forgot about that quote!
<BR>But the Art Nazi is running the room! 
<BR> (I'm smiling)
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From: Melissa Enderle <melissa@afribone.net.ml>
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Hi all,
I'm glad to hear that many of you have been enjoying my posts. I 
often think of things to write at inopportune times, such as when 
walking to school, but don't always have the mental energy to write 
them when I get to my computer at night.
Anyway, I'll begin with Halloween. Mainly for the ex-pats and other 
families working in Mali, the American Embassy and our school hosted 
a Halloween trick-or-treat. Homes of expats and around the 
Badalabougou area volunteered to be a place where the children could 
stop for treats. The school was the starting point and also had 
candy. I decided to go and help out at the school, partly because I 
knew they would need help and also because I have not gone to one of 
the 2 "supermarche" stores in well over a month. Kids (mostly those 
who attended our school) began descending on the school entryway, 
accompanied mostly by their parent(s) and sometimes by a driver. A 
few used commercially-made costumes, but many had more creative, 
individually (perhaps by one of the local tailors) made costumes. Or, 
they simply improvised with the clothing or materials they had at 
home. Of course there were quite a few witches, some ghouls and 
vampires, and a few dressed up as cats or dinosaurs in full costume. 
Some had makeup on as well. Children were carrying the plastic 
pumpkin containers or plastic bags.
It was quite the sight - all the kids in costumes walking through the 
terracotta dirt road - past the goats eating leaves or grass, and 
past the local people. For the locals who don't even understand the 
whole concept behind Halloween and trick-or-treating, you can imagine 
why they had looks of either puzzlement, surprise, and perhaps more. 
Why, when you really think about it, would any sweet child suddenly 
wear plastic fangs in their mouth, garish makeup, and a dark costume?
As I began handing out candy, I noticed the local children. Some were 
playing soccer (they have to be careful where they are playing, for 
if they hit the ball too far in two directions, the ball could land 
in the open sewer) and others were either standing around, playing 
with the handmade toys, or helping at a local produce stand. Knowing 
that they probably haven't had candy in quite a while (and certainly 
not Halloween candy), I brought the bowl closer to a few. At my 
urging they each took a piece. Well, word soon spread, and I was 
giving a way quite a bit of the candy. You should have seen their 
faces though - it was if they were given a precious gift!
Yesterday the power went out at my house duplex, much like it often 
does. Like other times, the guardian turned on the generator. The 
generator ran for about an hour, then power was restored - except to 
me, the upstairs duplex resident. Knowing that there was nothing 
electrically that could be attended to until morning, I resided to 
reading by candlelight and working on the computer with only the 
light of the monitor. (Aren't laptops great!?!) The school secretary 
- a Malian (she speaks fluent French, Bambara, and excellent English) 
called two electricians that the school works with. One finally came 
about 3:30 in the afternoon and fixed the problem. At school around 
10:40, the power went off, then on, then off again.  The school's 
generator went on but began smoking - a major part had broken. So, 
all afternoon, the school had no power. No power meant no computer 
work. After finishing some miscellaneous tasks,I took some reading 
about wireless networks with me and read on the picnic benches 
outside the lab - the area where the kids eat lunch.
It sure would be nice to have some type of backup power for the 
computers, but they are quite costly. If anyone knows of a company 
that might be willing to either donate some UPS battery  backup 
systems or similar things for our small school (or at least give a 
reduced price), I would be most grateful.
For many local people (nearly all in the local villages), electricity 
outages aren't a concern - there simply isn't any electricity. So, I 
guess I should just look at the whole situation as a minor 
inconvenience and take it as another memorable aspect of Mali.
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<div>Hi all,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm glad to hear that many of you have been enjoying my posts. I
often think of things to write at inopportune times, such as when
walking to school, but don't always have the mental energy to write
them when I get to my computer at night.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Anyway, I'll begin with Halloween. Mainly for the ex-pats and
other families working in Mali, the American Embassy and our school
hosted a Halloween trick-or-treat. Homes of expats and around the
Badalabougou area volunteered to be a place where the children could
stop for treats. The school was the starting point and also had
candy. I decided to go and help out at the school, partly because I
knew they would need help and also because I have not gone to one of
the 2 &quot;supermarche&quot; stores in well over a month. Kids
(mostly those who attended our school) began descending on the school
entryway, accompanied mostly by their parent(s) and sometimes by a
driver. A few used commercially-made costumes, but many had more
creative, individually (perhaps by one of the local tailors) made
costumes. Or, they simply improvised with the clothing or materials
they had at home. Of course there were quite a few witches, some
ghouls and vampires, and a few dressed up as cats or dinosaurs in
full costume. Some had makeup on as well. Children were carrying the
plastic pumpkin containers or plastic bags.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It was quite the sight - all the kids in costumes walking
through the terracotta dirt road - past the goats eating leaves or
grass, and past the local people. For the locals who don't even
understand the whole concept behind Halloween and trick-or-treating,
you can imagine why they had looks of either puzzlement, surprise,
and perhaps more. Why, when you really think about it, would any
sweet child suddenly wear plastic fangs in their mouth, garish
makeup, and a dark costume?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>As I began handing out candy, I noticed the local children. Some
were playing soccer (they have to be careful where they are playing,
for if they hit the ball too far in two directions, the ball could
land in the open sewer) and others were either standing around,
playing with the handmade toys, or helping at a local produce stand.
Knowing that they probably haven't had candy in quite a while (and
certainly not Halloween candy), I brought the bowl closer to a few.
At my urging they each took a piece. Well, word soon spread, and I
was giving a way quite a bit of the candy. You should have seen their
faces though - it was if they were given a precious gift!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Yesterday the power went out at my house duplex, much like it
often does. Like other times, the guardian turned on the generator.
The generator ran for about an hour, then power was restored - except
to me, the upstairs duplex resident. Knowing that there was nothing
electrically that could be attended to until morning, I resided to
reading by candlelight and working on the computer with only the
light of the monitor. (Aren't laptops great!?!) The school secretary
- a Malian (she speaks fluent French, Bambara, and excellent English)
called two electricians that the school works with. One finally came
about 3:30 in the afternoon and fixed the problem. At school around
10:40, the power went off, then on, then off again.&nbsp; The
school's generator went on but began smoking - a major part had
broken. So, all afternoon, the school had no power. No power meant no
computer work. After finishing some miscellaneous tasks,I took some
reading about wireless networks with me and read on the picnic
benches outside the lab - the area where the kids eat lunch.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><i>It sure would be nice to have some type of backup power for
the computers, but they are quite costly. If anyone knows of a
company that might be willing to either donate some UPS battery&nbsp;
backup systems or similar things for our small school (or at least
give a reduced price), I would be most grateful.</i></div>
<div><i><br></i></div>
<div>For many local people (nearly all in the local villages),
electricity outages aren't a concern - there simply isn't any
electricity. So, I guess I should just look at the whole situation as
a minor inconvenience and take it as another memorable aspect of
Mali.</div>
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Faculty Vacancy -- Assistant Professor
Art Education
The University of Florida School of Art and Art History, College of 
Fine Arts, invites applications for a tenure-track faculty position 
with a specialization in art education.  The position's starting date 
is August 10, 2001.
Responsibilities: Teach undergraduate courses in education methods 
for both art majors and elementary education majors; teach graduate 
courses in art education; supervise student teaching; conduct a 
program of scholarly research appropriate to the discipline; 
contribute appropriately in the area of service to the university, 
community and the profession.
Qualifications: Excellent scholar and committed teacher; Ph.D. or 
Ed.D. in Art Education required; minimum of three years experience 
teaching art K-12; university teaching experience beyond graduate 
assistantship; evidence of publication and professional service in 
art education; demonstrated expertise in one or more of the following 
areas: special education; early childhood, elementary or middle 
school art education; art assessment; museum education; preservice 
teacher education; inservice teacher training; critical theory and 
pedagogy; or alternative art education.
Rank and salary: Assistant Professor; Nine month salary commensurate 
with qualifications and experience.
University of Florida: The University of Florida is a comprehensive, 
graduate research institution with 45,000 students and membership in 
the AAU. Gainesville, which is consistently ranked as one of the 
nation's most livable cities, is located midway between the Gulf of 
Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. Together the university and the 
community comprise an educational, medical and cultural center for 
North Central Florida, with outstanding resources such as the 
Phillips Center for the Performing Arts, the Harn Museum of Art, the 
Florida Museum of Natural History, and the Hippodrome State Theater.
School of Art and Art History: The School of Art and Art History, 
organized within the College of Fine Arts, plays an important role in 
the academic life of the university and in the community.  The School 
has 34 full-time faculty with approximately 600 art majors.  Degree 
programs include the B.A., B.F.A., M.A., and M.F.A.  Areas of study 
include General Art Studies, Art History, Art Education, Museum 
Studies, Visual Arts (majors in Ceramics, Creative Photography, 
Drawing, Digital Arts and Sciences, Electronic Intermedia, Graphic 
Design, Painting, Printmaking, and Sculpture).  All degree programs 
are accredited by NASAD and the Southern Association of Colleges and 
Schools.  The School of Art and Art History homepage is located at 
http://www.arts.ufl.edu/.
Application Deadline: March 1, 2001
Application Procedures: Applicants should submit a detailed letter of 
application, a statement of teaching philosophy, a professional 
resume, appropriate documentation of recent work, off prints/copies 
of representative publications, documentation of students' work if 
available, and SASE for return of materials; and the names, 
addresses, e-mail addresses, and telephone numbers of three 
references who have been asked to send letters of recommendation 
written specifically for this position directly to:
Art Education Search
School of Art and Art History
PO Box 115801
University of Florida
Gainesville, FL 32611-5801
The University of Florida is an Equal Opportunity Affirmative Action 
Employer.  Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. The 
"government in the sunshine" law of Florida requires that all 
documents relating to the search process, including letters of 
application/nomination and reference, be available for public 
inspection.
____________________________________________________________________________
CRAIG ROLAND Associate Professor of Art Education
School of Art and Art History - University of Florida
PO Box 115801, Gainesville Florida 32611-5801
Art Ed Office: 352.392.9165  Fax: 352-392-8453
homepage: http://grove.ufll.edu/~rolandc/homepage.html
visit the @rt room at: http://www.arts.ufl.edu/art/rt_room/
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Vacancy -- Assistant Professor
Art Education
</bigger></bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Times_New_Roman</pa=
ram>The
University of Florida School of Art and Art History, College of Fine
Arts, invites applications for a tenure-track faculty position with a
specialization in art education.  The position's starting date is
August 10, 2001.
<bold>Responsibilities:</bold> Teach undergraduate courses in education
methods for both art majors and elementary education majors; teach
graduate courses in art education; supervise student teaching; conduct
a program of scholarly research appropriate to the discipline;
contribute appropriately in the area of service to the university,
community and the profession.
<bold>Qualifications:</bold> Excellent scholar and committed teacher;
Ph.D. or Ed.D. in Art Education required; minimum of three years
experience teaching art K-12; university teaching experience beyond
graduate assistantship; evidence of publication and professional
service in art education; demonstrated expertise in one or more of the
following areas: special education; early childhood, elementary or
middle school art education; art assessment; museum education;
preservice teacher education; inservice teacher training; critical
theory and pedagogy; or alternative art education.
<bold>Rank and salary:</bold> Assistant Professor; Nine month salary
commensurate with qualifications and experience.
<bold>University of Florida</bold>: The University of Florida is a
comprehensive, graduate research institution with 45,000 students and
membership in the AAU. Gainesville, which is consistently ranked as one
of the nation's most livable cities, is located midway between the Gulf
of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. Together the university and the
community comprise an educational, medical and cultural center for
North Central Florida, with outstanding resources such as the Phillips
Center for the Performing Arts, the Harn Museum of Art, the Florida
Museum of Natural History, and the Hippodrome State Theater.
<bold>School of Art and Art History</bold>: The School of Art and Art
History, organized within the College of Fine Arts, plays an important
role in the academic life of the university and in the community.  The
School has 34 full-time faculty with approximately 600 art majors.=20
Degree programs include the B.A., B.F.A., M.A., and M.F.A.  Areas of
study include General Art Studies, Art History, Art Education, Museum
Studies, Visual Arts (majors in Ceramics, Creative Photography,
Drawing, Digital Arts and Sciences, Electronic Intermedia, Graphic
Design, Painting, Printmaking, and Sculpture).  All degree programs are
accredited by NASAD and the Southern Association of Colleges and
Schools.  The School of Art and Art History homepage is located at
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In a message dated 11/1/00 10:37:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< Can anyone tell me what is the difference between Japanese and Chinese 
brush
 painting techniques....or are there any? Thanks......toodles.....Bunki >>
BUnki,
One is from China and one is from Japan.  Hope this clears things up. 
hahahahahahahahahahaha
sorry, couldn't stop myself
Gabrielle
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from: Bunki Kramer (bkramer@srvusd.k12.ca.us)
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>><< Can anyone tell me what is the difference between Japanese and Chinese
>> brush>>  painting techniques....or are there any?
Thanks......toodles.....Bunki >>
> BUnki,
> One is from China and one is from Japan.  Hope this clears things up.
> hahahahahahahahahahaha
> sorry, couldn't stop myself> Gabrielle
***********************
Thanks for sharing your witful knowledge, Gabrielle. Anyone ELSE has
anything to add? IS there a difference? Bunki.......
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I, too, am doing a peace poster contest with my 6th graders.  They all
will
receive a certificate of participation and one will get 50.00.  I tied
it into
the principles of design and discussed symbols, and their use in art.  I
get a little discouraged at
all who want to make worlds with people around them.   I'm trying to get
them to
think in different terms and purposely stayed away from images of  the
world.
Some of the posters  are wonderful, most are typical.  I am open to some
suggestions and would
appreciate all advice.  Thanks,  Betsy
PS, Our state (Indiana) has now mandated the use of Baldridge Criteria
for
continuous improvement.  They ( Our Administration) will be going to San
Diego
in the Spring to give a talk on this and how it works.  It was
origionally set up
for businesses, I beleive .  Get ready San Diego... Betsy
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Help....I need a way to color white play sand without using powdered tempera! 
I need the information ASAP so I can get supplies rounded up for Monday 
morning.
Thanks to everyone!
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Do Digital Photography.
>>> ytsirk_uno@yahoo.com 10/30 6:26 PM >>>
Has technology caught up with traditional artforms?=20
Are teachers of the "hands on" old school of art being
pushed aside for state of the "art" digital and
computer graphics imagery. Every art teacher has their
niche or preference of media and will teach according
to their strengths.
A situation has risen in our school district where a
new addition to the school is planned.  This presents
an opportunity for a new artroom facility. The present
artroom has a photography darkroom basically for Grade
11 classes.   The new plans have eliminated this
photo-lab set up and have gone with a basic room
design with little more than an island sink at the
back of the room to conduct art classes.  Eventhough
teachers have had an opportunity for input, there is a
difference of opinion as to a darkroom verses computer
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I have no idea yet They said in the letter that if we had more than one 
proposal then we could assume that we were accepted for the one not listed.  
If this is true and I am doing this I will be notified of the schedule later.
This will be a hands on deal using the createx paints, vellum, gum Arabic and 
rolling pin presses.  Createx is funding a bag of samples and products for 
all the participants, so that you can go home and do it immediately.
If I get a schedule I will let you know.
Ken Schwab
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I cannot tell you an a simple answer, however if you asked a Chinese or =
Japanese artist they would. As a westerner I see differences in some =
periods/dynasties but many times I cannot. They both share similar =
histories of development with religious and secular affiliations to =
calligraphy and painting. Each has a rich tradition of art or "beautiful =
skill" as the Chinese call "art", begin your research because it will =
fascinate you. Find out about the "four treasures", and try them out.
>>> bkramer@srvusd.k12.ca.us 11/01 7:32 PM >>>
from: Bunki Kramer (bkramer@srvusd.k12.ca.us)
Los Cerros Middle School
968 Blemer Road
Danville, CA 94526
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Can anyone tell me what is the difference between Japanese and Chinese =
brush
painting techniques....or are there any? Thanks......toodles.....Bunki
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The kids were wonderful.  I just threw out the idea of how we can live more 
peaceful
lives and we did some role playing for certain situations.  For instance the 
problem of sharing always comes up - how can we share with each other - with 
someone who is different etc.  We role play different ages, sexes, etc.  they 
come up with some wonderful ideas and love to illustrate them.  I then tie in 
composition, perspective
(simple overlap and horizon line) etc.  As I said it is sponsored by Martin 
Luther
King Day - our poster that won first place in fourth grade showed the United 
States
and Africa with arms reaching across the ocean to shake hands.  Can;t remember
what the other second place winners were.  Good luck with you ideas. Roberta
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My student teacher wants to do a lesson about molas and use colored sand( see 
other email).  I'm trying to help but can't make a connection between the two.
If anyone has any ideas or can enlighten me, please do so! 
Thank you for all your help.
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Could she  be thinking of mandalas and colored sand?
Heather
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>> > Another Art Nazi, thought I was the only one!
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> Gelato
Art Nazi ? ! "AHHHH Verrrrrrry intersting"
Was Artie Johnson( hope the name is right) also an ART Nazi?
Oh Boy, I'm giving my age away-lol.
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So far as I know, the japanesse actually "stole" this art form from the 
Chinese.   Japanese scholars travelled to China and came back with the 
techniques, and turned it into Sumi-e painting, and a couple of other 
styles.  It is one of the "perfections", along with poetry and 
calligraphy.
Dang, I just read about the names of the different styles...Ill try and 
find it.
Anna
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In a message dated 10/30/00 8:10:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ESears@Anchorage.k12.ky.us writes:
<< the new Smithsonian just came - great article on the Pageant of Masters (
 works of art are recreated with human subjects) - 
 Ellen
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Ellen,
I just went through the new Smithsonian mag, the one with the Art Nouveux 
fiqurine on the cover, and I couldn't find the article or photos.  Were there 
photos too?  I'm assuming I have the right issue but, then again , you know 
what happens when you assume...
Thanx
Gabrielle
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could you use colored chalk?  or is powdered pigment part of the problem?
Susan Holland 
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University of Texas at Austin
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Subject: Re(2): Molas and sand painting?
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Mandala is what came into my mind too. Tibetan Monks make them with colored
sand  
artsednet@lists.getty.edu writes:
>Could she  be thinking of mandalas and colored sand?
>Heather
>
>Rgart58@aol.com wrote:
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>> My student teacher wants to do a lesson about molas and use colored sand(
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Susan Holland 
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I'm thinking ahead a few steps (imagine that!), trying to figure out how =
my younger students will paint their gargoyles.  They'll be using =
plastercraft over newspaper and cardboard, and I was thinking it would =
be cool to give a stone-like appearance to the paint.
While the plastercraft will probably give them enough texture, I was =
just wondering if some sand mixed with the tempera would help with this =
effect.  But I don't know if the sand would stick in the tempera without =
something to bind it. Any suggestions?
To see some of their other projects in the Middle Ages unit (along with =
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Funny you should say that about atheletes. Just today my son, who is a superb 
soccer player, was not bragging about the attention he gets for being a great 
soccer player, but the praise he gets when he does art work at school!  He is 
a very talented artist, much more than me, but also loves music (plays the 
trombone) and other activities.  Being an accomplished artist at 12 helps him 
stand out in his crowd of friends, who are all very good atheletes.
Me, I have four popular, accomplished sisters. I was gauky (sp?) and unsure 
of myself and never felt special until I discovered I was an artist at 13.  
When my students asked me why I teach art, I tell them it makes me feel 
special. And I like to share that feeling with my students. 
:-) Janet
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colored sidewalk chalk rubbed on the sand works very well.
k.Mack
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> Help....I need a way to color white play sand without using powdered
tempera!
> I need the information ASAP so I can get supplies rounded up for Monday
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> Thanks to everyone!
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Last year when I did sandpainting with my younger kids (5th & 6th graders)
we used liquid tempera, and dried it in shallow trays.  Problem was that it
clumped up something awful as it dried!
HOWEVER, this led to a discussion of how the Native Americans (and also
Tibetan monks) would grind up different rocks to produce colored sand, so
this was worked into the project--kids would just grab a chunk of a
particular color and grind it into a container.
We spent one class period grinding up our "problem," and then we used it for
sandpainting the next day.
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      Another Art Nazi, thought I was the only one!
  Gelato
    Hey, Lar, VERY true!  I forgot about that quote!
    But the Art Nazi is running the room!
    (I'm smiling)
    Take the quote to heart then and be an enlightened Nazi - or be a
Roosevelt (walk softly and carry a big stick '>) !)
    If they're going to be running the country, let's make the most of them
as best we can.  It won't help to be the wrong example they think we are, or
might or could be.
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Hi MARTY 
I'm interested- I must have missed the info.
What's the price per pound?
How do I get them...
Thanks Jeanie
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Hi Gabrielle,
The article you are looking for is in the November issue of the Smithsonian.
It's the one with the Lincoln momentoes on the cover.
Sky
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Dear Sharon,
I loved the Sculpey castles you made.  Could you tell me - did you bake
all those castles in the oven before they were painted?  If so, did you
take them home and use your own oven?  I  ordered Sculpey but I don't
like the idea of baking it.
Thanks,
Sky
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In a message dated 11/1/00 10:01:09 PM, heneborn@erols.com writes:
<< Arty, what is the problem? It is just his web site with his art and 
art lessons on it or am I missing something?  Am I remembering
correctly that English is Oscar's  second language? >>
Thank you Sharon. 
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Hi--
Yep, I baked all the castles at home.  This wasn't too bad, in that only one
class was making them.  Last spring my upper school students (4 classes of
them) made wire and sculpey figures
(http://www.art-rageous.net/WireandSculpeyFigures.html ), and EVERY NIGHT
for about a week I was baking various body parts!
While it's an inconvenience, I really like working with this material.  We
don't have an operational kiln, so this is about the only "clay" experience
that my students have.  And while Sculpey is expensive, it's cheaper than
Model Magic (and that's a "pickier" substance, anyhow).
I just use white sculpey and sometimes smaller parts will scorch in the
oven, but this isn't a problem since we paint them anyhow.  I like the fact
that it doesn't air dry, so kids don't have to do anything special to it
between work sessions. :-)
Sharon
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Marty, The magnets were before I joined this group.  Could you send me info
about them?  
Thanks, 
Cindy Erickson 
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> Hi MARTY 
> 
> I'm interested- I must have missed the info.
> What's the price per pound?
> How do I get them...
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> Thanks Jeanie
> 
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> 
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Or Navajo sand paintings?
Heather Leal wrote:
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> Could she  be thinking of mandalas and colored sand?
> Heather
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> > My student teacher wants to do a lesson about molas and use colored sand(
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Heavy fog in SW Michigan this morning.  We are a urban district, so 
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You can use Liquid Watercolors=81 (available from Discount School Supply), or
you can do  heavy use of food coloring.
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You can use liquid tempera too...just spread the colored sand out on
newspaper to dry.
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> Help....I need a way to color white play sand without using powdered tempera!
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FYI Liquid Watercolors can also be found on page 30 in the Sax catalog.
Judy
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You can use Liquid Watercolors=81 (available from Discount School Supply)=
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I'm so happy to hear that!! I love those liquid watercolors, and it's good
to know they are not just in one catalog only. Hooray for Sax.
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> From: "Judy Nagel" <jdnag@elknet.net>
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> FYI Liquid Watercolors can also be found on page 30 in the Sax catalog.
> Judy
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Rick,
I just came upon the ONE World posters from Teaching Tolerence.  They should
be available to schools ( free of charge?)  and they come with a teachers
guide.  There are eight posters from various artists along with quotes.  They
give some good discussion guides.  I also thought I would play John Lennon's
Imagine song and put out a banner in which they can write down their "dream"
for the world and sign it.
Rick wrote:
>
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Thanks so much.  I'm feeling very inspired
Rdunkelart@aol.com wrote:
> The kids were wonderful.  I just threw out the idea of how we can live more
> peaceful
> lives and we did some role playing for certain situations.  For instance the
> problem of sharing always comes up - how can we share with each other - with
> someone who is different etc.  We role play different ages, sexes, etc.  they
> come up with some wonderful ideas and love to illustrate them.  I then tie in
> composition, perspective
> (simple overlap and horizon line) etc.  As I said it is sponsored by Martin
> Luther
> King Day - our poster that won first place in fourth grade showed the United
> States
> and Africa with arms reaching across the ocean to shake hands.  Can;t remember
> what the other second place winners were.  Good luck with you ideas. Roberta
>
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How do I get ahold of a Sax catalog?  do they have an 800 #?
 Cindy
MaryAnn Kohl wrote:
> I'm so happy to hear that!! I love those liquid watercolors, and it's good
> to know they are not just in one catalog only. Hooray for Sax.
> --------------------------------
> MaryAnn F. Kohl
> maryann@brightring.com
> http://www.brightring.com
> --------------------------------
>
> > From: "Judy Nagel" <jdnag@elknet.net>
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> > FYI Liquid Watercolors can also be found on page 30 in the Sax catalog.
> > Judy
>
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http://www.saxarts.com/catalog.html
Go to this link, and request a catalog.
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> How do I get ahold of a Sax catalog?  do they have an 800 #?
> Cindy
 
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Thanks Cindy!  I really like the idea of the John Lennon song.  I did use the
covers of some of the magazines of Teaching Tolerance-  The posters I never saw.
Thanks again,  Betsy
Cindy Schmidt wrote:
> Rick,
>
> I just came upon the ONE World posters from Teaching Tolerence.  They should
> be available to schools ( free of charge?)  and they come with a teachers
> guide.  There are eight posters from various artists along with quotes.  They
> give some good discussion guides.  I also thought I would play John Lennon's
> Imagine song and put out a banner in which they can write down their "dream"
> for the world and sign it.
>
> Rick wrote:
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> >
> >
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 I am not sure if I got this from someone on the list or not, but since a few 
of you were discussing lessons on peace....I thought you might find this 
helpful.
Heather :)
<A HREF="http://rosella.apana.org.au/~mlb/cranes/million.htm">Click here: 
Thousand Cranes Peace Network - A Million Paper Cranes for Peace</A> 
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Ok- first of all I'm not a pro at Asian art forms in case someone becomes 
offended- but I've been really into Japanese Sumi-e painting for the past 
couple of years.  I believe that there are a lot of similarities between the 
two- probably because they were so close geographically.  Chinese brush 
painting seems to encompass tons of different styles from delicate 
watercolor looking techniques to powerful calligraphic paintings that 
resemble some fantastic action painting.  Japanese brush painting varies as 
well but sumi-e painting has a certain look to it.  It's a very disciplined 
style of painting with particular brushstrokes that make up other objects.  
Like there is one brushstroke that could be used to make a leaf or 5 of 
those brushstrokes together to make a bird.  The only way I can describe 
sumi-e is that they do the most with the very least amount of painting.
I've got a lesson on Japanese Screens and Scrolls (where I teach sumi-e) at 
http://www.learnnc.com/learnnc/lessonp.nsf.  Just search for Japanese 
Screens and you'll find 3 lessons that are part of the unit.
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Picasso did a series of images for peace. There are ones
with the dove and probably the most recognized from this
series would be the bouquet of flowers being held by 2
hands from opposite sides, with the flowers in the
center.
Also, go to google and put in "peace symbols". You will
get quite a few sites.  Here are some:
http://www.people4peace.com/links/banners.htm
Sadako:
http://rosella.apana.org.au/~mlb/cranes/bombpix.htm
Hope that helps!
Vivian
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Is Larry another Art Nazi??? 
If it weren't for the troubled kids, I wouldn't have any classes!!!! :-) Deb 
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anna wrote:
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> So far as I know, the japanesse actually "stole" this art form from the
> Chinese.   Japanese scholars travelled to China and came back with the
> techniques, and turned it into Sumi-e painting, and a couple of other
> styles.  It is one of the "perfections", along with poetry and
> calligraphy.
Well, "stole" is a rather harsh term to use.  My references say that
Buddhist priests from China brought the art to Japan, which adopted it
readily.
Bunki, I talked with the exchange student today.  He brought a book with
comparisons between Chinese art and Western art.  He still couldn't
explain how he can tell Chinese from Japanese brush painting, other than
he thinks the Japanese style is "simpler"--by which I think he means the
compositions tended to be simpler and less detailed.  He also thinks the
Japanese faces are drawn more like cartoons.  Mind you, this is a
teenager infatuated with the West, so he probably hasn't studied Asian
art with any great interest.
As we looked through a couple of my books together, we noted that the
Japanese scenes are often done from a high vantage point, with roofs
removed from interiors so the viewer can look down into the houses.
Here's a couple of quotes from one book: 
"According to records, at least from the 8th century Chinese subjects
and scenes on screens were used to decorate and partition rooms at the
Imperial Palace...Secular paintings with Japanese themes and scenery
became increasingly popular in the 10th century...Stylistically,
both...derived from the same brightly pigmented and richly detailed
color painting tradition of Tang China."
"The Japanization of culture...is noticeable in all fields, especially
from the second half of the Heian period (794-1185)...in the ninth
century, the Japanese broke diplomatic relations with China.  As a
result, although the Japanese still widely acknowledged the Chinese
contribution to their culture, they increasingly developed a deep-seated
pride in their own indigenous traditions.  In the arts, a highly refined
aesthetic evolved that derived from a proufound appreciation of the
Japanese landscape and climate."
So, this is probably more than you really wanted to know, and doesn't
really answer your question.  Could we infer that there's probably not
much difference stylistically, but in subject matter?
Maggie
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In a message dated 11/3/00 5:08:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
skygeoff@home.com writes:
<< 
 The article you are looking for is in the November issue of the Smithsonian.
 It's the one with the Lincoln momentoes on the cover.
 
 Sky
  >>
Thanks Sky!  I didn't even look for a date.  I asked the counter person at 
borders to help me find it and that's not the one I saw.
I'm very passionate about the Pageant of the Masters.  I've been following it 
for a few years now.  I'm trying to work it into my advance class this spring.
Peace
Gabrielle
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In a message dated 11/3/00 7:25:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
mwhiteaz@cybertrails.com writes:
> So, this is probably more than you really wanted to know, and doesn't
> really answer your question.  Could we infer that there's probably not
> much difference stylistically, but in subject matter?
> 
> Maggie
> 
> 
I took a some courses of Chinese brush painting in Singapore, and from my 
learning there I know that both Chinese and Japanese painting is based on ink 
and the brush stroke. 
Chinese traditionally tends to have more detail and more color and is more 
refined, generally, and Japanese traditionally tends to be black ink, fewer 
colors and fewer details, again generally.
A few examples of both illustrates this well and its not too hard to 
distinguish them after a time.
Artie.
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So, this is probably more than you really wanted to know, and doesn't
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<BR>Maggie
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<BR>I took a some courses of Chinese brush painting in Singapore, and from my <BR>learning there I know that both Chinese and Japanese painting is based on ink <BR>and the brush stroke. 
<BR>Chinese traditionally tends to have more detail and more color and is more <BR>refined, generally, and Japanese traditionally tends to be black ink, fewer <BR>colors and fewer details, again generally.
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Know of people looking for a job?  Pass this along to them.
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> We have a number of immediate art openings in Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC.
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Use salt instead of sand.  Sand is difficult to dye.  I was a dinner the 
other night and the sister of the hostess had made the most delightful center 
pieces by using food color and regular table salt that she had purchased from 
the local dollar store. She poured the sand in mason jars and decorated the 
lids with silk flowers. Sand is silica so it is very difficult to color.  The 
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<HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FACE="Metro" LANG="0">Use salt instead of sand. &nbsp;Sand is difficult to dye. &nbsp;I was a dinner the <BR>other night and the sister of the hostess had made the most delightful center <BR>pieces by using food color and regular table salt that she had purchased from <BR>the local dollar store. She poured the sand in mason jars and decorated the <BR>lids with silk flowers. Sand is silica so it is very difficult to color. &nbsp;The <BR>salt is porus, so color is beautifully absorbed into it.</FONT></HTML>
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Dear Pennsylvania Arts Educators,
Another month has passed already!  How are your lessons and projects
progressing for the Arts Institute resource page?  What resources are
available in developing your standards-based lessons?  Contribute your
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Anyone out there have a good source for individual art prints?
Inexpensive?
Thanks,
Kimberly
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I am trying  a marbleized paper technique.  It uses a liquid starch poured into
a cake pan and colored chalk.  The students shave chalk dust onto the starch
where it floats.  They can drag patterns or swirl the colors, then lift a print
by laying paper on the surface.  I think the starch can be thinned with water.
I want to use this in a lesson about Japanese prints.  I'm wondering if this is
an intellectually honest way to represent Suminagashi, a water print technique
that uses floating ink.    
Susan Holland 
Visual Art Studies
University of Texas at Austin
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I don't ,now how"good" you want them to be, but I have wonderful luck with 
buying calenders of art reporoductions and then separating and laminating 
them. THat way they are a bit stronger and can be ahndeled by the kids 
without as much fear of dammage. 
Crystal Publications has good brpints also in a variety of classifications 
but they are not inexpensive.
Hope this helps. ALice Ann  in Bowling Green
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This technique can be done successfully with just plain water with chalk
floated on top.
Leah
> I am trying  a marbleized paper technique.  It uses a liquid starch poured
into
> a cake pan and colored chalk.  The students shave chalk dust onto the
starch
> where it floats.  They can drag patterns or swirl the colors, then lift a
print
> by laying paper on the surface.  I think the starch can be thinned with
water.
>
> I want to use this in a lesson about Japanese prints.  I'm wondering if
this is
> an intellectually honest way to represent Suminagashi, a water print
technique
> that uses floating ink.
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There's a great book out entitled Teaching Art with Books Kids Love, which 
would be perfect for what you are looking for.  The author is Darcie Clark 
Frohardt, published by Fulcrum Publishing.  The ISBN is 1-55591-406-3, 
published in 1999.
www.fulcrum-resources.com    $17.95
Hope this helps!
Holly
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Art Image Publications is a good source for individual prints.  They are very 
reasonable.  I can get more information on them if you are interested.
Holly
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Kimberly,
I can't help you out with the videos, but at school I do have a picture =
book about Harriet Tubman illustrated by Jacob Lawrence.  I'm not sure =
who wrote the text, but it's in poem format.  A very nice book!
-Lydia in Toledo
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<< Cranes >>
Thanks for the great website on Peace (The Thousand Cranes Peace Network).
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> I'm thinking ahead a few steps (imagine that!), trying to figure out
> how my younger students will paint their gargoyles.  They'll be using
> plastercraft over newspaper and cardboard, and I was thinking it would
> be cool to give a stone-like appearance to the paint.
> Sharon,
> I don't know if you can afford it, but Fleckstone is a spray paint
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> stone like appearance. comes in all kinds of colors.
> Gelato
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thinking ahead a few steps (imagine that!), trying to figure out how my
younger students will paint their gargoyles.&nbsp; They'll be using plastercraft
over newspaper and cardboard, and I was thinking it would be cool to give
a stone-like appearance to the paint.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1></font></font>&nbsp;
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Sharon,</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I don't know if you can afford it,
but Fleckstone is a spray paint found in the hardware store/building supply
stores that gives a great stone like appearance. comes in all kinds of
colors.</font></font>
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FYI  If you look in the Sax catalog on page 542 you will see Krylon Make =
It Stone and also Sandstone Textural Acrylics.  Both products will give =
you the stone look.  Hope this helps.  Judy
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    Sharon,=20
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In a message dated 11/4/00 8:48:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
litesal@email.msn.com writes:
<< The students shave chalk dust onto the
 starch
 > where it floats.  They can drag patterns or swirl the colors, then lift a
 print
 > by laying paper on the surface.  I think the starch can be thinned with
 water.
 >
 > I want to use this in a lesson about Japanese prints.  I'm wondering if
 this is
 > an intellectually honest way to represent Suminagashi, a water print
 technique
 > that uses floating ink. >>
Think when I did this years ago I just floated ink and then equal amount of 
oil on
top of water - swirled and pulled a paper print.  The floating chalk dust 
works great
with just water.  The liquid starch can be saved for thinned acrylic paint 
floated on top.  Roberta
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One of my co-workers purchased a nice wooden Bambara sculpture of a 
woman and her child. The bad part is that it has several cracks in 
it. Is there a way to stop or slow down cracking in wood? I don't 
know how old the sculpture is. Even here, they sometimes "age" it to 
make it look older. How can you prevent wood sculptures from cracking 
in the first place?
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In a message dated 11/3/00 11:53:06 AM Central Standard Time, 
cindyselvaggio@earthlink.net writes:
<<  FYI Liquid Watercolors can also be found on page 30 in the Sax catalog.
 > > Judy >>
Still love those Sax liquid watercolors - great strength - stain the paper 
but can be lifted when fresh.  Will clean out of a carpet without staining!!  
 Old carpet over 20 years 
old - spilled cerulean blue - looked hopeless but shampooer got it all out!!! 
 Roberta  
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On 11/4/00 4:30 AM, sewnart at sewnart@ili.net wrote:
> Anyone out there have a good source for individual art prints?
> Inexpensive?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kimberly
Write to Art Prints for Children for a free catalog. PO Box 675,
Hollidayburg, PA  16648
My favorite is Art Image Publications, PO Box 568, Champlain, NY 12919. They
have different packages and selections, groupings,... for very reasonable
prices.
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My book, Discovering Great Artists, has a page called "Art Resources", on
page 5, if you can get to a copy, there are many suggestions of resources,
addresses, and so on.
One time I color-photocopied (and enlarged) graphics from a poster book of
great art...and then I scanned the art copies, then printed them on
transparencies for classroom use.
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I added the new Peace site links posted to the list (Thanks all!). Please
keep posting new ones you find. I did my search in IxQuick and didn't find
much. Those of you who used Google may have found more good sites.
My Vietnam/Peace page is:
http://www2.wcoil.com/~mdecker/vietnam.htm
(Click on Anti-War Movement to get to the Peace sites)
The People for Peace site has lesson plans. I may do a search for artwork
related to Peace and add to this page...I will let you know.
I have had about enough computer for one day. We lost Outlook (kept locking
up the machine and wouldn't open...I know it was a sign to go outside an
play.....but...)....so I uninstalled...re-installed...still didn't work
(AAACCCKKK). So finally reinstalled the whole Office CD. Fortunately, I
didn't loose my address book or folders in Outlook. But what a hassle!
Technology is only grand ....when it works. But it was all worth it (smile).
I wanted to tell you folks about the updates (ha-ha).
Judy Decker
P.S. For those who know Joseph....Joseph is fine and working on his
Cycle...he is giving it a new paint job. He has been working on sculptures
too (that sound really interesting). I just had to check up on him since he
had the bike back and was feeling fearless (ha-ha).
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---So far as I know, the japanesse actually "stole" this art form from the 
Chinese. Japanese scholars travelled to China and came back with the 
techniques, and turned it into Sumi-e painting, and a couple of other 
styles. It is one of the "perfections", along with poetry and calligraphy.
----Maggie- "Well, "stole" is a rather harsh term to use. My references say 
that Buddhist priests from China brought the art to Japan, which adopted it 
 readily"
Oh Jeepers!
My apologies for being..."harsh".  My intent is not to offend here, and I 
hope the point was not lost becasue of the word STOLE!  Geez, artists 
BORROW, SHARE, and TAKE  ideas and techniques all the time from around the 
world, and I am quite glad for it!  And as I said, that was just my 
understanding, that I read from a book on Japanese Sumi-e painting.  It 
seems that Maggie has dug up some more specific and different information, 
that's great I always like to hear as much as I can to figure out perhaps 
what really happened.  Just trying to share what I read.
Good luck with it all, I enjoy all the various styles.  I have done a 
Sumi-e project (as part of a Eastern Art unit)with my fifth graders for a 
few years now, and they really love it.  We start with Chinese dragons in 
foil releif, then go to Japan for a tea ceremony and Sumi-e painting.  They 
really get into the legends, symbolism, and connections with nature of this 
unit.  Relaxing.  Ahhh.
Take care,
Anna
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I gave up trying to find any "authoritative" sites about Picasso's Peace
series. I did find some posters at the following site:
http://www.artmodes.com/Picasso/picasso.html
http://www.artmodes.com/Picasso-prints-3/picasso-prints-3.html
http://www.artmodes.com/Picasso-prints-4/picasso-prints-4.html
http://www.artmodes.com/Picasso-prints-5/picasso-prints-5.html
Please let us know if any of you found some good sites about Art about Peace
(other than those posted already).
Thanks!
Judy Decker
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 RE:  One World Posters
Teaching Tolerence is a department of
Southern Poverty Law Center.  (SPLC.com?)
I think if you fax them a letter on school letterhead they will send you the One
World Posters and the Teachers Guide.  They also should send you on a regular basis
the Magazine Teaching Tolerence which gives numerous examples of teaching diversity
lessons throughout the nation.  A great resource.
Call to find out for sure.  Phone:  334-264--0286
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I love <snrk>!!!  congratulations!
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Subject: art ideas up and ready
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I just put all new art ideas on my webpage, so drop by and enjoy!
I have one from each book I have written. They change each quarter.
Hope you like 'em!
Go to:
http://brightring.com/Fun%20Activities.html
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Thanks Judy~~ Betsy
mdecker wrote:
> I gave up trying to find any "authoritative" sites about Picasso's Peace
> series. I did find some posters at the following site:
> http://www.artmodes.com/Picasso/picasso.html
>
> http://www.artmodes.com/Picasso-prints-3/picasso-prints-3.html
>
> http://www.artmodes.com/Picasso-prints-4/picasso-prints-4.html
>
> http://www.artmodes.com/Picasso-prints-5/picasso-prints-5.html
>
> Please let us know if any of you found some good sites about Art about Peace
> (other than those posted already).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Judy Decker
>
> ---
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Here is a site about the "Kid's Guernica Project"
http://www.artjapan.com/GUERNICA-ART-NEWS.html
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> You  should check out the Polyform site (that's who makes Sculpey).  
> They
> have great project sheets.  The beige Super Sculpey is super strong 
> if
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> Diannabananana
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Anyone have any nice ideas on how to make a baby shower special?  My
friend, a Librarian, is expecting her first and has already had a shower
where she got just about everything so we are giving her a book shower of
baby books.  Hubby is a baseball fan, they THINK it's a boy.  I need
advice on party favors, a theme, centerpieces, things to do, etc.   Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
Diannabanana
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Thanks for that recommendation. I found that on amazon and added it to the
wish list. 4 pages and counting.
Kimberly Herbert ( kimberly@wcc.net <mailto:kimberly@wcc.net> )
CAM Administrator
San Angelo Museum of Fine Arts/Children's Art Museum
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Kimberly,
I can't help you out with the videos, but at school I do have a picture book
about Harriet Tubman illustrated by Jacob Lawrence.  I'm not sure who wrote
the text, but it's in poem format.  A very nice book!
-Lydia in Toledo
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counting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> L. E. Horvath
[mailto:dulcius@mindspring.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November =
04, 2000
8:50 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ArtsEdNet Talk<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> ArtsEdNet Talk<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> wish list - =
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help you out with the videos, but at school I do have a picture book =
about
Harriet Tubman illustrated by Jacob Lawrence.&nbsp; I'm not sure who =
wrote the
text, but it's in poem format.&nbsp; A very nice =
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I have done a great baby gift for a staff member in my school.  I had 
everyone who wanted to participate design and color (in reverse) a square 
with fabric crayons for the new baby. Then I transferred each square onto a 
white piece of fabric, sewed a baby fabric and quilting polyester between and 
made a baby blanket.  The Mom cherished it! I've also given everyone a ball 
of yarn and sewed them to knit or crochet squares and then I put them 
together for a blanket..that is asking a lot of the staff as most people 
DON't crochet...but the other is easy..then could even design the square on 
the computer and put it on special transfer paper....great gift for 
retirement too !
Robin
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Thank you so very much Oscar for sharing such a wonderful site with us.
I enjoy seeing your work.
Donna
Well said Sharon!
Sharon Henneborn wrote: If you have never lived in a foreign country and
experienced the communication bombs maybe you are not sensitive to the
possibilities.  Please welcome him and cut him a break.
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Thank you so very much Oscar for sharing such a wonderful site with us.
I enjoy seeing your work.
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<p>Well said Sharon!
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Holly112@aol.com wrote:
My students, too have to "settle in to begin working"
At lunch this has been a big topic of ours. Kids just keep getting more
non committed each year. I started this week waiting for them to settle
down. I wait, silently watching them..... BUT, since they are taking up
my time to teach, I take up their time at the end of the period. However
long it takes for them to settle down and get started, they owe me that
much time at the end of the period. Also, the last table to get to the
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<p><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#800080"><font size=-1>At lunch this
has been a big topic of ours. Kids just keep getting more non committed
each year. I started this week waiting for them to settle down. I wait,
silently watching them..... BUT, since they are taking up my time to teach,
I take up their time at the end of the period. However long it takes for
them to settle down and get started, they owe me that much time at the
end of the period. Also, the last table to get to the Do Now, is the last
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Hi all...
When I took my job and explored my supply closets I
found some curious materials. I have huge bags of foam
shapes. Circles mostly. I wish I could think of a way
to explain their density- not as thick and heavy as
sponges- they resemble the cheap sponges used for
crafty printing/stenciling.  What in the world can I
do with them?  I teach middle school. There are so
many that I could feasibly build towers. BTW- I have
alrady done a printmaking project this semester, but I
suppose I could do one with these sponges next
semester with my new crop of students coming after
Christmas. I have no money left over from my budget
and I am running out of the basics. I still have tons
of glue however, so I plan to do paper mache, I have
yarn to do weavings, and clay (hopefully enough to
last through June), and glazes. I have a ton of
drawing paper, but my paint will have to be stretched
thin- my water colors are all but nonexistent after my
seventh graders used them.
It was so difficult to order supplies not knowing how
much each student would actually use! (My first year
in case you don't know me yet) But I guess it's one of
those things you learn the hard way. At first I was
sending this message for suggestions on what to do
with limited materials, but as I type, the wheels are
turning....
origami, marblizing paper, paper mache (I plan to make
"mummies" and shoe box sarcophagi with 6th graders)
It really seems like paper mache is a poor art
teachers dream.. we'll see...I haven't taught it yet.
Luckily by middle school most students know how to do
it already. Whew, I'm babbling... must be the Saturday
night 2 glasses of wine talking....
Jayna
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Beautiful site,  Thanks
Cindy
Don Krug wrote:
> Here is a site about the "Kid's Guernica Project"
>
> http://www.artjapan.com/GUERNICA-ART-NEWS.html
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> Don Krug
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    Yeah, sometimes you wonder why some kids sign up for art. The counsellors 
put them in your class because they have a hard time placing them anywhere 
else. They can be destructive, don't work and bother others. But somehow 
you've got to nurse them along and incorporate them into the class. When you 
get several of these students (usually guys) in a class, you've got a real 
problem because you can't trust them with materials and it starts to make 
things tough on the rest of the kids who really enjoy the art projects. When 
you're teaching art in school, no matter the grade level, that seems to be 
the nature of the beast. Fortunately, they're usually greatly in the 
minority, but can be a real pain, nonetheless. 
Dennis in CA
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Jayna,
If you can marble paper, you can then make books from it. Beg leftover mat 
board from a frame shop. Mix a good cooked glue with cornstarch and water and 
Elmer's. 
Make lots of books. One for each subject, or for artists or sketch books.
Maybe you have a place like Kinkos for the text block paper. They give us 
boxes free. Also supermarkets give away brown paper bags. They make wonder 
marble paper for good strong books.
Leslie in Framingham
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    Good point Larry, excellent! But are some kids afraid to create? They'll 
engage in all sorts of avoidance tactics. I always get a few who literally 
you have to wonder why they were placed in art. Perhaps the other kids have 
laughed at their attempts to draw or paint and they've decided to avoid any 
subjection to ridicule. Their self-esteem wasn't high to begin with. How do 
you get these kids to at least try? Encouraging them, cajoling them, 
challenging them...sometimes just letting them be. 
Dennis in CA
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In a message dated 11/4/00 10:02:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, djash@ibm.net 
writes:
> However long it takes for them to settle down and get started, they owe me 
> that much time at the end of the period.  
> 
Hi Donna,
We only have 3 minutes between classes, and I have a new class entering 
during that time, so that wouldn't work for me. I'd like to have detention 
during my lunch period, but the offending classes have core classes then...  
I'll have to check out what options I have with my AP I guess......
Thanx for sharing.  My schedule won't be this one forever!  Maybe one day I 
can do  what you said!
Holly   :0)
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<HTML><FONT  COLOR="#800080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Tahoma" LANG="0">In a message dated 11/4/00 10:02:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, djash@ibm.net <BR>writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">However long it takes for them to settle down and get started, they owe me <BR>that much time at the end of the period. &nbsp;
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<BR>Hi Donna,
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<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">We only have 3 minutes between classes, and I have a new class entering <BR>during that time, so that wouldn't work for me. I'd like to have detention <BR>during my lunch period, but the offending classes have core classes then... &nbsp;<BR>I'll have to check out what options I have with my AP I guess......
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 > Subject: Help with colored sand
 > 
 > Help....I need a way to color white play sand without using powdered 
tempera!
 > I need the information ASAP so I can get supplies rounded up for Monday
 > morning.
 > Thanks to everyone!
 >  >>
Sand Coloring
Fine sand; Water; Food coloring; Paper cups; Plastic spoons
Fill paper cups half full with sand. Next, add water to cups to completely 
cover sand. Add food coloring to get the desired color. Stir with plastic 
spoon and let set for 15 minutes. Pour off water, spoon sand onto paper 
towels and spread the sand out to dry.
0r
put sand in zip lock bags and added drops of food coloring.  I 
let student carefully shake the sand in the bags until the color was 
distributed evenly.or
use powdered tempera and mix with sand
or
use salt and rub with chalk to get the colors we want. You put the salt on 
a paper plate and then rub 1 color to mix it to the right intensity. It's not 
as real but it works.Place sand in a pie tin (or other flat
container) and rub colored chalk over it (on the side of the
chalk).  As the chalk becomes dust, it mixes with the sand and
causes it to become colored.  Again, the colors are brighter
when you use white salt instead of sand.
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> But are some kids afraid to create? They'll
> engage in all sorts of avoidance tactics.
Yes, Dennis, creativity is "risk" taking.  I see this among artists all the
time.  A definition of professional artists it would appear are those that
have put all this fear of risk behind them, but not necessarily so.  Some
have reputation to maintain, and part of them wants to go new directions.
They've worked so hard to present evidence of their talent onto others, and
keep their experimentations quite secret.
On Wetcanvas.com ...I have fun with this.  As an artist...I wish to show
what I'm capable of, to express myself.  Of course not to express
mistakes...!  As an art instructor, I'm obligated to transparency for the
purpose of encouraging and teaching others, so the mistakes I would hide as
an artist are part of the complete package as an instructor!
I just submitted a conte self-portrait lesson on Wetcanvas.com's "how-to"
Artschool...which should be up in a few days.  My juniors and seniors have
been working with mirrors and portraiture.  I walked them thru steps of
breaking down the face; had them try their hand at pictures of models from
magazines, and now working on themselves.
Its a scary venture.  One...to draw from a live model.  Two, to be honest at
their age, when appearance and finding acceptance is everything...to
discover and not cover their imperfections.  Three...the contemplative
prospective of peering into their own soul thru the window of their eyes.
I realized after a couple days...I was going to have to demonstrate the
"risk"....and broke out a mirror, grabbed a set of conte crayons, and sat
amongst them.  A couple things happen.  One, their confidence that it CAN be
done is assured, or at least..."someone" can do it.  Two, confidence in
their instructor so that his/her assurances can be taken with a faith based
on more trust.  Third, they see how the instructor/artist handles mistakes.
My work progressed quickly, and rather well.  However...in the process of
getting up every five minutes to help others, it was a struggle remembering
to set my face in the same pose looking back in the mirror!  After about 45
minutes of work...I had set my eyes too far apart and not extended my hair
high enough...giving myself that Cromagnon look!
It was important not to protect my ego and dispense with that notion that my
talent prevents me from making failures.  Instead...I allowed myself to be
exampled, and that the notion that success is built upon many failures to be
seen and demonstrated.  I decided my kids weren't the only one that needed
to see that transparency, and THAT's when I decided my demo needed to be put
up on Wetcanvas.com where artists all over the world could see.  So great is
this sense of risk taking...and fear to experiment at the risk of the ego
"slain"...that artists cower frequently.  Yes...so, our dear children
especially!
I also demonstrated how to use a kneaded eraser and correct the mistake.
How NOT to panic, but over time learn how to recover.
> Perhaps the other kids have laughed at their attempts to draw
> or paint and they've decided to avoid any subjection to ridicule.
Yes....kids are so very cruel.  I warn my students however...that I am quite
capable with the using of words and critique, of thoroughly destroying and
demeaning ANYONE's work in front of the whole class if necessary....such to
be demonstrated if I hear ANYBODY slam another person's work!!  Sounds cruel
on my part...but, by proclaiming such early on in the new quarter or
term...I've not had to make any such examples!
We really are sideline coaches, sending them in with plays and confidence,
but we are also the cheerleaders- encouraging them on to victory.  We have a
great calling.  If we can take the world's messes.  If we can take those
kids whose lives are in such turmoil, who do not know the love and care of
parents that are there for them, and by our enthusiasm and personal
attention get them just to "find a little evidence" that they can accomplish
beyond what they thought possible.....we are on a path of healing and
change.  We have successfully thrown a safety life ring.
> Their self-esteem wasn't high to begin with. How do
> you get these kids to at least try? Encouraging them, cajoling them,
> challenging them...sometimes just letting them be.
> Dennis in CA
Yes...all these things.  I think it also requires the art teacher to realize
he/she is not JUST a teacher teaching a nonacademic class that doesn't
count.  This is difficult since so many of us are not taken seriously on
staff.  We are social engineering.  We are like it or not, in a position to
redeem...to bring hope to the hopeless.  We have a mission, and we need to
remain clear on this.  Our victories may never be accounted to us here.  For
me...I have Another whom is aware of such, and such is enough to give me
encouragement to go on.  For others whom find such transcendency pathetic
and dangerous...you need to find something that will help you see the good
you are doing such that the patience to BE patient...the anticipation to
continue to anticipate break thrus succeeds thru trying times.  It is
accumulative.  Yet, is it not the best payment to have a student years later
come back to tell you how much your efforts meant to him/her and how it had
a force in affecting their lives?   Good luck all....
Larry Seiler
http://lseiler.artistnation.com
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*NOTE:  THIS POST IS IN ANSWER TO A POST I READ ABOUT A WEEK AGO.  MY
COMPUTER DECIDED IT DIDN'T LIKE TO SEND TO THE GETTY LIST AND I HAD TO
FIGURE THINGS OUT...
I'll add some of my thoughts in the body of the post, clipping some here
and
there.
>
> I tried calm, classical music but the din is either so loud it can't even be
> heard, or they keep trying to change it to a radio rap station.
Keep in mind I currently teach middle school, but have taught high
school.  A
student who messed with my CD player would have stepped way over my
personal
boundary for what is mine and what is his/hers.  This might be easier
for me to
establish because I am nearing 50 and have achieved a level of comfort
with those
boundaries.  So, I'd have some sort of consequences for touching it.  
The art
nazi, for sure!  But when a student feels she has the right to come into
a room
and manipulate it to meet her own needs, there is a message there that
you are
not in charge.  She is.
> Rather than
> listen to the music they got louder and their behavior worsened.  So I'm
> wondering, maybe not much works for teachers new to a school that has these
> types of needy, attention getting, rude students.  Maybe all the advice we
> implement will only work IN TIME.  Do you think this is the case?
I kind of think that what improves in time is your understanding of what
things
really hinder your progress, control, etc.  Some things just don't work,
and you
will learn what they are and add them to your mental list.  For example,
I have
recently learned that it does NOT work to have three kids out on the
patio using
the potter's wheel alone.  It really DOES NOT WORK and I won't do it
again!
>
>
> In the meantime, its so frustrating.  Anyone who has another idea that hasn't
> been mentioned, all of us people in the "discouraged boat" need to keep
> hearing your solutions.  THe one I just can't master with these rude classes
> is the low voice or the wait for silence approach.
The wait for silence approach usually only works with classes that are
basically
easy-going anyway.  I don't use it anymore.
> I'll try to watch harder for gum chewing and eating, which they manage to do
> quite successfully, even though I think I'm on the ball.
Oddly enough, I allow the kids to eat and chew gum as long as they do it
politely
and I don't find wrappers.  I've been known to bring in cookies for
them,
myself.   I take the privilege away when I do and they usually get much
better at
policing themselves.  Then, of course, there is the greasy fingers issue
and I
just explain that there are some projects that don't mix with food very
well.
>
>
> The one thing I do that does work a little is being nice to the worst behaved
> kids, after they've been insubordinate or been written up.
This is a good approach.  The more you know them, in my experience, the
more
embarrassed they are to really misbehave.  Although they will test you. 
The
trick is to let them know that you care about them, and while you hold
them
accountable for their behavior, you are ready to work with them when
they are
ready.
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AGAIN...A TARDY POST
You wrote:
Whatever I played was greeted with moans and groans.  The
varied ethnic groups were never happy with each others view of music.
That's just the thing, I absolutely allow no personal choice in the
music.  It is
my CD player, my classroom, my environment, mine to set the ambiance as
a part of
the educational experience I want to share.  Anytime I have let any
student have
anything to do at all with the music I have had the same problem.  But
they sure
do ask a lot in the beginning.  I've been known to stretch the truth and
tell
them I am not allowed to play their music.  And, in truth, some teachers
in our
district have unknowingly played some real trash in their rooms when
they play
student CD's.
Oh...I also don't allow personal CD players.  But I'm rethinking this. 
What do
you all think?  I certainly wouldn't allow them during instructional
time.
Jen in Tallahassee
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<<Oh...I also don't allow personal CD players.  But I'm rethinking this. =
What do you all think?>>
Last year at the beginning of the 2nd semester I began allowing students =
to bring CD players to class.  The rules were pretty simple:
1.  There was to be no sharing of CDs in the classroom--what you walked =
into the room with was what you listened to, and you didn't exchange CDs =
with classmates. =20
2.  The volume had to be kept so low that I couldn't hear it as I walked =
by their table. (I didn't monitor what they were listening to, but just =
told them that no one else should be able to hear it.)
3.  They could only be used after I'd given instructions for the day--so =
they weren't allowed to walk into the room with them on.  Obviously, =
they weren't to be used during lectures--ha!  Also, they needed to put =
them away before they left the art room because our school has a "no CD =
players during the academic day" rule.
4.  NO SINGING!! :-)
This really worked surprisingly well.  It dramatically cut down on the =
amount of talking, and some of my more distractable kids found it much =
easier to work on their projects.  Most of them said it really helped =
them focus.
I didn't start out this year with this "privilege" and I may wait until =
we start painting again before allowing it. (We'll be working on =
sculpture next trimester and I think they'd get in the way.) =20
But all things considered, it worked well for us.
Sharon
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&lt;&lt;Oh...I also don't allow =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last year at the beginning of the 2nd =
semester I=20
began allowing students to bring CD players to class.&nbsp; The rules =
were=20
pretty simple:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1.&nbsp; There was to be no sharing of =
CDs in the=20
classroom--what you walked into the room with was what you listened to, =
and you=20
didn't&nbsp;exchange CDs with classmates.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2.&nbsp; The volume had to be kept so =
low that I=20
couldn't hear it as I walked by their table. (I didn't monitor what they =
were=20
listening to, but just told them that no one else should be able to hear =
it.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3.&nbsp; They could only be used after =
I'd given=20
instructions for the day--so they weren't allowed to walk into the room=20
with&nbsp;them on.&nbsp; Obviously, they weren't to be used during=20
lectures--ha!&nbsp; Also, they needed to put them away before they left =
the art=20
room because our school has a "no CD players during the academic day"=20
rule.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4.&nbsp; NO SINGING!! :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This really worked surprisingly =
well.&nbsp; It=20
dramatically cut down on the amount of talking, and some of my more =
distractable=20
kids found it much easier to work on their projects.&nbsp; Most of them =
said it=20
really helped them focus.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I didn't start out this year with this =
"privilege"=20
and I may wait until we start painting again before allowing =
it.&nbsp;(We'll be=20
working on sculpture next trimester and I think they'd get in the =
way.)&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But all things considered, it worked =
well for=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>Sharon<BR>WEBSITE: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.bigfoot.com/~artrageous">http://www.bigfoot.com/~artra=
geous</A><BR>Featuring=20
art and art lesson plans, examples of my<BR>artwork, genealogy =
resources,=20
information about <BR>contra dancing and Celtic music--and =
more!<BR>EMAIL: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:artrageous@bigfoot.com">artrageous@bigfoot.com</A><BR>AIM:=
 SKBK56,=20
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Melissa,
I just read this last night in a book on Arfican art -
"Green wood cracks when it dries too quickly, so the sculptor rubs oil =
into the wood to slow the drying process.  A well made wood carving is =
rubbed with palm or castor oil daily for at least two weeks."
-Lydia in Toledo
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Jayna,
is the stuff you're talking about sort of a foam rubber kind of stuff?  =
Could it possibly be Penscore?  I ordered some of that this year, and =
it's like really thick funfoam.  It can be heated to accept an =
impression of whatever you press into it.  You can also color on it with =
water base markers and stamp a design.  Is your stuff a pastel color?
-Lydia in Toledo
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>   > <<Oh...I also don't allow personal CD players.  But I'm rethinking this. 
> What do you all think?>>
> 
> Last year at the beginning of the 2nd semester I began allowing students to bring CD players to class.  The rules were pretty simple:  <snip>
> 
> 3.  They could only be used after I'd given instructions for the day--so they weren't allowed to walk into the room with them on.  Obviously, they weren't to be used during lectures--ha!  Also, they needed to put them away before they left the art room because our school has a "no CD players during the academic day" rule.
> 
> This really worked surprisingly well.  It dramatically cut down on the amount of talking, and some of my    > more distractable kids found it much easier to work on their projects.  Most of them said it really helped  > them focus.
We used to allow personal stereos, too, 'til it got to the point where
students would pretend not to hear you (in class or the hallway) because
they had their earphones on; they would look straight at you, and then
turn away (in other words, they heard us calling their name).  So we
banned their use in the building.  
Like Sharon, I don't have a problem with them in my classroom, but
unlike Sharon I feel I need to follow school policy--it sets a bad
example when one or two teachers ignore a policy.  I tell the students
that I have rules to follow, too.  Sharon, will you respond to this?
Maggie
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Holly
I have done this also with only three minutes passing.  It does work.
I give the warning that I am going to watch the clock and if they see me =
watching the clock they know they are giving up their passing time to =
the next class.
they may loose 10 sec., 20 sec. 30 sec. ...1 min...
If they aren't getting it, I write the sec. on the board
they learn very quickly that every sec. counts
In one or just a few days, it doesn't have to be done any more. If the =
problem arrises again I start watching the clock again. =20
Diane
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Holly112@aol.com=20
  To: ArtsEdNet Talk=20
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  Subject: Re: (Barb) WARNING:long & whiny! U may want to delete
  In a message dated 11/4/00 10:02:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
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  writes:=20
    However long it takes for them to settle down and get started, they =
owe me=20
    that much time at the end of the period.  =20
  Hi Donna,=20
  We only have 3 minutes between classes, and I have a new class =
entering=20
  during that time, so that wouldn't work for me. I'd like to have =
detention=20
  during my lunch period, but the offending classes have core classes =
then... =20
  I'll have to check out what options I have with my AP I guess......=20
  Thanx for sharing.  My schedule won't be this one forever!  Maybe one =
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  can do  what you said!=20
  Holly   :0)=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Holly</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have done this also with only three =
minutes=20
passing.&nbsp; It does work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I give the warning that I am going to =
watch the=20
clock and if they see me watching the clock they know they are giving up =
their=20
passing time to the next class.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>they may loose 10 sec., 20 sec. 30 sec. =
..1=20
min...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If they aren't getting it, I write the =
sec. on the=20
board</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>they learn very quickly that every sec. =
counts</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In one or just a few days, it doesn't =
have to be=20
done any more.&nbsp;If the problem arrises again I start watching the =
clock=20
again.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diane</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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Standard=20
  Time, <A href=3D"mailto:djash@ibm.net">djash@ibm.net</A> <BR>writes:=20
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  TYPE=3D"CITE">However long it takes for them to settle down and get =
started,=20
    they owe me <BR>that much time at the end of the period. &nbsp;=20
    <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DTahoma color=3D#800080 size=3D2=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hi Donna, <BR><BR></FONT><FONT =
lang=3D0=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">We only =
have 3 minutes=20
  between classes, and I have a new class entering <BR>during that time, =
so that=20
  wouldn't work for me. I'd like to have detention <BR>during my lunch =
period,=20
  but the offending classes have core classes then... &nbsp;<BR>I'll =
have to=20
  check out what options I have with my AP I guess...... <BR><BR>Thanx =
for=20
  sharing. &nbsp;My schedule won't be this one forever! &nbsp;Maybe one =
day I=20
  <BR>can do &nbsp;what you said!</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DTahoma =
color=3D#800080=20
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face=3D"Futura Bk BT"=20
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Subject: Re: personal CD players
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<<Like Sharon, I don't have a problem with them in my classroom, but
unlike Sharon I feel I need to follow school policy--it sets a bad
example when one or two teachers ignore a policy.  I tell the students
that I have rules to follow, too.  Sharon, will you respond to this?>>
Because this was an exception to school policy, I cleared it with our
headmaster, first, before offering this privilege to students--and they
understood that it WAS an exception AND a privilege, okayed by the
headmaster, for studio art classes only, at my discretion.
So I wasn't ignoring school policy because I went through channels to get it
approved--and other school rules (and there are a BUNCH of them at this
small, private school!) are strictly enforced in the art room.
CD players weren't to be seen while walking to the fine arts building or
while leaving it--and students understood that breaking this rule would
result in their losing the privilege to use them.
I teach 5th through 12th grade, and CD player use was only for my upper
school students (8th through 12th graders) when they were working on
long-term, individual projects (such as their paintings).
I'll probably allow students to use them again this spring under the same
conditions.
Sharon
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 HI! Holly,
We have 4 minutes in-between classes. The next class will see the first
class waiting and stay outside till they are dismissed. This holding
them back till they "pay back" time especially works great on the last
class of the day. It's really their time then. I also give what we call
teacher detentions on Thursday in my room. When they report for the
detention they must fill out a paper of questions on discipline and
proper behavior in the art room, how they can improve, how participation
effects their grade, etc. If they cut or miss a teacher detention....
they get an automatic saturday school detention which goes on their
record. Still you always have the tough ones who ruin it for the rest
b/c no matter what you do they just don't care. I wish I had the answer,
I just keep trying.
Have a good day.
Donna
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we're working in clay right now, and I want them to have the proper tools, so 
I have one of those lazy susans for pencils, a funky 3 tiered thing - clay 
tools around the bottom ring, only holds 24 on the ring so several classes 
have to share, and needle tools around the next layer...my speech is short, 
'I want you to have proper tools to work with, these are good not great, but 
if you decide ton go on with clay, you can buy a set of good tools from me in 
art 2(when they have locking drawers) all tools will be back in the little 
holes on this caddie or no one leaves. and we/ll need a tool guy(gal) to 
monitor cleanup - and oh, by the way, in class, this is a needle tool, if it 
goes out the door it is a weapon, and you will be charged as such,If we can't 
fingd a tool, the  assistant principal will be called to class and a back 
pack/person check will be conducted.' We couldn't find one once in one class, 
and low and behold ,5 seconds before the bell rang, a little teacher's kid 
who is a monster, 'found ' it in another teacher's kid's 
bucket...hmmmmmmmm....almost had to go thru with my call to the principal, 
but they know I'm serious, hasn't happened again in ANY class, word travels 
fast - I get alot of the' is this good enough?' in ceramics - a poor little 
limp coil thing, supposed to be the top to a wind chime... one eyebrow goes 
up...'nooooo, did you_____ or _____ or _____?????? were you here when it was 
explained? Did you think you didn't need to do it this way? ????'....then 
comes the whine...'buuutttttt Mrrrssssss. 
Wwwwhhheeeellllleeerrrrrr'........ahhh, it doesn't get any better than 
this!!!  :-) Deb W   'Art Nazis' Unite!!!
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> That's just the thing, I absolutely allow no personal choice in the music.
> It is my CD player, my classroom, my environment, mine to set the ambiance
> as a part of the educational experience I want to share.  Anytime I have let
> any student have anything to do at all with the music I have had the same
> problem.
Last year I let them pick the music and your right... nothing but complaints.
This year I pick the music.... calming, peaceful, cultural music. I now have
kids suggesting curtain scores from movies (all music no vocals) that fit into
our class theme. It's great. And sooooooooo much more relaxing then their
choice of sounds.
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Lots of good thoughts here, I'm nearing 50 too... is this where the 'art 
nazi' begins? I let them eat in class too...I sell blow pops(suckers with gum 
inside- double whammy) the money goes to replace things that break, or 
supplies for airbrush -   we don;t have carpet in our wing or in my room, so 
I fudge alittle, seems to help settle them - one of our DECA teachers sells 
cookies on Friday and he sends his students to my room all day Friday - it's 
a fundraiser for his jobs program - so they can eat, I don't really care at 
all, as long as they pick up after themselves...
:-) Deb W
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Just to clarify, The American Visionary Museum in Baltimore does not
show only the work of emotionally or developmentally disabled artists
but, in fact, shows the work of Outsider Artists, who create work
outside the mainstream of Fine Art or traditional Folk Art.  Many of the
outsider artists are not emotionally or cognitively challenged. (The
European definition, however, of Outsider Art is different than the
American definition).
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Our district forbids the kids to bring CD players to school at all except on 
bus trips...of course they still do, but they risk having them picked up if 
they get them out,  so they can only listen to my music :-)
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Dover catalog- I got a tom of postcards that I laminated- if you're looking 
for a small sized repro, this is it.
Christine in Binghamton
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In a message dated 11/5/00 6:19:23 AM Central Standard Time, 
lseiler@ez-net.com writes:
<< Its a scary venture.  One...to draw from a live model.  Two, to be honest 
at
 their age, when appearance and finding acceptance is everything...to
 discover and not cover their imperfections.  Three...the contemplative
 prospective of peering into their own soul thru the window of their eyes. >>
Larry and all - the comments made on drawing with kids was very insightful 
and well said.  Because of constant problems with my fifth grade boys I asked 
our school counselor to observe my three day rotation of those classes.  We 
were drawing
from a model - the person that sits near or across from them (mirrors would 
be broken or stolen) I said that the portrait did not have to look exactly 
like that person
but to look human with the right proportion and feature placement.  We had 
practiced
drawing each feature and the placement of each correctly before this lesson.  
So they began drawing using several hardnesses of pencils.  Some were so off 
task
giggling, goofing and causing disturbances - more than usual.  The serious 
people
did some very fine rendering of the human face and handled the shading of the 
face very well.  When talking with the counselor later regarding her 
observations she remarked that perhaps because this age is so ill confident 
and self concious that 
drawing the face and having someone study theirs might be too personal and 
even threatening and those immature ones cannot handle it.
So I am wondering 1,  if this might be true  2.  and if drawing from their 
own photograph would be less threatening or even more interesting to do?
Also has anyone out there had good luck drawing with pastels with fifth 
graders?
Alot again created total messes of very simple trees - blended when asked to 
keep
colors fresh and overlap rather than blend. The same immature ones even put 
their
whole hands in and rubbed around.  they then were given crayons to finish - a 
great dissapointment to me.  The same ones that succeeded above succeeded 
with this
project.  Like I am teaching several ages of children in one grade! 
So another question arises - would it be right to anticipate the immaturity 
of certain
people and give them a younger version of the lesson - or is that also asking 
for 
certain trouble.  Some days I wish I was a PE teacher and could make these
clowns run the track till they dropped and didn;t have breath to cause 
anymore 
trouble.  Sigh of frustration.   Just kidding.
  
Thanks for any input.  Roberta Dunkel
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Sharon, I had 1 Art 4 student in a huge class of Art 1 kids, he was in 
independent study and highly self motivated, and I got permission for him to 
use a cd player & headphones. The kids were fascinated by his work, and his 
dedication to it - he was a great asset to the class without ever opening his 
mouth, however toward the end of each class he would take off his headphones 
and talk to any kids who had migrated to see what he was doing that week. I 
have had other Art4 in Art 1 classes, and I consider myself a babysitter for 
a jobless senior, because they cause more trouble than they are worth... :-) 
they have to be working and deserve the priviledge - yes, we are a dumping 
ground...
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One solution to the choice of music is I say "you can pick the station or 
,music. BUT I get to pick the volume!"
Donna
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In a message dated 11/5/00 7:32:03 AM Central Standard Time, 
buerklej@mail.leon.k12.fl.us writes:
<<  The one thing I do that does work a little is being nice to the worst 
behaved
 > kids, after they've been insubordinate or been written up.
 
 This is a good approach.  The more you know them, in my experience, the
 more
 embarrassed they are to really misbehave.  Although they will test you. 
 The
 trick is to let them know that you care about them, and while you hold
 them
 accountable for their behavior, you are ready to work with them when
 they are
 ready. >>
How timely this is - my wonderful school counselor has also suggested that my 
problem kids be made my allies of sorts.  Perhaps to ask them to help with the
younger kids - reading, helping with art projects etc.  One problem is that 
they
are also behind in their regular classroom.  One fifth grade boy in foster 
care
 has seen so much of the adult lifes rotten side that he is  just now 
learning to be a kid (in my room) .  His little sister is in kindergarten and 
it was suggested that perhaps I ask him to read to her class while in art.   
Might give him a confidence boost that he needs.  For the others- will asking 
them to help with the little ones do any good?
I tried mixing my highschool ceramics class and elementary once and will 
never do
it again - it was awful - the trouble makers clicked with the trouble makers. 
 Yikes
Thanks for any suggestions.  Roberta
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Subject: Chalk for coloring sand or salt
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This was recommended and sounds great, but chalk dust is very bothersome to 
some students and teachers, so I'd go with the food coloring or liquid 
watercolors. or colored inks.
Leslie in Framingham
use salt and rub with chalk to get the colors we want. You put the salt on 
a paper plate and then rub 1 color to mix it to the right intensity. It's not 
as real but it works.Place sand in a pie tin (or other flat
container) and rub colored chalk over it (on the side of the
chalk).  As the chalk becomes dust, it mixes with the sand and
causes it to become colored.  
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In a message dated 11/5/00 9:21:30 AM Central Standard Time, djash@ibm.net 
writes:
<< . When they report for the
 detention they must fill out a paper of questions on discipline and
 proper behavior in the art room, how they can improve, how participation
 effects their grade, etc. >>
I take their noon recess and since I have lunch duty can actually do two 
things at once
as they sit at several tables apart in the lunch room  writing discipline 
sheets (some found on web)
Yesterday one of my infamous fifth grade boys was asked to fill out his think
sheet and the last two questions were l.  How can I change my behavior so that
I will stay out of trouble. HIs answer - A.  Have the teacher fired.  2.  
What can the
teacher do to help you stay out of trouble.  HIs answer - A.  The teacher can 
quit.
When his mother was called to arrange after school detention I read his 
answers to
her and she said "well I told you before he does not like you " (family going 
through
a bloody divorce).  I said "He doesn;t have to like me - he does have to be 
respectful
and he is not respectful  he is constantly rude to my face."  She agreed to 
the detention.   Our counselor (a wonderful one) has a special group she is 
forming for kids whose parents are divorced or going through a divorce.  She 
says it has helped
so many troubled kids see that they can survive without acting out in school. 
 I have high hopes - yikes again.  Roberta
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Hey hey hey...I've got the matboard! Two sources of it
to be exact, and tons in my closet. Great idea to do
bookmaking...duh, why didn't I think of that? What
methods do you suggest? I've done accordion style
books, but I'm not a big fan. (I'm not that great at
measuring and getting my folds exact) Can I find books
on stitching them (hole punching, etc) I have the
yarn... (Yay! I love this listserve!)
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Hi! I can't wait to get a chance to host a baby shower
so I could make these things- thanks for giving me a
chance to share... origami baby booties! They look so
neat! You can even tie them up with string to resemble
a shoelace. I found the steps in an origami book. You
would probably need to find a pretty thick or advanced
book to find a diagram with step by step instructions.
I'm sorry but I don't remember the name of the book. I
tried the booties, and they really aren't difficult to
make. Mine was a little off, it looked a little flat,
but it still worked..still looked like a bootie. Good
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Sharon,
The students have it written in their handbooks that CD players, along
with pagers and cell phones are not allowed on campus.  I do know that
teachers overlook this.  I am a department head and it is hard for me to
overlook items that are in either student or faculty handbook. 
Personally, I  just play a single radio station.  I have mixed emotions
about this.
Jackie
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<<The students have it written in their handbooks that CD players, along
with pagers and cell phones are not allowed on campus.>>
We're different in a lot of ways, in that I have small classes (10-15
students per period) and our school is 2/3 boarding
The only time I use a radio is sometimes AFTER the academic day when kids
have the option of working in the artroom when I'm there. (The building is
locked if I'm not there.) I choose the station (a local new/classic rock
station) and the atmosphere is much more relaxed, in general.  It's a fun
time for all of us, when the kids can choose to come in to work on their
projects.  Sometimes I'll just have a few and other times I'll have 10 or
12.  (And yes, it's sometimes like teaching an extra period a day...)
Again, I think it's just a matter of what teachers are comfortable with,
what the school policies are, and the nature of the kids.
I haven't allowed students to use CD players yet because I wanted this first
trimester to get to know them--wanted them tuned in to me and accessible!
And as I mentioned in an earlier post, I think they'd get in the way when we
begin sculpture next trimester.
But as for spring and when they're working on paintings on easels in my
large 2nd room, then sure.  It worked great last year and I think it will
again if they understand that it's a privilege and an authorized exception
to general school policy.
Sharon
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Students are finishing up self-portraits and most have done an =
incredible job. HOWEVER, I have a couple of kids who, due to documented =
learning disabilities, have had a really awful time trying to use a grid =
to enlarge their images.
One of these students has a documented visual perception problem, and =
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signed up for art--but she was glad that he had.
The rubric that I'm designing for grading these gives extra weight to =
effort and time on task, but also makes note of how well they understood =
and were able to master the concept (among other criteria).
How do you handle grading with kids who really *try* to do good work, =
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transcripts that colleges will have to consider.
What sort of rubrics do you use for art projects like this, that are =
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I have a class of second graders that has been increasingly disrespectful, 
out of control, rude and can't even sit still long enough to hear the 
directions which adds to the problem.  Finally after seeing they were out of 
control with a printmaking lesson, I stopped the lesson and gave them 20 
minutes (yup 20) to clean up.  All they had to do was put their printmaking 
stuff (rollers and inks) in the sink (I did not ask them to wash them as they 
were so out of control) and put artwork on drying rack (with me standing 
there to help them!)  It was bedlam...and after 20 minutes....the room was a 
bigger mess.  The 5th graders who came next had to spend 10 minutes washing 
tables before they could use them.  So...I told them...no more complicated 
art media and that I was cancelling their clay lesson for next week and that 
they would only get drawing media (colored pencils, crayons, pencils) until 
they could manage themselves better.  So this week they came in with appology 
letters in hand (teacher had assigned them as homework) and we had a 
talk..they had a drawing lesson with colored pencils.  All was going very 
well....I stopped them with 15 minutes left in the class to clean up...all 
they had to do was put colored pencils in a tennis ball can and put drawings 
on counter...again...pandemonium.  So....what I am doing next week is this.  
#1.  I am writing them each a personal note to respond to the appology 
letters. (I believe it is important to respond to each of them on an 
individual level) #2.  A VCR will be in the room when they come in.  At the 
first sign of nonsense, the lesson will be stopped and they will watch an art 
video (I have the Penn and Teller series on the elements of art) and that 
will be their lesson.  I am also doing this with the 5th grade that follows 
as am having similar issues.  
If the children as a collective (like the BORG!) cannot manage themselves 
enough to even listen to and follow through with 2 very simple 
directions...then they will loose their studio time and we will do a 
different kind of art lesson.  On their own, they are fabulous kids...when 
they are put together....things do not look good...and it is only November.  
We had a 3rd and 5th grade who behaved like this last year...and I feel it is 
good to step on that behavior early.  If you consider I have only seen the 
students 8 times and over half of them have been spent discussion behavior 
issues....I just flat out tell the students, we are not spending the year 
like this.  Either they manage themselves, or I will give them lessons that 
they can mange.  IF that means no studio lessons...then that is what it 
means.  TOUGH LOVE!  
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I think I have these same kids in high school!!
What I've done is take them back to what they last DID handle - sounds like 
cleanup is a problem for your little ones - up and out of their seats. 
Someone in here had table monitors, I've read about silent cleanups, I'm not 
sure how she did it, I don't recall duct tape being involved, but it's always 
an option...maybe if you try one kid up from each table, a sponge for each 
kid to pass down, best table gets to line up first, a cute hand stamp, a 
gaudy tropphy for the table who does best for a week. Something that's 
controlled, but friendly...my high school kids would rather watch Penn and 
Teller (or Sister Wendy) so I have worksheets that go with all the videos, 
otherwise they just blow them off! Hang in there!!!!! We need you to civilize 
the little darlin' before they get to high school!!! God bless you!!  :-) Deb 
W
Art Nazis Unite!!!  - NO ART FOR YOU!!!!!!
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Subject: Re: discipline & behavior
Our elementary school counselor started a similar group several years ago,
called the Lemonade Brigade. She has had good success working with children
who need this kind of guidance in their lives. If any of you want to know
more about this program, contact Marlynn Schwenk at  mschwenk@uaschools.org
                Ann-on-y-mouse in Columbus
 Our counselor (a wonderful one) has a special group she is
|forming for kids whose parents are divorced or going through a divorce.  She
|says it has helped
|so many troubled kids see that they can survive without acting out in school.
| I have high hopes - yikes again.  Roberta
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In a message dated 11/5/00 12:50:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
LMiller435@aol.com writes:
<< Mix a good cooked glue with cornstarch and water and 
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Leslie,
is there a ratio to this mixture.   Id it really a strong glue, thick 
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Thanx in advance
Gabrielle
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To the TAEA folks who requested the online translation demonstration. Here is 
the URL:
http://members.aol.com/JMcne76382/demo.html
Jim McNeill's workshops were again filled to capacity and he was as gracious 
as ever.  
To those of you who wanted to contact Richard Haas about purchasing the video 
about how his murals are created, his website (that includes a link to email) 
is: 
http://www.richardhaas.com/
The video is titled "Painting the Town: The Illusionistic Murals of Richard 
Haas" and the price including shipping is $20.  The Fort Worth Chisholm Trail 
Cattle Drive and Tarrant County Courthouse Annex are both included on the 
video.  
I loved the walking tour with Haas.  He is so personable.  After giving 
background on the sites, he gave us insights into how he planned and executed 
each mural.  I've seen the Cattle Drive mural and the Courthouse Annex a 
million times, but seeing them with Richard brought them to life.  What was 
really great is that the Sid Richardson Museum gave every participant a 
poster of Richard's Cattle Drive mural and he autographed them for us!  What 
a treasure.  You can imagine what an honor it was for Richard to sit at my 
table at the gala.       
It was fun to put faces with email names and to get to know a few of you all 
this weekend.  All in all, I think the conference went well.  There were 
those few scheduling glitches, but when an army of volunteers does the work 
those gltiches have to be overlooked.
Mitch did an outstanding job with all the party-type activities and bringing 
in the performers.  I was amazed with the gala.  That big band was wonderful. 
 
I hope you will all email Ron Durham, supervisor of Fine Arts for AISD and 
thank him for the incredible amount of labor that went into the conference.  
Ron's email is:
RDurham@Arlington.k12.TX.US
Post your impressions of the conference and your favorite activities.  I want 
to know what I missed.  
Pam 
"There are more valid facts and details in works of art than there are in 
history books."  Charlie Chaplin, 1964
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Yes, except that they fold in different ways-more like a tree. I'm so 
mad--I've misplaced my magazine and I want to do these with students. Aaargh!
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Jayna Ledbetter wrote:
> 
> <snip> What
> methods do you suggest? I've done accordion style
> books, but I'm not a big fan. (I'm not that great at
> measuring and getting my folds exact) Can I find books
> on stitching them (hole punching, etc)
Jayna,
Here are a couple of Web sites I've found useful for bookmaking: 
<http://milton.mse.jhu.edu:8001/library/pres/cncrtina.htm>  This sites
has good directions on making concertina books.  The cool thing about
these is they can can be used going in either direction (?), like a
continuous book...this doesn't sound real clear, I know, but you'll see
what I mean when you try it.  It requires the use of a heavy board like
matboard.
<http://www.sff.net/people/Brook.West/bind/bindit/html>  This site has
the instructions I used for my students to create their sketchbooks.  We
use poster board for the covers.  Don't let the directions scare you;
once you've done it it's not difficult.  If you decide to try this one,
e-mail me privately first and I'll give you some pointers.
Maggie
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Here are a couple of ideas for your baby shower. !. Get small plastic babies 
at a party store. Freeze each in a ice cube. The first person to have their 
baby break free from the ice cube, "break the water", wins a prize. 2. Each 
person gets a piece of bubble gum in a paper cup. Have them chew the gum. 
Then everyone tries to make the best replica of a baby with the gum! These 
were a lot of fun. MJ
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Humor and art teachers:
The Art Education Association of Indiana is having their annual state
conference this coming Friday and Saturday, November 10th and 11th in
Terre Haute, IN. Faith Ringgold and Gretchen Boyer will be the Keynote sp=
eakers.
I'm looking for "humorous art teacher material".  I've been asked to
dress in a costume to look like Grant Wood's sister did in American
Gothic.   A fellow AEAI Executive Council Board member will be holding
the pitchfork next to me and both of us will participate in a skit after
our awards dinner.  We have been told to be FUNNY and make the humor
focused on being an art teacher.  We've talked about Letterman-like Top
Ten lists or "You know you are an art teacher if=85 (your varicose veins
remind you of a Jackson Pollock painting)
I'm seeking the combined humor of ArtsEdNetTalkers.  Anything funny
about being an art teacher would be much appreciated.
Art Humor=85
Art Giggles=85
Art Laughs=85
Thanks, I look forward to your responses.
Sharron Pollack
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I like Starry Night Dist.  Just came back from the New York State Art 
Teachers Conference in Albany and they were selling prints at the conference 
for a fabulous price- most 3 for $10. and they are the huge ones.  I advice 
going to your state conference and hesd right for the vendors!   Susan on 
Long Island 
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Wow what is it with 2nd graders lately?  Seems like that's the group we have
the most to say about at our school. (I wonder if it has something to do
with losing all those teeth right about then....)  Looks like you're on the
right track though -- as long as you're consistent and they know what to
expect that usually helps.  (Personally, I have decided to use behavior
modification charts and goodies for rewards.  Best behaved class gets an ice
cream sculpture party)
Fif th graders seem challenging to me as well lately.  One class has been
awful lately.  So I made up a behavior contract for them.  On it they are to
sign their names next to the behaviors they can agree to :  Enter the room
quietly, listen while teacher is instructing, use only kind words when
speaking to others, and follow directions.  Then they bring this contract
home to be signed by parents, brought back to school.  I put their signed
contract in front of them for each art class.  If they break one of the
contract rules I make a red X next to that behavior.  If there appear to be
repeat problems with a student, then parents come in, etc. etc.  This year
was the first year that I had some kinds *not* sign next to one or two
behaviors -- they said they just didn't feel like they could promise to do
that particular thing.  So I've already had some parent conferences with the
kids while they explain why it's so hard for them to do.  They usually end
up signing all four.  If not, I recommend counseling, not as a threat, of
course, but to help them figure stuff out.  So annoying to have to deal with
this stuff, especially when, as 4th graders they were so wonderful.
Liz in rural NY
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> I have a class of second graders that has been increasingly disrespectful,
> out of control, rude and can't even sit still long enough to hear the
> directions which adds to the problem
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Dear Art Educators--
Let 's hope and pray that the good guys win on Tuesday.  Funding for the Arts
and the Supreme Court choices are what is at stake here.
Oh, and don't forget...
a vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for Bush.
Jill (BT)
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The day started off peaceful enough, but soon emerged to be a day 
filled with culture. In the morning, I heard some drummming (which is 
not unusual). First it sounded rather novice, as if someone was 
simply plunking on the drum. I continued what I was doing in my home, 
continuing to keep an ear out just in case there were further 
developments. Later,the drumming sounded more significant and 
refined, peaking my interest. With a small digital camera in my hand 
(just in case), I proceeded to start walking towards the 
nearby-sounding drumming.
After the second turn, I heard my name called out. Here it was Wasa, 
the downstair teacher's housekeeper. It was not the Wasa I was 
accustomed to seeing though. Instead of the plain purple overlay that 
she typically wore, Wasa was dressed up in her finest. A dark green 
dress (West African style) with multicolored ornamental decorations 
and a U shaped neck was worn. Around her shoulders draped a white 
veil-like scarf. Most impressive was Wasa's head. Each small section 
of hair was wrapped in glistening black coils, forming a decorative 
pattern. By the ears the coils also revealed small golden-yellow 
small balls, about 4 or so cascading down in an ornamental fashion. 
In her ears were beautiful gold earrings and around her finger was a 
matching ring. A headwrap from the same fabric as the dress covered a 
fair amount of her hair. Around the headwrap was a woven band that I 
had seen before. Instantly, I knew Wasa was involved with a wedding. 
Wasa invited me to join her at the wedding and asked me if the 
downstairs teacher was awake.
I quickly went home to the duplex to get the downstairs teacher and 
her 4th grade daughter. This time with two cameras, I went towards 
the source of the music. Like Wasa, the women were all wearing their 
finest clothing and jewelry, with the addition of a special hairdo. 
Underneath the large tent, women began gathering for their portion of 
a wedding celebration. After we were introduced to several women, 
Wasa encouraged us to sit down. For the next several hours, I 
witnessed women celebrating their portion of the wedding celebration 
under the tent.
I will need to find someone who can explain all what occurred, but I 
will now present my observations. Several other women were also 
wearing the striped woven band, just as Wasa did. The middle part of 
the long narrow band which was tied around the forehead revealed the 
woman's name, carefully woven in capital letters. The bands were 
golden yellow with another contrasting color such as black, purple, 
or maroon. Two female singers and three male drummers provided the 
music. I am assuming that the singing was either general wedding 
music or words specifically directed towards the bride, etc. Women 
would get off their chairs and join a procession of women, already 
forming a line towards the music. Typically the "train" would repeat 
its course and go towards the music a few times before the women once 
again took their seat. Sometimes a few women would then begin doing 
the energetic West African dancing. It appeared as if the main 
drummer's hands and the dancers were talking to each other. Typically 
one woman danced at a time, before the next woman took her short time 
in the spotlight.
Interspersed throughout the time of celebration that I witnessed were 
a few women who directed some words towards the crowd. I think they 
might be part of the griot family, which does the storytelling and 
recounts memories/events. During this talking, the arm of one of the 
women wearing the bands would have their arm raised by a neighbor, 
evidently recognizing that person. There was a lot of socializing 
occurring, women "sharing" the darling little ones with other women, 
and even some passing of money to a select few women. Some of that 
money appeared to be given to the drummers, but I'll have to inquire 
more.
I'm sure a lot of the subtleties (and perhaps the not-so-subtle parts 
of the ceremony) passed by without my knowledge of what I was seeing 
or perhaps not seeing it at all.
Well, I better sign off for now. Tomorrow or soon I will email the 
second cultural happening. Ahh, such a culturally rich society here 
yet. I sure hope that they retain it even if technology and outside 
influences increase.
-- 
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Be cheerleaders like in Saturaday night Live.  Jump around and kick your legs 
up and say crazy stuff about kids and art.
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Hi,
You might want to take a look at some of the issues of Chiaroscuro, the AENJ 
newsletter. Each issue has a "on the light side" humor column.
It is posted at:
www.aenj.org/chiaroscuro
By the way, the guy in Grant Woods picture was his dentist!!! That might be 
worth a laugh or two.
Harold
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Yes Gabrielle,=20
Sorry.
CORNSTARCH GLUE
1 cup boiling water
While water is boiling make a roux of =BD cup cold water
                        and  =BD cup cornstarch.
Add roux to the boiling water.
Remove from the heat and Stir-Stir-Stir.
Add white glue, such as Elmer's: 50/50, or 2/3 starch to 1/3 glue
This paste keeps for two or three months, if refrigerated.
Spread in two even, thin coats, it will adhere decorated papers to cardboard=
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without buckling.
You can double and triple the recipe.
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I find that if you use two thin coats, letting the paper relax in-between fo=
r=20
a minute or two you get papers that aren't wrinkly and buckled.  I also use=20=
a=20
bone folder (or tongue depressor to rub the papers onto the cardboard.
Leslie in Framingham
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    Suggestion....
Dismiss one table (or Group) at a time to clean up -as these students have a 
"pre-determined amount of time to clean up (ie. 2min.) and get back in their 
seats with a piece of drawing paper and pencil (or crayon).  You call the 
next table.  While these students are cleaning some are still working and 
others who have cleaned up are now working at there seats with "clean" media. 
 Repeat till all students are clean and seated.  Have children put Crayons 
away and take their pictures with them. I also begin the projects this way 
-all children must be prepared and seated before materials are distributed.  
I have called one group up at a time to print while others were drawing at 
their seats -Quietly. You are the boss!  They will do it your way or they 
won't do it at all!
Good Luck!
Kathy in Kalamazoo   
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In a message dated 11/5/00 1:46:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nnaell@aol.com 
writes:
> 
> I have a class of second graders that has been increasingly disrespectful, 
> out of control, rude and can't even sit still long enough to hear the 
> directions which adds to the problem.  Finally after seeing they were out 
> of 
> control with a printmaking lesson, I stopped the lesson and gave them 20 
> minutes (yup 20) to clean up.  All they had to do was put their printmaking 
> stuff (rollers and inks) in the sink (I did not ask them to wash them as 
> they 
> were so out of control) and put artwork on drying rack (with me standing 
> there to help them!)  It was bedlam...and after 20 minutes....the room was 
> a 
> 
Just some thoughts for second grade behavior mod........How about assigning 
just a few kids (the better behaved ones) as a reward, to collect the 
supplies.  I suggest actually announcing, " Johnny, I like the way you were 
working and following directions, so I'm going to choose you to collect the 
brayers." If you can catch a student who is usually unruly being cooperative, 
it might really be an effective reward.
Did you call one table at a time to put their work in the drying rack?
I've suggested this before because it really works for me-  raffle tickets 
and cookie compliments with an overall unruly class.  I know, I know, I good 
argument can be made for these material rewards- but my philosophy is, if it 
works, do it! 
Raffle Tickets:  Buy the big roll- the kind you can tear in half and put one 
in front of the student with good behavior, with the corresponding # in a big 
box.  Give them out as you catch them being good.  You don't even need to say 
a word, just the sight of you quietly placing it in front of them is enough. 
I have no limit as to how many you can get. The more they collect, the more 
chances to win!  I always say "You gotta be in it , to win it".   They all 
want them, and you'll see how fast they will change their behavior.  At the 
end of class have a drawing for a prize.  Funny thing is the prize can be 
almost anything.  They like the excitement of having their # called. 
Cookie Compliments:  I got a big clear teddy bear shaped plastic bottle of 
animal crackers at BJ's or Price Club (you know, the big warehouse-type 
grocery stores) for $4.99 and it lasts forever.  I will invite a student or a 
whole table to help themselves to a cookie compliment when I am trying to 
reinforce good behavior.  What these kids won't do for a lousy tiny cookie!   
 
Hope this helps.....Susan on Long Island 
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<HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/5/00 1:46:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nnaell@aol.com <BR>writes:
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<BR>I have a class of second graders that has been increasingly disrespectful, 
<BR>out of control, rude and can't even sit still long enough to hear the 
<BR>directions which adds to the problem. &nbsp;Finally after seeing they were out <BR>of 
<BR>control with a printmaking lesson, I stopped the lesson and gave them 20 
<BR>minutes (yup 20) to clean up. &nbsp;All they had to do was put their printmaking 
<BR>stuff (rollers and inks) in the sink (I did not ask them to wash them as <BR>they 
<BR>were so out of control) and put artwork on drying rack (with me standing 
<BR>there to help them!) &nbsp;It was bedlam...and after 20 minutes....the room was <BR>a 
<BR>bigger mess.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Just some thoughts for second grade behavior mod........How about assigning <BR>just a few kids (the better behaved ones) as a reward, to collect the <BR>supplies. &nbsp;I suggest actually announcing, " Johnny, I like the way you were <BR>working and following directions, so I'm going to choose you to collect the <BR>brayers." If you can catch a student who is usually unruly being cooperative, <BR>it might really be an effective reward.
<BR>
<BR>Did you call one table at a time to put their work in the drying rack?
<BR>
<BR>I've suggested this before because it really works for me- &nbsp;raffle tickets <BR>and cookie compliments with an overall unruly class. &nbsp;I know, I know, I good <BR>argument can be made for these material rewards- but my philosophy is, if it <BR>works, do it! 
<BR>
<BR>Raffle Tickets: &nbsp;Buy the big roll- the kind you can tear in half and put one <BR>in front of the student with good behavior, with the corresponding # in a big <BR>box. &nbsp;Give them out as you catch them being good. &nbsp;You don't even need to say <BR>a word, just the sight of you quietly placing it in front of them is enough. <BR>I have no limit as to how many you can get. The more they collect, the more <BR>chances to win! &nbsp;I always say "You gotta be in it , to win it". &nbsp;&nbsp;They all <BR>want them, and you'll see how fast they will change their behavior. &nbsp;At the <BR>end of class have a drawing for a prize. &nbsp;Funny thing is the prize can be <BR>almost anything. &nbsp;They like the excitement of having their # called. 
<BR>
<BR>Cookie Compliments: &nbsp;I got a big clear teddy bear shaped plastic bottle of <BR>animal crackers at BJ's or Price Club (you know, the big warehouse-type <BR>grocery stores) for $4.99 and it lasts forever. &nbsp;I will invite a student or a <BR>whole table to help themselves to a cookie compliment when I am trying to <BR>reinforce good behavior. &nbsp;What these kids won't do for a lousy tiny cookie! &nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;
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<BR>Hope this helps.....Susan on Long Island </FONT></HTML>
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 Sorry for late reply........been at the Tenn Art Educators Assoc. Convention this weekend. I took a workshop on monoprints and were introduced to a product called Citra solve-----non toxic and SMELLS GREAT!!!
Charlotte in east Tenn............
  J+G Grant <jggrant@melbpc.org.au> wrote: 
I hope someone can help me - I am having a short term memory (hopefully) problem regarding what to use to lift a photocopied image to create a print. Any ideas?
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Nnaell@aol.com wrote:
> I have a class of second graders that has been increasingly disrespectful,
> out of control, rude and can't even sit still long enough to hear the
> directions which adds to the problem.
I have great success using lots of positive reinforcement.  I also do something
which I know many people on this list will be tremendously opposed to.  I give
candy as a reward.  My classroom has six tables with about 3 children at each
table.  Each table has a different color plastic box with a lid  which sits in
the center of the table.  So they are the "red table", the "yellow table", etc.
The children have assigned seats and I seat the trouble makers far apart from
each other.  If children talk too much to their tablemates I switch them to a
different spot.  Occasionally a child will have to sit at a table by himself.
When I switch kids around I always do it in a positive way by telling them I'm
putting them near a child who will not distract them.
Anyway, in every class we have a contest. ( I meet each class once a week for 45
minutes.)   The contest starts as they enter the room.  I tell them I'm looking
for the table that sits down first (no running) and is quietly waiting for
directions.  I usually announce which table did the best.  They work as a team
with their table mates.  If one child is misbehaving I tell them that it is too
bad because that child is ruining the chances for their whole table to win.  The
next part of the contest involves listening to directions.  I make pauses in my
directions to point out a table that is winning "points" for good listening.
Then comes the "concentration and careful work" part of the contest, followed at
the end of class by the best and quietest cleanup.  At the end of class they
stand up by their pushed in chairs silently waiting for me to announce the
winner.  I use this time to review what concepts we learned in class that day
because they are trying very hard to be good so they are very attentive.
I know it would be great if I could get them to do all this without a reward but
I get excellent behavior and artwork from these kids.  They never get tired of
the "contest" and all the children love it from first to fifth grade.  The
winning table comes up to my desk to pick out either two Swedish fish or one
jolly rancher or two stickers.  I keep track of every table that wins so they
only win once every six weeks.  They all think that their table has a chance of
winning every single week.
Hope this helps.
Sky
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At  our state conference, we have Art History on Parade, where people dress
up like various artworks, or have skits designed around art.  This year, one
such skit involved thieves breaking into the Louvre to steal paintings.
When they got out to their vehicle, it wouldn't start and thus they were
caught.  Why?  Because they did not have Degas to make the Van Go(ugh).
Humor and art teachers:
The Art Education Association of Indiana is having their annual state
conference this coming Friday and Saturday, November 10th and 11th in
Terre Haute, IN. Faith Ringgold and Gretchen Boyer will be the Keynote
speakers.
I'm looking for "humorous art teacher material".  I've been asked to
dress in a costume to look like Grant Wood's sister did in American
Gothic.   A fellow AEAI Executive Council Board member will be holding
the pitchfork next to me and both of us will participate in a skit after
our awards dinner.  We have been told to be FUNNY and make the humor
focused on being an art teacher.  We've talked about Letterman-like Top
Ten lists or "You know you are an art teacher if. (your varicose veins
remind you of a Jackson Pollock painting)
I'm seeking the combined humor of ArtsEdNetTalkers.  Anything funny
about being an art teacher would be much appreciated.
Art Humor.
Art Giggles.
Art Laughs.
Thanks, I look forward to your responses.
Sharron Pollack
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Someone asked about how to get art prints cheaply.  Well, how about art 
prints from calendars for FREE?!?
I don't know about anywhere else in the country, but around my area a store 
opens up after Halloween in a big mall on Long island. This store stays open 
only through January and sells every kind of calendar for the new year, 
including great art calendars. 
Around Christmas time I go in and scout around what I would like and need for 
references in my classroom.  I make a list of the calendars I want for the 
owner, who at the end of January, gives away the unsold calendars to teachers 
as a donation.  I bring a letter from my school district acknowledging the 
donation and load up my car!  It's as easy as that!
Hey, now all you New Yorkers in the Long Island vicinity (Holly :) and 
Company)... it's in Roosevelt Field....just save some for me!  LOL     Susan 
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<HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT  SIZE=2>Someone asked about how to get art prints cheaply. &nbsp;Well, how about art <BR>prints from calendars for FREE?!?
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<BR>I don't know about anywhere else in the country, but around my area a store <BR>opens up after Halloween in a big mall on Long island. This store stays open <BR>only through January and sells every kind of calendar for the new year, <BR>including great art calendars. 
<BR>
<BR>Around Christmas time I go in and scout around what I would like and need for <BR>references in my classroom. &nbsp;I make a list of the calendars I want for the <BR>owner, who at the end of January, gives away the unsold calendars to teachers <BR>as a donation. &nbsp;I bring a letter from my school district acknowledging the <BR>donation and load up my car! &nbsp;It's as easy as that!
<BR>
<BR>Hey, now all you New Yorkers in the Long Island vicinity (Holly :) and <BR>Company)... it's in Roosevelt Field....just save some for me! &nbsp;LOL &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Susan <BR>on Long Island</FONT></HTML>
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In a message dated 11/5/00 10:02:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
kimberly@wcc.net writes:
> This FAQ has been put together to answer those housekeeping questions that
> come up so frequently. This is not an attempt to monitor the list, but to
> make communication easier.
> 
> 
Thanks for this useful info.  Kim, you are a wealth of knowledge- I 
appreciate it!  
Susan on Long Island 
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This FAQ has been put together to answer those housekeeping questions that
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<BR>Thanks for this useful info. &nbsp;Kim, you are a wealth of knowledge- I <BR>appreciate it! &nbsp;
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Ann-Marie,
I have missed this list for the last month because of some difficulties with 
my DSL and windows 98.  I'm so glad to be back!  If everyone has answered 
your question already I apologize.  My sister, who is also and artist began 
tissue painting while earning an illustration degree at Rhode Island School 
of Design.  I do a simple method with my little ones (K-5).  Make a glue 
water mixture (elmers type), THIS SHOULD BE THIN ENOUGH TO PAINT WITH (OOPS!) 
 You apply glue mixture (about 1 part glue to one part water) and place a 
piece of tissue.  Then cover by patting on more of the glue mixture.  I 
usually have students draw with permanent black marker and then apply color.  
This is fantastic with a really simple still life for grades 3-5.  My sister 
sometimes uses the technique in combination with newspaper and magazine 
pieces, etc...
Kerry
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> Oh, and don't forget...
> a vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for Bush.
that is just silly and untrue...kinda like saying a vote for bush is a vote
for satan and a vote for gore is one for beelzebub...(i hope you all can see
there is a sense of humor at the root of that - not intending to offend
either christians or devil worshippers).  seriously, though, a vote for
nader is a vote for NADER, and a is meaningful, viable choice for a lot of
us.
wendy
card carrying, sign waving, voting with my conscience GREEN!
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wendy says "a vote for nader is a vote for NADER, and a is meaningful, viable 
choice for a lot of us.
wendy"
 voting with my conscience .......rock on wendy. Big party politics needs a 
good shaking up and is long overdue. Peter
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one table at a time is a matter of course in my classroom.  Unfortunately, 
the students who were asked to wait until their turn, got up, went running 
around the room and smeared printing ink on the tables and their hands.  The 
problem I am having is honestly not one of classroom management.  It is one 
of finding the way to manage these particular children.  I have all 
kindergarten students cleaning up an entire painting lesson quietly and in 
less than 10 minutes.  In fact most of my students understand what is 
expected of them during clean up.  These students cannot even pay attention 
long enough to hear one direction, much less, bring your work to the drying 
rack, put your newspaper in the trash and your printing equipment in the 
sink.  A three step direction is a reasonable expectation.
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I am sure this works for you...but honestly (my own personal opinion and not 
an attack on you in any way shape or form) The problems we are all facing 
stem from the fact that WE (teachers) are expected to manage the students' 
behavior via rewards, parties, candies, etc instead of expecting them to 
manage their own behavior at the level at which they are capable.  It is 
easier to brib them than to get them to learn what is expected of them and 
get them to practice that behavior consistantly.  
JUST VENTING!!!!!
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Ok....I just have to repeat what I said to a friend the other day.  A friend 
(male) who is voting for Ralph Nadar.  I find Mr. Nadar an incredible 
candidate.  But I cannot vote for him.  Because as a woman, artist and 
educator I have to be a realist.  One of two men will win this contest, Gore 
or Bush.  I dont' think anyone will dispute this.  As the thought of Mr. Bush 
winning (no offense to any Republican friends on the list) disturbs me for 
all kinds of reasons, I cannot vote my conscience.  I have to vote for the 
person I need to win from the two viable candidates.  See the delima?  I 
agree voting for Mr. Nadar is not a wasted vote.  At least it is a vote, 
making a decision.  I have decided that I need to support someone who has a 
chance at being in the office.  Perhaps, next time around I can vote my 
conscience.  
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In a message dated 11/5/00 8:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
KLMVisArt@aol.com writes:
> You apply glue mixture (about 1 part glue to one part water) and place a 
>  piece of tissue.  Then cover by patting on more of the glue mixture.  I 
>  usually have students draw with permanent black marker and then apply 
color. 
>  
I am not quite clear about this part. Do you draw OVER the tissue or do you 
draw on the groundsheet first? Can you give us more details?
Marsha
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Is this to say, that as a realist, you don't have to vote your conscience? 
Realistically, neither of your "viable" candidates will do much to help us as 
artists, educators or men and women. Courage to stand up for your conscience 
and not just get in line with the masses is how we earned our freedoms. My 
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Have you thought about modifying the rubrics for LLD kids according to their 
needs ? It isn't necessarily reducing the content of the project -- there may 
be areas that you can grade for them that are not issues for non-lld kids 
(dexterity issues -- varieties of pencil pressures, textures, noticing 
proportions, etc. ) 
Amy R. 
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I teach elementary and I allow only my fifth graders to bring in their own 
music with the condtiion that it have on objectional lyrics or words on ANY 
songs on the cd. " No, I will not stand there and skip songs,"  I tell them. 
I fell they like to feel more grown up than the other grades so I try to give 
them some extra privilages. I've some great Christian rock and roll come in 
as well as some other popular groups. Having a teen ager of my own, I know 
most of the popular groups and know what would be appropriate.
The rule is, if they talk over the music, it;s off. I give them one chance, 
then I don't play it the rest of the class. Other grades get to listen to 
music I pick. I also play tapes with nature sounds like the rainforest while 
doing Rousseau jungle paintings.
No one is allowed to touch the cd player except me without permission.
Some classes don't work well with any music, it just makes them louder. 
I praise tables that are working quietly and reward those tables at the end 
of class.
One class gets pieces of candy as an added incentive for staying on task 
That's my challenging class. They are the only one who gets candy and so far 
it's helping.
Another class of fith graders is starting to act up and in fact at the end of 
their last class I was so fed up with them that I told them I wished their 
art class had ended 30 minutes ago.  There was not a sound as they filed out. 
I don't usually lose my temper.
Just take each class as they come and find what works for each group.
Good luck.Janet
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KSchiavo00@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 11/05/2000 1:02:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> mwhiteaz@cybertrails.com writes:
> 
> << http://www.sff.net/people/Brook.West/bind/bindit/html >>
> Maggie -having trouble pulling this address up.  Please check it again.  I am
> very interested.
Yow, I don't know why it won't work; I've checked it and checked it for
spelling and punctuation errors.  I found the site quickly via
Altavista, and it showed the same URL.  Try going to Altavista, and
typing in "Bind It Fast" (with the quote marks).  Here's what you'll see
(it's the second choice in the list): 
2. Make Blank Books, Sketch Books or Repair Paperback Books with a
Simple Japanes 
Bind It Fast. Make or repair books with this easy technique. Adapted
from an article in Boys' Life (October 1991) by  Brook West. Does your
"Boy Scout...
  URL: www.sff.net/people/Brook.West/bind/bindit.html 
Good luck.  It's a pretty cool site.  Take a look at numbers 1 and 3 in
the list, too.  I've used them, also.
Maggie
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You are right about teaching several grade levels in one in fifth grade!  
Some are so confident of their skills, but I find most of this age don't 
enjoy art as much as theydid as younger kids. Pee pressure kicks in and they 
are afraid that their work won't look good. I don't allow students to make 
any comments about another persons art withought permission from the student. 
 I keep lessons simple and structured that still allow those more confident 
students the flexibility to branch out.  Georgia O'Keeffe shell drawings done 
with chalk on black paper. Outline the drawn lines with glue and allow to 
dry. It helps them keep the chalk where it needs to be. Right now we're going 
to do planet drawings with oil pastels to explore tints and shades of colors.
Clay dragons, tesselations,  ruler exercises and compass drawings work well 
at this age.  Janet
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 Maggie-----I could get the first site to come up, but not the second.......is there something missing?
Charlotte
  Maggie White <mwhiteaz@cybertrails.com> wrote: 
Jayna Ledbetter wrote:
> 
> What
> methods do you suggest? I've done accordion style
> books, but I'm not a big fan. (I'm not that great at
> measuring and getting my folds exact) Can I find books
> on stitching them (hole punching, etc)
Jayna,
Here are a couple of Web sites I've found useful for bookmaking: 
This sites
has good directions on making concertina books. The cool thing about
these is they can can be used going in either direction (?), like a
continuous book...this doesn't sound real clear, I know, but you'll see
what I mean when you try it. It requires the use of a heavy board like
matboard.
This site has
the instructions I used for my students to create their sketchbooks. We
use poster board for the covers. Don't let the directions scare you;
once you've done it it's not difficult. If you decide to try this one,
e-mail me privately first and I'll give you some pointers.
Maggie
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From: "Kimberly Herbert" <kimberly@wcc.net>
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Actually this debate depends on your state. Since we don't directly elect
the president, but elect the electoral collage, who elect the president. If
your state is a toss up state, then voting for a third party candidate might
get the worse of two evils elected rather than the least offensive.  On the
other hand if your state is solidly behind the worse of the two evils, then
voting your conscience can help send a message.
What I find interesting is some reports that one candidate might win
electoral collage and the other might win popular vote. With the increasing
activities of third party candidates this might happen in the future. What
would happen, would the citizens understand (considering how many educated
people don't seem to understand the electoral collage I wonder)? We would
defiantly have a Constitutional amendment to change the system. Did you know
that according to the project vote smart site there are 160 people running
for president?
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
These are my oppinions sent through my personal e-mail
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Ok....I just have to repeat what I said to a friend the other day.  A friend
(male) who is voting for Ralph Nadar.  I find Mr. Nadar an incredible
candidate.  But I cannot vote for him.  Because as a woman, artist and
educator I have to be a realist.  One of two men will win this contest, Gore
or Bush.  I dont' think anyone will dispute this.  As the thought of Mr.
Bush
winning (no offense to any Republican friends on the list) disturbs me for
all kinds of reasons, I cannot vote my conscience.  I have to vote for the
person I need to win from the two viable candidates.  See the delima?  I
agree voting for Mr. Nadar is not a wasted vote.  At least it is a vote,
making a decision.  I have decided that I need to support someone who has a
chance at being in the office.  Perhaps, next time around I can vote my
conscience.
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 Oh that is sooooo BAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  "L. P. Skeen" <lpskeen@living-tree.net> wrote: 
At our state conference, we have Art History on Parade, where people dress
up like various artworks, or have skits designed around art. This year, one
such skit involved thieves breaking into the Louvre to steal paintings.
When they got out to their vehicle, it wouldn't start and thus they were
caught. Why? Because they did not have Degas to make the Van Go(ugh).
Humor and art teachers:
The Art Education Association of Indiana is having their annual state
conference this coming Friday and Saturday, November 10th and 11th in
Terre Haute, IN. Faith Ringgold and Gretchen Boyer will be the Keynote
speakers.
I'm looking for "humorous art teacher material". I've been asked to
dress in a costume to look like Grant Wood's sister did in American
Gothic. A fellow AEAI Executive Council Board member will be holding
the pitchfork next to me and both of us will participate in a skit after
our awards dinner. We have been told to be FUNNY and make the humor
focused on being an art teacher. We've talked about Letterman-like Top
Ten lists or "You know you are an art teacher if. (your varicose veins
remind you of a Jackson Pollock painting)
I'm seeking the combined humor of ArtsEdNetTalkers. Anything funny
about being an art teacher would be much appreciated.
Art Humor.
Art Giggles.
Art Laughs.
Thanks, I look forward to your responses.
Sharron Pollack
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 The first year I was  old enough to vote I DIDN'T VOTE!!!! I didn't feel that either candidate was worthy. Our nation elected NIXON that year...............need I say more???? Talk about voting your conscience!!!!!
  Kimberly Herbert <kimberly@wcc.net> wrote: 
Actually this debate depends on your state. Since we don't directly elect
the president, but elect the electoral collage, who elect the president. If
your state is a toss up state, then voting for a third party candidate might
get the worse of two evils elected rather than the least offensive. On the
other hand if your state is solidly behind the worse of the two evils, then
voting your conscience can help send a message.
What I find interesting is some reports that one candidate might win
electoral collage and the other might win popular vote. With the increasing
activities of third party candidates this might happen in the future. What
would happen, would the citizens understand (considering how many educated
people don't seem to understand the electoral collage I wonder)? We would
defiantly have a Constitutional amendment to change the system. Did you know
that according to the project vote smart site there are 160 people running
for president?
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
These are my oppinions sent through my personal e-mail
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Ok....I just have to repeat what I said to a friend the other day. A friend
(male) who is voting for Ralph Nadar. I find Mr. Nadar an incredible
candidate. But I cannot vote for him. Because as a woman, artist and
educator I have to be a realist. One of two men will win this contest, Gore
or Bush. I dont' think anyone will dispute this. As the thought of Mr.
Bush
winning (no offense to any Republican friends on the list) disturbs me for
all kinds of reasons, I cannot vote my conscience. I have to vote for the
person I need to win from the two viable candidates. See the delima? I
agree voting for Mr. Nadar is not a wasted vote. At least it is a vote,
making a decision. I have decided that I need to support someone who has a
chance at being in the office. Perhaps, next time around I can vote my
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<P> The first year I was&nbsp; old enough to vote I DIDN'T VOTE!!!! I didn't feel that either candidate was worthy. Our nation elected NIXON that year...............need I say more???? Talk about voting your conscience!!!!!<BR>
<P>&nbsp; <B><I>Kimberly Herbert &lt;kimberly@wcc.net&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BR>
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In a message dated 11/05/2000 5:32:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
buerklej@mail.leon.k12.fl.us writes:
> Oh...I also don't allow personal CD players.  But I'm rethinking this. 
>  What do
>  you all think?  I certainly wouldn't allow them during instructional
>  time.
>  
I let them use personal CD players in class during work time and they have 
been quite good about it.  It ranges between 3 to 5 players per period.  
Lately I have been bringing in my Classical collection and they have liked it 
or at least they have asked to borrow or write down the selection top listen 
to later or purchase.  This is high school, art 2,3,4 and A.P. 
The personal CD player lets those who need to get into their own space get 
there and not bother me or others.  As Long as they are working I think it is 
great.  Lately, a few have been sharing a pair of headphones and I needed to 
stop this because they are making the music more important than the art.  
Never make the music more important than the art or else it gets out of hand. 
 When a kid went into my storeroom and changed the CD or radio station I had 
a fit, threw them out of the class, told them that was my property and if 
they touched it again I would have them removed.
I support your rules on music but consider the use of the personal CD players 
while working to ease the conflict of music for everyone.
Ken Schwab
San Jose CA
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In a message dated 11/05/2000 4:24:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
larkspin2000@yahoo.com writes:
> Citra solve-----non toxic and SMELLS GREAT!!!
>  
Citrus cleaners are a solvent for oil based products. I use this in cleaning 
bicycle parts and to degrease chains etc.  Non toxic and biodegradable.  You 
can get a concentrated solution to thin with water and use from a local bike 
store.
Ken  Schwab
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In a message dated 11/5/00 11:21:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Jhirunrtx@aol.com writes:
> but I find most of this age don't 
> enjoy art as much as theydid as younger kids. Pee pressure kicks in and 
> they 
> are afraid that their work won't look good. 
> 
> How funny is THAT typo!!!!  
Holly   :0)
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One of the things I have found that works well with my classes is to ask
the disruptive student if he is in control of his behavior.  Adolescents
especially feel that they have no control over what happens to them. 
This gives you the opportunity to put them in charge and they will
frequently accept this challenge.  The question is phrased in this way: 
How can you show me that you are in control of your behavior?  (no one
EVER wants to admit that someone else is saying something or doing
something that puts the other person in control of their behavior!)  
Another technique I find successful, and I got this idea from a more
experienced educator, was to ask:  How can you change your behavior so
that you and others can learn in this classroom? (that is more positive
than "how can I change my behavior so I can stay out of trouble" because
you are setting the kid up for failure with that statement...the child
is being labeled a troublemaker.) ALWAYS put the responsibility of
behavior on the kid and its effect on others in the classroom. 
I've enjoyed reading this discipline thread and seeing how sensitive
this group is to adolescent behaviors.
Respectfully submitted,
BJ Berquist
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Maggie, I have to agree with you. We have a no personal CD player, game boys, 
etc., rule
also. I feel that it is really important that students see me adhere to rules 
as well as them. I provide whatever music is played in my room. Very seldom 
is discussion instigated on the matter.
Reatha
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In a message dated 11/5/00 11:00:49 AM, DWHEEL5645@aol.com writes:
<< I 
have had other Art4 in Art 1 classes, and I consider myself a babysitter for 
a jobless senior, because they cause more trouble than they are worth... :-) 
they have to be working and deserve the priviledge - yes, we are a dumping 
ground... >>
I have to sign for anyone to take any course above Art I. I also sign for Art 
I if they are above the ninth grade. Why don't you guys see if you can't get 
your administration to go along with a similar policy. We preregister in the 
Spring and they have to have teacher signatures for every course. They only 
students who don't go through the process are the incoming freshman. And even 
some of them are allowed to skip Art I on the recommendation of their middle 
school Art teacher. So far that has worked very well.
Reatha
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I have found that the reproduction quality is better in Art Image
Publication prints than in Sherwood.  I have developed a very large
portfolio with the help of the media specialist.  She includes them as part
of her inventory, I keep a record of the prints I have.  This works
amazingly well.
Gabrielle Prandoni
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In a message dated 11/5/00 9:26:16 PM, Nnaell@aol.com writes:
<< Ok....I just have to repeat what I said to a friend the other day.  A 
friend 
(male) who is voting for Ralph Nadar.  I find Mr. Nadar an incredible 
candidate.  But I cannot vote for him.  Because as a woman, artist and 
educator I have to be a realist.  One of two men will win this contest, Gore 
or Bush.  I dont' think anyone will dispute this.  As the thought of Mr. Bush 
winning (no offense to any Republican friends on the list) disturbs me for 
all kinds of reasons, I cannot vote my conscience.  I have to vote for the 
person I need to win from the two viable candidates.  See the delima?  I 
agree voting for Mr. Nadar is not a wasted vote.  At least it is a vote, 
making a decision.  I have decided that I need to support someone who has a 
chance at being in the office.  Perhaps, next time around I can vote my 
conscience.   >>
as a woman, artist and educator
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Excellent point.  I would love to have popular vote determin the election.  
As well as more free and fair competition.  It is sad to me that one of these 
two woefully inadequate candidates will carry this contest.  You are 
right...the swing states matter the most...Thanks for mentioning all that!
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try interior design/history of furniture designs.  Chippendale, Hepplewhite, 
Eames, Stickely...there are tons!!!
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> "C. Pelgrim" wrote:
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> Does anyone know websites with chair-designs or the history of
> chair-design ?
Here you go--(takes time to load--but worth the wait)
             http://www.iserv.net/~plucas/
best wishes,
joseph
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One word of caution. We use a citrus cleaner for crayons/oil pastels off of
surfaces. One day I used it, and ten minutes later my hands had blown up
like a balloon. I am mildly intolerant of citrus (I can eat small amounts,
but eating several oranges in one day will cause a mild reaction). I never
thought about the concentration of citrus in the cleaner causing a topical
reaction. Check with the students if they are even mildly allergic have them
wear vinyl gloves when handling citrus cleaners.
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CAM Administrator
San Angelo Museum of Fine Arts/Children's Art Museum
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> Citra solve-----non toxic and SMELLS GREAT!!!
>
Citrus cleaners are a solvent for oil based products. I use this in cleaning
bicycle parts and to degrease chains etc.  Non toxic and biodegradable.  You
can get a concentrated solution to thin with water and use from a local bike
store.
Ken  Schwab
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If dispute about this ever comes up at your school, you might want to point
out some facts published in Ann Landers' column last week.  This wasn't
researched by Ann so I tend to not question its accuracy. ;>)
"Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge in 1892.  It was fairly simple and said,
'I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the republic for which it stands -
one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'
 In 1923, the pledge was changed so that "my flag" became "the flag of the
United States of America," although Bellamy objected.  In 1954, during the
McCarthy era, the words "under God" were added by an act of Congress after
much political lobbying.  The assumption was that all nonbelievers were
Communists.  I suspect Bellamy would not have liked this.  It discriminates
against atheists.
 Ironically, the pledge has been championed by various conservative groups,
despite the fact that its author was a Socialist."
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I trust everyone appreciates that I did not re-start this thread, nor have I
contributed to it (up to this point) - after all, this list is *not* the
place to be discussing politics (especially when a lot of the dialogue is
about what poor choices we are offered by the two Dominant parties).
And I don't want 'Nnaell' to take this all as being aimed at her comments,
although there are some points of hers which I'll start with.
> A friend (male) who is voting for Ralph Nadar.  I find Mr. Nadar an
incredible
> candidate.  But I cannot vote for him.  Because as a woman, artist and
> educator I have to be a realist.
This is a neat little package:
	A male friend is voting for Nader.
	I find Nader an incredible candidate.
	As a woman, artist, educator I have to be a realist.
	Therefore, I cannot vote for Nader
First of all, there seems to be a thinly veiled female chauvinism here, as
if voting for Nader were a 'guy thing'.  It's not.
More to follow, it seems that women, artists and educators *must* be
realists.  For myself, I know that that flies in the face of a lot of women
I've known personally, and if artists must be realists, then what becomes of
Impressionism, Cubism, Pointillism (sp?), and Surrealism?  And, yes,
Educators, as with anyone in their job, must be, at least in part, realists.
But I worry when Educators and others lose their Vision for what can be, and
their Idealism gets buried beneath mundane and pedantic arguments.
> I agree voting for Mr. Nadar is not a wasted vote.
> At least it is a vote, making a decision.
Then, by your own statements, you should not waste your vote, vote your
conscience, and vote for the "incredible candidate" you want.
Look, elections are NOT about picking the lesser of two evils from one of
the Dominant Parties.  This asserts that we can only choose from what they
offer us.  The point of a Democracy is not to vote for one party or another,
or to pick the lesser of two evils.  The point of a Democracy is for  the
"vox populi" - the "voice of the people" - to be heard and taken into
account.  The choice given us by the Dominant Parties is not that much
different from the lack of representation forced upon the American colonies
by the British Crown....UNLESS we vote our conscience!  What kind of a
Democracy do we have if people are scared into stifling their consciences
and expressing their true political ideals?
> Perhaps, next time around I can vote my conscience.
Next time may be too late, especially since Nader and the Green Party need
the show of support now to qualify for Federal campaign funding in four
years.  So long as the Dominant Parties scare people into not voting for
alternative parties, we will continue to have ONLY a two party system,
controlled and dictated by those two parties.  This may be one of the few
existing true bi-partisan agreements!
Lawrence A. Parker
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The Ohio Center for Critical Thinking Instruction
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"Lawrence A. Parker" wrote:
 
> Next time may be too late, especially since Nader and the Green Party need
> the show of support...
As far as I know Mr. Nader (the latest flavor of the month--remember
Perot?) has never been elected to any office, including town dog
catcher; instead decides to run for the highest office in the land!  I
thought only rich men or megalomaniacs did that--ie., people with
absolutely no experience working within the political system as
representatives of the people who elected them, rather than outsiders
carping at the flaws in the system and claiming that only *they* can do
better!
One thing about Bush and Gore that's to their credit and speaks to way
they might handle the office--they have experience as elected political
figures. And in any field of endeavor--experience matters!
best wishes,
joseph
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> I thought only rich men or megalomaniacs did that--
They do, and they're called politicians...!
Remember the line we were all raised with that anyone in America could grow
up to be President?  Well, that's not really true, is it?  You have to have
a lot of money and the backing of one of the two Dominant Parties.  And, you
have to play their games.
There is nothing in our Constitution which limits us to a two-party system,
yet we have functionally been kept to that by the two Dominant Parties.  The
best evidence of this has been the systematic exclusion of third-party
candidates in this election.  We should be most concerned that this
exclusion has so strongly affected our media.  One must wonder who controls
them...; and why?
> One thing about Bush and Gore that's to their credit and speaks to way
> they might handle the office--they have experience as elected political
> figures. And in any field of endeavor--experience matters!
Ok, so let's look at that "experience".  I have heard very little about any
good that Bush has done in Texas.  In fact, it is failing on many accounts.
Gore, though he speaks well, virtually disappeared during Clinton's
administration, and no more was heard about his pro-environment rhetoric.
Nader, on the other hand, has a proven history of working, often at his own
expense, for the environment, for public safety, for the common people and
against corporate interests and influence.
Perhaps it IS time for a NON-politician to try running the country.
Lawrence A. Parker
Philosopher/Educational Consultant
The Ohio Center for Critical Thinking Instruction
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"Lawrence A. Parker" wrote:
> 
> > I thought only rich men or megalomaniacs did that--
> 
> They do, and they're called politicians...!
Just for the record Lawrence, it should be noted that you're posts are
also cc'd to the Greens and are merely proselytizing for that group and
its candidates. Thus a political forum, rather than an arts list, may be
a more appropriate venue for these types of postings.
Best wishes,
joseph
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Subject: You Are Blessed!
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                   You Are Blessed!
 If you woke up this morning with more health than illness...you are more
blessed than the million
who will not survive this week.
 If you have never experienced the danger of battle, the loneliness of
imprisonment, the agony of
torture, or the pangs of starvation....you are ahead of 500 million people
in the world.
 If you can attend a church meeting without fear of harassment, arrest,
torture, or death...you are more blessed than three billion people in the
world.
 If you have food in the refrigerator, clothes on your back, a roof overhead
and a place to sleep ...you are richer than 75% of this world.
 If you have money in the bank, in your wallet, and spare change in a dish
someplace...you are among the top 8% of the world's wealthy.
 If your parents are still alive and still married...you are very rare, even
in the United States.
 If you hold up your head with a smile on your face and are truly
thankful...you are blessed because the majority can, but most do not.
 If you can hold someone's hand, hug them or even touch them on the
shoulder...you are blessed because you can offer healing touch.
 If you can read this message, you just received a double blessing in that
someone was thinking of you, and furthermore, you are more blessed than over
two billion people in the world who cannot  read at all.
 Have a good day, count your blessings, and pass this along to remind
everyone else how blessed we all are.
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> Just for the record Lawrence, it should be noted that you're posts are
> also cc'd to the Greens and are merely proselytizing for that group and
> its candidates. Thus a political forum, rather than an arts list, may be
> a more appropriate venue for these types of postings.
Just for the record, Joseph, that's a poor response.
As you pointed out, I cc'd the mail, not Bcc'd, so I was already on record.
You're creating a "straw man" offense and trying to condemn me for it.
You're not a politician, are you?  Or are you just angry with yourself
because you cannot also vote your conscience?
Nor am I proselytizing for the Green Party.  I am advocating the candidate I
believe to be the best of three rather than the worse of two.
As for why I cc'd it to them, I merely thought that their list members would
be interested in what I had to say on these points.
And, as for choosing a political forum rather than the arts list, as I said
at the top of my post, I didn't start this thread again and in fact have
made a point of staying out of it up until now.
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> ...and are merely proselytizing for that group and its candidates.
..I thought my post was more to the point of what a Democracy was all
about, and it was addressed to someone (Nnaell) who had already stated that
her choice of conscience was Nader. '>)
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Try the Vitra Museum of Design in Germany.  
> "C. Pelgrim" wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know websites with chair-designs or the history of
> chair-design ?
> Greetings Cees Pelgrim cpelgrim@che.nl
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"Lawrence A. Parker" wrote:
> You're not a politician, are you?  Or are you just angry with yourself
> because you cannot also vote your conscience?
No to both questions.
> 
> Nor am I proselytizing for the Green Party.  I am advocating the candidate I
> believe to be the best of three rather than the worse of two.
> 
Not only are you proselytizing for the Greens and Mr. Nader you're
either terribly misinformed on the number of candidates running for the
presidency in the year 2000--by my count, at least 12, or you're a 
hypocrite.  Let's be fair to all Lawrence--by acknowledging just 2 of
Mr. Nader's fellow candidates and ignoring the other nine, you're simply
practicing a form of political skullduggery that you claim your
candidate opposes!
For your edification:
http://www.politics1.com/p2000.htm
Best wishes,
joseph
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you are right...there is a slight feminist skew to my beliefs.  I feel men 
are more at liberty to make a protest vote as they have less at stake 
(waiting to be stoned at this point!!!)  The next president will probably be 
responsible for providing nominations for the next three members of the 
supreme court.  One of the key debates that will come up under a Republican 
influenced court/congress/president is a woman's right to choose.  (I am not 
going to debat the moral/ethical issues regarding this topic)  While I agree 
this affects men as husbands and fathers...it does not affect them as child 
bearers.  The supreme court will out last either one of these candidates.  I 
(and only I, you can do what you want) have to place my vote for the person I 
believe will do the least amount of harm.  I would love to vote for Mr. 
Nadar...but there is no chance on this earth he will be elected president.  
Sad but pretty much true...not accounting for acts of god of course!  
That is all I am saying.....lol  <slinking off to corner!>
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	There is a George Bellows lithograph that pokes fun at jurors
bending over and analyzing works of art for selection into an exhibit. It's
obvious Bellows did not like jurors or critics.  You can do a similar art
preview and really ham it up by doing some little critics' review of a "far
out" work of art. What would a primary level student have to say as a
critic.  Also, the titles of some 20th century works of art are really
funny and lend themselves to gag jokes when compared to the actual work of
art.
	Ann-on-y-mouse in Columbus
>I'm seeking the combined humor of ArtsEdNetTalkers. Anything funny
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On 11/5/00 6:24 PM, Nnaell@aol.com at Nnaell@aol.com wrote:
> I cannot vote my conscience.  I have to vote for the
> person I need to win from the two viable candidates.  See the delima?  I
> agree voting for Mr. Nadar is not a wasted vote.
If everyone actually voted for the person they thought best qualified to
lead the country, instead of worrying about what MIGHT happen, maybe the
best person would actually WIN.  Nader is not FOR SALE. Isn't that worth
voting for? 
 
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>> Nor am I proselytizing for the Green Party.  I am advocating
>> the candidate I believe to be the best of three rather than
>> the worse of two.
> Not only are you proselytizing for the Greens and Mr. Nader
No, by strict definition I am, as I said above, advocating - declaring my
support for - Nader.
Proselytizing implies that I am trying to convert people, which I am not in
regard to candidates as much as I am in regard to their voting their
consciences.  Certainly, vote for whomever you think is best for the job
(BEST - not better of the worse), but vote.  And vote your choice because it
reflects your beliefs, not because you think they are the only choices
offered.
> you're
> either terribly misinformed on the number of candidates running for the
> presidency in the year 2000--by my count, at least 12,
Yes, and No.  Of course I know there are more, but most of the discussion
has been around Bush, Gore and Nader, and the email I was responding to was
about Nader.  However, I was not aware that there were that many.  And your
count was off: of all active candidates, there are well over 60.
> For your edification:
>
> http://www.politics1.com/p2000.htm
Very edifying!  Thank you!  My favorite was David Broida:
"While Broida maintained he was a serious candidate for President, his
comments were rather amusing. Check out his 20 statements, including: "5. I
have never served jail time. I am not a crook, yet. ... 10. I promise
nothing. I can back that up 100%. ... 16. I will not end racism. But I might
try to ban the Indy 500. ... [and] 20. I will not attempt to make a bigger
fool of myself than any other president ever did." A former warehouse clerk,
Broida withdrew from the race in March 2000: "I got a new job, so I really
don't care anymore," he explained."
> or you're a
> hypocrite.  Let's be fair to all Lawrence--by acknowledging just 2 of
> Mr. Nader's fellow candidates and ignoring the other nine, you're simply
> practicing a form of political skullduggery that you claim your
> candidate opposes!
>
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> That is all I am saying.....lol  <slinking off to corner!>
No, don't! - Points well taken, and I understand your "feminist" slant (more
reproductive gender than feminist).
And, do I think Nader will be elected president?  Realistically,...No; not
this time.
But I strongly feel that the cycle needs to be broken and soon, and voting
my conscience for Nader this time will, I hope, begin to send a message to
Washington and to other disaffected voters.
Thanks for your input!
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I'm sorry- but I honestly believe that one of the viable candidates will
do far more damage to us as artists, educators and women- as well as
inhabitants of this world- and I don't want to do anything that will
give that candidate a better chance of winning. Gore may not be ideal,
but he is a far, far better choice than Bush.
Heather
PHimmelber@aol.com wrote:
> Is this to say, that as a realist, you don't have to vote your
> conscience?
> Realistically, neither of your "viable" candidates will do much to
> help us as
> artists, educators or men and women. Courage to stand up for your
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> and not just get in line with the masses is how we earned our
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> hope is that you will profess the courage of your convictions. Peter
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I'm sorry- but I honestly believe that one of the viable candidates will
do far more damage to us as artists, educators and women- as well as inhabitants
of this world- and I don't want to do anything that will give that candidate
a better chance of winning. Gore may not be ideal, but he is a far, far
better choice than Bush.
<br>Heather
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Larry - I loved what you said here and I visited the Wet canvas website - 
what a great resource!  Thanks so much!
Jean in San Diego
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Subject: Re: jumping into the fray
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On 11/6/00 10:23 AM, Heather Leal at rayleal@earthlink.net wrote:
<Gore may not be ideal, but he is a far, far better choice than Bush. >
Choosing Gore over Bush, or Bush over Gore. Hmmm. Gore is caught up in his
own considerably deranged ego and is a proven liar. Bush is in the pockets
of big corporations and not all that smart. It's a toss up there for the
yuckies. Then there is Nader --- Nader is truthful, a good American and
advocate for the American citizen, not in anyone's pocket, and he's
incredibly bright (and funny too). I know Nader won't win, but  he is the
choice of many people with conscience and he's got my vote. However, one
thing that does concern me about Nader is his running mate, Winona LaDuke -
she is a total nutball chosen not by Nader, but by the Green Party. I heard
Nader and LaDuke speak in Portland earlier this year. If only she hadn't
spoken!! But even so, he's an amazing candidate. His  plans to rework the
budget are like that movie, "Dave", if you recall... Dave cut the junk out
of spending and put it where it mattered. That's what Nader says he would
do.
I know, I know. He won't be elected. But I don't believe I'm wasting my
vote, and I understand the whole chatter about how it will be wasted. But a
vote is never wasted.
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Subject: a wasted vote?
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Vote Tomorrow!
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
- If current polls showing very close races are accurate, one voter
in each precinct of the United States will determine the outcome. 
Please, be that voter in YOUR precinct.
- In 1948, just one additional vote in each precinct would have
elected Thomas Dewey.
- In 1976, less then one vote in each precinct in Ohio could have
elected President Ford.
- Thomas Jefferson was elected president by one vote in the Electoral
College. So was John Quincy Adams. 
- And in Congress, one vote gave statehood to California, Idaho,
Oregon, Texas and Washington. The Draft Act of World War II passed
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This election is not a religious experience.  This is the real world folks.
It is not nirvana.  I too wish that we had other choices, but we don't.
Please make your vote count. 
We know where Gore stands on the Supreme Court, the economy and the
environment.  Gore has a record of working in Congress and the Executive
Branch.  He understands how the government works and how to get the
government working.  His interests are for prosperity for the middle class,
saving choice for women, equality for minorities, protecting the environment
and strengthening public education.
We know where Bush stands on the Supreme Court - abortion will be outlawed,
women will have to go the illegal route to take care of themselves - on the
economy - the tax cut is for those earning over $300,000, not you or me - on
the environment - Texas has one of the worst records for smog at current
times - on education - while Bush sends his daughters to a public high
school, he supports vouchers, not public education - Texas' records on
public education are extremely poor.   Bush is a Governor in a state where
the governor plays a very small part in state government.  He does not
understand how the federal government or the Congress works.
Nadar has been a very important gadfly working outside of the system and has
made extremely valuable contributions in that capacity.  Even if he could be
elected, he does not have a record of working with or in a legislative body
at the state or federal level.  He is a spoiler in this election.  He
appears to offer a real choice.  He is not Harry Truman.  He is a vote
against Gore and will help Bush to win.  
Please choose wisely for our future.
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Subject: African art ideas- NOT MASKS
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I am looking for a good art lesson that can be done with elementary students
that examines an African art form. I DONT want to do masks. Does anyone have
any good ideas that dont involve eating 100 boxes of oatmeal to get the
canisters??
Thanks as always!
Dawn Wilson Low
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Check out the National Museum of African Art at www.si.edu
Print making:  adinkra stamps
Weaving:  African strip woven cloth
Drawing:  African sculpture and masks
Also:  Asafo flags from Ghana, Kuba textiles from Zaire, Ashanti Gold
weights from Ghana
African folk tales:  Anansi the Spider (video and book)
-Peg Blechman
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Subject: Re: African art ideas- sample ideas
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You  need African ideas that are not drums or masks. Good for you!
Can you get a copy of Global Art (Gryphon House), by Kohl and Potter? We
have SooOOoooOOO many African ideas in the book.
Also, you can go to this website, where Gryphon House has some free sample
activities from the book. Several are from Africa.
http://www.ghbooks.com/getpage.cfm?file=/activity/18827.html&userid=10045170
One is Grigri Charms, and one is Metal Casting. The book has many more than
these two samples. No drums.  
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Subject: making chalkboards
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How do most of you on our mailing list make individual chalkboards...
Do you just spray chalkboard paint on squares of Masonite board?
Anything different to it than this?
Any suggestions for making them work well??
Is there anyway to "make" a dry erase board?
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>Is there anyway to "make" a dry erase board?
I buy sheets of "tileboard" from Home Depot, it's 8 or 9 dollars for a
4'x8' sheet, you can cut it into smaller boards with a skillsaw.
Thanks Mary Ann, for all your great input on the list!
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As promised, I am writing the second part of the events of yesterday.
No sooner than 10 minutes after I left the wedding and arrived back 
at my house (the wedding celebration was still going on), did I begin 
my next adventure. I was invited to go with a fellow teacher and her 
family to a Malian Christian family in a village about a half hour 
away from Bamako.
The village
As you turn off the main paved road (the road from Bamako is actually 
MUCH better than many of the roads IN the main part of Bamako 
itself), you start heading down a maze of narrow dirt roads/paths. 
The house compounds are quite near each other, clustered amidst a 
vast area of savannah and some fields. The houses are small, many 
perhaps only one room. The houses are made of mud bricks. There are 
no glass windows, but there is a large metal door. Cooking is done 
outside. There is no electricity, but recently wells have been 
upgraded- mounded slightly with concrete and secured with a cover. 
These two factors have helped in reducing the amount of deaths due to 
children accidentally falling in open wells.
Each house has a wall around its border, providing some privacy - and 
helping the chickens or other animals to stay in the yard. Sometimes 
there are several homes, inhabited by extended families. Next to the 
house of the family we visited was a small chicken coop, again made 
out of mud bricks. Also present: an  area for trash (sort of a 
compost heap), a small garden, and a shade tree or two. Most villages 
of any size have a mosque, however small and humble in appearance. 
Children could be found throughout the village, rolling a tire with a 
stick, playing soccer, or riding a bike. As usual, women and girls 
were more typically found working hard, preparing meals, gathering 
food, washing clothes, etc.
The Father
	The father of the family recounted his early beginnings in 
life. Like so many others in Mali, he had to deal with death at an 
early age. In fact, he never knew his father. Unable to provide for 
her many children, the mother dispersed her children to live with 
family members or others of the village. He was sent to live with the 
village chief. Like many in his village, the family held more 
traditional, or animist beliefs. A mission church settled in the 
area, spreading the Gospel in the native language of Bambara. The 
church also began to teach people how to read and write, a luxury not 
offered by the village. He took advantage of both, learning to read 
and write as well as learning more about Christ. The teachings 
appealed to him. All was well until one of his uncles converted to 
Islam. This uncle suddenly had no tolerance for Christians 
whatsoever, including his on nephew. At first the young boy did learn 
about the Islam religion, but soon realized that Christ was the One. 
Warned of the possible consequences if he did not recant his 
religious decision, the young boy held firm. One day he found his few 
belongings outside the house entryway, a direct message that he was 
to leave and go on his own - at the age of 10.
	Even now, the father and his family faces persecution (abeit 
sometimes subtle). They are the only Christian family in the village. 
The oldest son went and earned a degree in civil engineering, but 
can't find a job in that profession- the only jobs available are with 
the government, and they wouldn't hire a Malian christian. The father 
is also without a job, and spends a fair amount of time providing 
food for his family by planting and harvesting fields of millet and 
other items. Plowing is done with simple plows and a donkey, but the 
harvesting is done by hand.
	Despite their many hardships, this family has extended its 
hand to people even more needy then they. When a child of a relative 
lost her parents, they took her in and adopted her. More recently, 
the family took in a large family (children and a widowed mother) who 
were homeless. And no matter how little food they had, Malian 
families always make sure that their guests have plenty to eat.
	For supper we sat on some benches and a small table, 
sheltered from the sun by a tin roof upheld by wooden poles - their 
family worship area. After handwashing, everyone gathered around the 
large bowls of food - some millet cuscous, lentil beans, and some 
chicken smothered in peanut sauce. The mother began scooping heaping 
portions of the millet in two bowls. The rest of the food was heaped 
in the middle of each bowl. Gathering around one of the bowls, each 
person proceeded to eat by scooping with their right hand, eating the 
food that was in the area just in front of them. The sauce, when 
poured over the millet, gave the dry textured food some flavor and 
moistness. More helpings were provided until everyone had their fill. 
Just when I thought it was finished, they brought out a watermelon 
grown locally and began cutting it with a rather dull looking small 
knife. On top of the tender chicken and tasty sauce, we were 
presented with a large slice of watermelon to eat!
  Shortly after all had their fill, we packed up to leave. Kind words 
were exchanged and photos were taken. Soon the sun would set; much 
needed to be done yet in the available light. Thanking all for their 
generous hospitality, we left the small village and headed back 
towards the sprawling village of Bamako.
Although I've seen it before, this visit once again reminded me how 
people can be happy even though they don't have material things. 
Family and faith held this man and his family together and made it 
prosper. While he could have easily given up either as a child or as 
a adult, this man did not give up and held fast to his faith and 
family. How blessed we are in the US that we are not persecuted for 
our beliefs - that we are free to believe as we want! And the 
family's generosity, extending out a hand to the orphaned girl and a 
homeless family - when they themselves were poor and on hard times! 
Indeed, there are many things that I and others in a modern society 
need to work on. We can learn so much from people in poor, developing 
countries.
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<div>As promised, I am writing the second part of the events of
yesterday.</div>
<div>No sooner than 10 minutes after I left the wedding and arrived
back at my house (the wedding celebration was still going on), did I
begin my next adventure. I was invited to go with a fellow teacher
and her family to a Malian Christian family in a village about a half
hour away from Bamako.</div>
<div><b>The village</b></div>
<div>As you turn off the main paved road (the road from Bamako is
actually MUCH better than many of the roads IN the main part of
Bamako itself), you start heading down a maze of narrow dirt
roads/paths. The house compounds are quite near each other, clustered
amidst a vast area of savannah and some fields. The houses are small,
many perhaps only one room. The houses are made of mud bricks. There
are no glass windows, but there is a large metal door. Cooking is
done outside. There is no electricity, but recently wells have been
upgraded- mounded slightly with concrete and secured with a cover.
These two factors have helped in reducing the amount of deaths due to
children accidentally falling in open wells.</div>
<div>Each house has a wall around its border, providing some privacy
- and helping the chickens or other animals to stay in the yard.
Sometimes there are several homes, inhabited by extended families.
Next to the house of the family we visited was a small chicken coop,
again made out of mud bricks. Also present: an&nbsp; area for trash
(sort of a compost heap), a small garden, and a shade tree or two.
Most villages of any size have a mosque, however small and humble in
appearance. Children could be found throughout the village, rolling a
tire with a stick, playing soccer, or riding a bike. As usual, women
and girls were more typically found working hard, preparing meals,
gathering food, washing clothes, etc.</div>
<div><b>The Father</b></div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>The
father of the family recounted his early beginnings in life. Like so
many others in Mali, he had to deal with death at an early age. In
fact, he never knew his father. Unable to provide for her many
children, the mother dispersed her children to live with family
members or others of the village. He was sent to live with the
village chief. Like many in his village, the family held more
traditional, or animist beliefs. A mission church settled in the
area, spreading the Gospel in the native language of Bambara. The
church also began to teach people how to read and write, a luxury not
offered by the village. He took advantage of both, learning to read
and write as well as learning more about Christ. The teachings
appealed to him. All was well until one of his uncles converted to
Islam. This uncle suddenly had no tolerance for Christians
whatsoever, including his on nephew. At first the young boy did learn
about the Islam religion, but soon realized that Christ was the One.
Warned of the possible consequences if he did not recant his
religious decision, the young boy held firm. One day he found his few
belongings outside the house entryway, a direct message that he was
to leave and go on his own - at the age of 10.</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Even
now, the father and his family faces persecution (abeit sometimes
subtle). They are the only Christian family in the village. The
oldest son went and earned a degree in civil engineering, but can't
find a job in that profession- the only jobs available are with the
government, and they wouldn't hire a Malian christian. The father is
also without a job, and spends a fair amount of time providing food
for his family by planting and harvesting fields of millet and other
items. Plowing is done with simple plows and a donkey, but the
harvesting is done by hand.</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</x-tab>Despite their many hardships, this family has extended its
hand to people even more needy then they. When a child of a relative
lost her parents, they took her in and adopted her. More recently,
the family took in a large family (children and a widowed mother) who
were homeless. And no matter how little food they had, Malian
families always make sure that their guests have plenty to eat.</div>
<div><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>For
supper we sat on some benches and a small table, sheltered from the
sun by a tin roof upheld by wooden poles - their family worship area.
After handwashing, everyone gathered around the large bowls of food -
some millet cuscous, lentil beans, and some chicken smothered in
peanut sauce. The mother began scooping heaping portions of the
millet in two bowls. The rest of the food was heaped in the middle of
each bowl. Gathering around one of the bowls, each person proceeded
to eat by scooping with their right hand, eating the food that was in
the area just in front of them. The sauce, when poured over the
millet, gave the dry textured food some flavor and moistness. More
helpings were provided until everyone had their fill. Just when I
thought it was finished, they brought out a watermelon grown locally
and began cutting it with a rather dull looking small knife. On top
of the tender chicken and tasty sauce, we were presented with a large
slice of watermelon to eat!</div>
<div>&nbsp;Shortly after all had their fill, we packed up to leave.
Kind words were exchanged and photos were taken. Soon the sun would
set; much needed to be done yet in the available light. Thanking all
for their generous hospitality, we left the small village and headed
back towards the sprawling village of Bamako.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Although I've seen it before, this visit once again reminded me
how people can be happy even though they don't have material things.
Family and faith held this man and his family together and made it
prosper. While he could have easily given up either as a child or as
a adult, this man did not give up and held fast to his faith and
family. How blessed we are in the US that we are not persecuted for
our beliefs - that we are free to believe as we want! And the
family's generosity, extending out a hand to the orphaned girl and a
homeless family - when they themselves were poor and on hard times!
Indeed, there are many things that I and others in a modern society
need to work on. We can learn so much from people in poor, developing
countries.</div>
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>I am looking for a good art lesson that can be done with elementary students
>that examines an African art form. I DONT want to do masks. Does anyone have
>any good ideas that dont involve eating 100 boxes of oatmeal to get the
>canisters??
>
>Thanks as always!
>
>Dawn Wilson Low
>
Perhaps I should run down a small list of what I have seen local 
artists make: Instruments, painting on glass (the scenes and style 
reminds me of Mexican bark painting), woodburning (usually onto 
gourds or wood), sculpture of so many kinds, woodcarving, 
basketweaving, beads and silver jewelry making, leatherwork, and 
textiles: tye-dye, boologan mud cloth, batik,applique, and so much 
more. I also like the  toy bicycles, vehicles, etc. that are created 
from recycled soda cans. I have examples of some of these things on 
my zing website. http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293704841
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I have more pictures that I just took and uploaded of my happenings 
in Bamako and the village.
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> Actually this debate depends on your state. Since we don't directly elect
> the president, but elect the electoral collage, who elect the president.
If
> your state is a toss up state, then voting for a third party candidate
might
> get the worse of two evils elected rather than the least offensive.  On
the
> other hand if your state is solidly behind the worse of the two evils,
then
> voting your conscience can help send a message
1.  Whose bright idea was this anyway?  How can we change it so that our
votes actually matter?
2.  When did we elect the electoral college?  I don't remember voting for
any of them.
3.  How do you know which candidate your electoral college is being paid to
vote for?
L
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When I have a class that seems to be going downhill, I try to go and pick them
up at their room.  This is a hassle, but it seems to work.  I also send notes to
parents.  Class size and classroom teacher seem to have a bearing on this.  If
it is seen as a free time by the classroom teacher, the kids seem to go a little
more nuts. Betsy
menichino wrote:
> Wow what is it with 2nd graders lately?  Seems like that's the group we have
> teal with
> this stuff, especially when, as 4th graders they were so wonderful.
> Liz in rural NY
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> > I have a class of second graders that has been increasingly disrespectful,
> > out of control, rude and can't even sit still long enough to hear the
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But I strongly feel that the cycle needs to be broken and soon, and voting
"Lawrence A. Parker" wrote:
> > This is the opportunity of these elections.  Nader may not win, but it
> certainly would send a message.
Time for this election arena to be tidied up a bit.  Just my thoughts.  Great
point Larry.  Betsy
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this site might be of some value http://www.iserv.net/~plucas/
I found it from a link at http://www.roycroft.org
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<snip>1.  Whose bright idea was this anyway?  How can we change it so that
our votes actually matter?<snip>
1. The founding fathers. They felt the election of the president was too
important to be directly elected (senators were appointed by state
legislatures in the beginning only Representatives were elected directly.
The Senate changed in 1913. (Amendment XVIII)). Each state gets electoral
votes equal to 2 senators + # of representatives in congress. Oh citizens of
DC get 3 votes also, but do not have voting representation in the congress
even though they pay federal taxes. The territories do not get a vote and do
not pay federal taxes.  It would take a constitutional amendment to switch
to a direct election. Will not happen unless electoral collage vote is
different than majority of popular election (No Clinton did not receive less
popular votes than one opponent he received a plurality (less than 50% more
than any other one candidate)
<SNIP> 2.  When did we elect the electoral college?  I don't remember voting
for any of them. <SNIP>
2. You vote tomorrow for them. The candidate who wins the popular vote in
your state gets all your electoral collage votes.
<snip> How do you know which candidate your electoral college is being paid
to vote for?<snip>
3. They vote for the candidate who wins the popular election in your state,
but they are not legally bound to do so.
Those who have been on the list know I prefer primary documents for this
type of discussion so I'm cutting and pasting the pertinent parts of Article
2 Section 1 and Amendment XII that deals with the electoral collage below
for you to read. As you can see the founders expect more that 2 major
parties to participate in the election. The candidates must get 270
electoral votes to win. If candidate A wins the larges 11 states and
candidate B wins the other 39, candidate A wins the presidency. Those 11
states are California 54, New York 33, Texas 32, Florida 25, PENNSYLVANIA
23, ILLINOIS 22, OHIO 21, MICHIGAN 18, NEW JERSEY 15, NORTH CAROLINA 14,
VIRGINIA 13, (Total 270)
Article II
Section 1.
The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of
America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and,
together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as
follows:
Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may
direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and
Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no
Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit
under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.
The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for
two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same
state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted
for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and
certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United
States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate
shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all
the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the
greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a
majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more
than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the
House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for
President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on
the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in
choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the
representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose
shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a
majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case,
after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of
votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should
remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them
by ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on
which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout
the United States.
<snip>
Amendment XII (1804)
The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for
President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an
inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their
ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the
person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of
all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as
Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall
sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the
United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of
the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of
Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be
counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President,
shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of
electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the
persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those
voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose
immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the
votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having
one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members
from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be
necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose
a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the
fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as
President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of
the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as
Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of
the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority,
then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the
Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the
whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be
necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the
office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the
United States.
From http://www.scruz.net/~jds/jon/US-Constitution.htm#2
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
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1.  Whose bright idea was this anyway?  How can we change it so that our
votes actually matter?
2.  When did we elect the electoral college?  I don't remember voting for
any of them.
3.  How do you know which candidate your electoral college is being paid to
vote for?
L
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So...my next question would be...<sorry I just can't stay in the corner!>  
When was the last time the electorial college did not vote for the person who 
had the most popular vote?  And...let's say GWB wins the pop but Gore wins 
the Electorial...OMG..and then then if even a few states went against what 
the pop vote was (per chance gore) then OMG...revolution!  lol  It is going 
to be a crazy day tomorrow!
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I did a lesson about kente cloth/vertical line patterns with my first 
graders.  
We read Anasi the Impossible.  Looked at the patterns in the book and the 
patterns on the clothing.  Talked about the Ashanti (pardon me if I get any 
of this wrong!) Looked at a book called Master Weavers of Ghana.  Then using 
water color paper (but I also did this with heavy white drawing paper) The 
students marked off vertical lines with masking tape.  In the unmasked 
sections, they used a white crayon to create a pattern, then they used a 
water color wash (yes...first graders can understand using water color 
wash!!!)  They turned out fantastic!  Big tip...wait for them to completely 
dry before removing tape.  Also, once tape was removed, students could wash 
those sections as well.  
I also did a lesson with Kindergarten about suns (mandolas) red, yellow and 
orange.  I read an African folk tale called, Gift of the Sun.  Students used 
cut red, orange, and yellow construction and tissue papers to create suns.  
(also exploring circles and working on fine motor skills as had to cut out 
sun).
Hope this helps!
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I'm a democrat in Kansas, and yes my vote will be lost cause of course
Kansas will go republican. But, I still vote.  My real hope this year is
that
Al and Joe will win the electoral college and George and Dick will get
the popular
vote.  That should raise enough ruckus to get rid of the electoral
college.
				Woody in KC
"Sears, Ellen" wrote:
> 
> Vote Tomorrow!
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 
> - If current polls showing very close races are accurate, one voter
> in each precinct of the United States will determine the outcome.
> Please, be that voter in YOUR precinct.
> 
> - In 1948, just one additional vote in each precinct would have
> elected Thomas Dewey.
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You know what really looks cool is if you use a perm marker and draw you 
design onto scrap laminating film or overhead paper. They can hang in the 
windows like stain glass.
>
> > You apply glue mixture (about 1 part glue to one part water) and place a
> >  piece of tissue.  Then cover by patting on more of the glue mixture.  I
> >  usually have students draw with permanent black marker and then apply
>color.
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Gee, sorry, the sentences got all mixed up.  Larry wrote the sentence below Rick
wrote. And I wrote what's below Lawrence wrote.  Everybody confused now?  Maybe
nobody cared anyway.  Betsy
Rick wrote:
> But I strongly feel that the cycle needs to be broken and soon, and voting
>
> "Lawrence A. Parker" wrote:
>
> > > This is the opportunity of these elections.  Nader may not win, but it
> > certainly would send a message.
>
> Time for this election arena to be tidied up a bit.  Just my thoughts.  Great
> point Larry.  Betsy
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On 11/6/00 6:36 PM, Woody Duncan at wduncan@kc.rr.com wrote:
> That should raise enough ruckus to get rid of the electoral
> college.
> Woody in KC
That's a true true statement, Woody. It's time to bid the whole electoral
bullorama a fond farewell. Maybe Nader will abolish it when he's president.
hee hee. Then again, I bet if he were to become president,  he actually
would try. He's got all sorts of great new ideas that make sense, and his
record as a man shows he's not afraid to make things happen - even without
being an elected official.
His big slogan for Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday is:
        Nader...Not For Sale...
 I'll be wasting my vote tomorrow.
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Have a great deal of respect for someone who is not molded by the Big Two... 
I join you in voting my conscience. Peter
Mary Ann wrote: 
I know, I know. He won't be elected. But I don't believe I'm wasting my
vote, and I understand the whole chatter about how it will be wasted. But a
vote is never wasted.
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<BR>Mary Ann wrote: 
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Hello all,
The principal wants me to do the windows. I was thinking of using tissue 
paper and give it a stain glass look. Did anyone ever use tissue paper and 
glue on windows befor? Will it come off? Any suggestions on a great way to 
draw the black lines or designs of the stain glass?
Thanks Christine
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We are making these in my first gr.  The kids love these and they're
very successful.  I have shown different examples of Navajo blankets,
clothing,( I began by showing a painting of an Indian by George Catlin
to set the mood)  etc. We identify shapes and patterns. They are allowed
to chose 3 (if 4"wide) or 4(if 3"wide) different colors of construction
paper to make a pattern.  Ie: two red and a yellow.  I demonstrate
folding a strip of the 4"x12 "in colored paper in half and then half
again.  First we cut a simple shapes out of each of the folds, then open
and line up on a 12x18 pc. manilla.  Then we try alittle elabotation on
the 2nd pc. cutting combined shapes out each side of the folded strip.
Unfold and lay on the manilla.  Finish with remaining strips and then
glue.  Scraps from the cutouts may be glued on top for added pattern.
OOOh and AAaah every time.
Hope someone can use this.  Betsy
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Subject: Re: window painting (stained glass?)
From: MaryAnn Kohl <maryann@brightring.com>
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On 11/6/00 4:01 PM, christine kotarsky at ernst85@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hello all,
> The principal wants me to do the windows. I was thinking of using tissue
> paper and give it a stain glass look. Did anyone ever use tissue paper and
> glue on windows befor? Will it come off? Any suggestions on a great way to
> draw the black lines or designs of the stain glass?
> Thanks Christine
WHOAAAAA! IT will be nearly impossible to get off!! Don't do it with glue!!!
It might be better with liquid starch to paint the tissue on, but even that
is pretty rock hard when dry. I wouldn't do either. But here's an idea
below:
Can you have the kids work on big pieces of Saran Wrap (or any clear plastic
wrap), and then static electricity will keep the wrap sticking to the
windows, with help from some tape. If you live in a very cold climate, you
will definitely need the tape.
I would tape the Saran Wrap (actually, my favorite is Stretch Tight) to the
kids' worktables --- cover the entire table with it. Then have the kids cut
out shapes from colored tissue, and paint them onto the plastic wrap. Dry
overnight or several hours. Then tape the big sheets of colored plastic into
the windows.
_______________________
MaryAnn F. Kohl
maryann@brightring.com
http://www.brightring.com
_______________________
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:28:48 -0800
Subject: Nail Collage
From: MaryAnn Kohl <maryann@brightring.com>
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Go to: http://brightring.com/nailcollage.html
to see the illustrations for this great project for ALLLLL ages. I really
like the variations listed at the end too. The way kids just love to hammer,
this is always a hit (no pun intended).
==============
Nail Collage
printed with permission from "Scribble Art" (Bright Ring), Kohl
Materials
                 base wood piece, about 8" x 8", or
                 any other size
                 hammer
                 nails in all sizes and variety
                 work table
Process
1.Hammer the nails into the wood square which is the base. The idea of this
collage is to use the highs and lows of the nail heights to make a design.
Also, the sizes of the nail-heads will add to the design. Some nails are
black and some are silvery, others are gray, and some are white. Use this
for design and form. Nails can be very close together, or spaced farther
apart. The design is completely up to the artist.
2.When the collage is complete, the nails can be pulled out again (some
artists really enjoy this!), or the collage can be displayed.
Variations
-     Add other items into the collage such as those found in
Design Board, p.134 of Scribble Art. Add screws, nuts, bolts, and other
hardware. 
-     Cover the collage with aluminum foil, with nails poking through or
with nails making a bumpy design under the foil.
-    Cover the board before beginning with foil, paint, paper, or fabric.
_______________________
MaryAnn F. Kohl
maryann@brightring.com
http://www.brightring.com
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ike the variations listed at the end too. The way kids just love to hammer, =
this is always a hit (no pun intended).<BR>
<BR>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>
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hl<BR>
<BR>
Materials<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;base wood piece, about 8&quot; x 8&quot;, or<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;any other size <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;hammer <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;nails in all sizes and variety <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;work table <BR>
<BR>
Process<BR>
1.Hammer the nails into the wood square which is the base. The idea of this=
 collage is to use the highs and lows of the nail heights to make a design. =
Also, the sizes of the nail-heads will add to the design. Some nails are bla=
ck and some are silvery, others are gray, and some are white. Use this for d=
esign and form. Nails can be very close together, or spaced farther apart. T=
he design is completely up to the artist. <BR>
<BR>
2.When the collage is complete, the nails can be pulled out again (some art=
ists really enjoy this!), or the collage can be displayed. <BR>
<BR>
Variations<BR>
- &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Add other items into the collage such as those fo=
und in<BR>
Design Board, p.134 of Scribble Art. Add screws, nuts, bolts, and other har=
dware. <BR>
- &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Cover the collage with aluminum foil, with nails =
poking through or with nails making a bumpy design under the foil. <BR>
- &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Cover the board before beginning with foil, paint, pape=
r, or fabric. <BR>
<BR>
_______________________<BR>
<BR>
MaryAnn F. Kohl<BR>
maryann@brightring.com<BR>
http://www.brightring.com &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
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The person with at least a simple majority in the popular vote has always
one the electoral collage vote, I believe. If one wins the popular vote and
another the electoral, I believe the rule of law will prevail for this term,
but by the next general election an amendment will be passed switching to a
straight popular vote.
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
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San Angelo Museum of Fine Arts/Children's Art Museum
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So...my next question would be...<sorry I just can't stay in the corner!>
When was the last time the electorial college did not vote for the person
who
had the most popular vote?  And...let's say GWB wins the pop but Gore wins
the Electorial...OMG..and then then if even a few states went against what
the pop vote was (per chance gore) then OMG...revolution!  lol  It is going
to be a crazy day tomorrow!
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Subject: Bookbinding site - and CD players
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Try this link about
http://www.sff.net/people/Brook.West/bind/bindit.html
I got it to work....If it still will not go for you--try omitting the
"bind/bindit.html" to go to the home page--then click on Japanese book
binding.
Here is another interesting site:
Traditional Book Arts:
Calligraphy, bookbinding, printing, illumination, supplies, links and
information
http://www.imprimatur.com/
About CD players....
At the end of the year last year, my 7th graders were SO GOOD...that I let
them bring in their CD payers (with head phones) if they donated money for a
fundraiser we were having for a student who had high medical bills. I think
I might try to do it again for my seventh graders. Maybe bring in money to
support the food bank --or some other community project. I, too, did not
allow sharing of CD's --nor did I allow them to go get them (players) if
they forgot them in their lockers. I will have to approach my administrator
to see what he thinks. Maybe if the 8th and 6th find out about this
reward--they will shape up a bit. 6th and 8th are good--just a bit too
chatty for my liking.
Judy
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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:42:52 -0800
Subject: profile silhouette
From: MaryAnn Kohl <maryann@brightring.com>
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This is a bit of an old idea for everyone in our group, but I am sharing it
because it makes a popular gift (holiday time?) or very large holiday card,
kind of like handprints ... because parents love these to save. They can
trace each other's silhouettes, and then cut them out, glue them on larger
paper after. If you glue it inside a large folded piece of paper, then it's
like a large card.
========
Profile Silhouette 
from the book, Global Art (Gryphon House), by Kohl and Potter
printed with permission http://brightring.com/profile.html
   Young artists cut out a silhouette of a friend's profile using a common
desk lamp, black paper, chalk and sharp scissors.
FRANCE
Did you know?
Although silhouette art was part of Roman
culture, the French are credited with the
side view or profile view of a person's head
and shoulder. The silhouette is directly cut
from a piece of paper and presented as a
simple form of a portrait.
Materials
                  chair
                  adjustable desk lamp
                  table
                  tape
                  black paper
                  white chalk
                  good, sharp scissors
                  other paper and white glue
Process
1. Arrange a chair about a foot from the wall.
2. Then place the lamp a foot from the chair and arrange the lamp
shining towards the wall. Test the lamp to see if it shines on the
wall. 
3. Tape the black paper to the wall where the light is shining.
4. Ask a friend to sit on the chair with one ear towards the wall and
the other towards the light. Test the silhouette to find if the
light shines to make a sharp outline of the person's profile. If it
does not make a clear profile, rearrange the chair and the light.
5. The person must remain very still while the profile is traced.
Trace the profile with white chalk.
6. After the profile is completed, cut out the profile on the chalk
line. 
7. Glue the profile to another sheet of paper of contrasting color
such as white for the finished profile silhouette.
_______________________
MaryAnn F. Kohl
maryann@brightring.com
http://www.brightring.com
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This is a bit of an old idea for everyone in our group, but I am sharing it=
 because it makes a popular gift (holiday time?) or very large holiday card,=
 kind of like handprints ... because parents love these to save. They can tr=
ace each other's silhouettes, and then cut them out, glue them on larger pap=
er after. If you glue it inside a large folded piece of paper, then it's lik=
e a large card.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR>
<B>Profile Silhouette <BR>
</B>from the book, <B><I>Global Art </I></B>(Gryphon House), by Kohl and Po=
tter<BR>
printed with permission http://brightring.com/profile.html>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<I>Young artists cut out a silhouette of a friend's prof=
ile using a common desk lamp, black paper, chalk and sharp scissors.<BR>
</I><BR>
FRANCE<BR>
Did you know?<BR>
Although silhouette art was part of Roman<BR>
culture, the French are credited with the<BR>
side view or profile view of a person's head<BR>
and shoulder. The silhouette is directly cut &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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rtrait.<BR>
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<BR>
Materials<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;chair <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;adjustable desk lamp <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;table <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;tape <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;black paper <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;white chalk <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;good, sharp scissors <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;other paper and white glue <BR>
<BR>
Process<BR>
1. Arrange a chair about a foot from the wall. <BR>
2. Then place the lamp a foot from the chair and arrange the lamp<BR>
shining towards the wall. Test the lamp to see if it shines on the<BR>
wall. <BR>
3. Tape the black paper to the wall where the light is shining. <BR>
4. Ask a friend to sit on the chair with one ear towards the wall and<BR>
the other towards the light. Test the silhouette to find if the<BR>
light shines to make a sharp outline of the person's profile. If it<BR>
does not make a clear profile, rearrange the chair and the light.<BR>
5. The person must remain very still while the profile is traced.<BR>
Trace the profile with white chalk. <BR>
6. After the profile is completed, cut out the profile on the chalk<BR>
 line. <BR>
7. Glue the profile to another sheet of paper of contrasting color<BR>
such as white for the finished profile silhouette. <BR>
_______________________<BR>
<BR>
MaryAnn F. Kohl<BR>
maryann@brightring.com<BR>
http://www.brightring.com &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
_______________________<BR>
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Well, folks, I got through my "crud" day..........and fairly painless as Mondays go!!!! My worst classes there are my middle school classes (imagine that!!). We had been drawing hands before we had the interuption of the Artists in residence visit. I wanted to continue the lesson, but knew it had gone dry.........so AS THEY WERE FILING INTO MY CLASS!!!------I had my LIGHTBULB MOMENT!!!---------HANDSCAPES!!!! Redrawing hands onto black construction paper and "hiding" them in landscapes or other drawings-------coloring in with oil pastels. They had a blast and got some fun results............stalagtites, airport runways, waterfalls, highways, flags.............what a hoot!! 
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<P>Well, folks, I got through my "crud" day..........and fairly painless as Mondays go!!!! My worst classes there are my middle school classes (imagine that!!). We had been drawing hands before we had the interuption of the Artists in residence visit. I wanted to continue the lesson, but knew it had gone dry.........so AS THEY WERE FILING INTO MY CLASS!!!------I had my LIGHTBULB MOMENT!!!---------HANDSCAPES!!!! Redrawing hands onto black construction paper and "hiding" them in landscapes or other drawings-------coloring in with oil pastels. They had a blast and got some fun results............stalagtites, airport runways, waterfalls, highways, flags.............what a hoot!! </P>
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Does the tissue paper peel off of the laminator film when the glue is dry?
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>
> You know what really looks cool is if you use a perm marker and draw you
> design onto scrap laminating film or overhead paper. They can hang in the
> windows like stain glass.
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> >
> > > You apply glue mixture (about 1 part glue to one part water) and place
a
> > >  piece of tissue.  Then cover by patting on more of the glue mixture.
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> > >  usually have students draw with permanent black marker and then apply
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Thank you for your post, Ellen.  I am still trying to explain to my kids 
about the "DUI" ticket of Bush/Cheney. 
 How's this?  If Clinton could run for a third term, he's win by a LANDSLIDE. 
 No doubt.  Lewinsky scandal and all.
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I agree with you, Heather.  As they say here in Chicago...I plan to vote 
EARLY and OFTEN!!!!!!!
GO GORE!
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Hi All,
    This was sent to me from another listserv I am part of....
Judy
ANNOUNCEMENT
The Wriston Fine Arts Center at Lawrence University,
in Appleton, Wisconsin, will present the exhibit
Four Contemporary Argentinean Artists.
Opening: November 17, 2000 at 6:00 pm
Guillermo Cuello,
Gustavo Fares,
Victor Chacon-Ferrey and
Ana Traversa
will show paintings, sculptures, objects, and videos.
Guillermo Cuello and Gustavo Fares will be at the
opening. Fares will present the opening lecture
"Putting It in Context: Four Contemporary Artists from
Argentina" on November 17, at 6:00 pm
For more information, contact
Gustavo Fares at faresg@lawrence,edu
or
Frank Lewis, Gallery Director at
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Oh well, if George W wins...I'm looking forward to him putting "food on my 
family."
I think I'd look really fashionable with a grapefuit on my head.
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Lydia,
These foam things are really cheap looking and are
short squat cylindrical shapes. They are blue. I have
no clue what they were used for originally. I really
don't think they are intended as art supplies. This
will take alot of brainstorming!
Jayna
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Subject: Re: window painting (stained glass?)
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I painted all the windows in the cafeteria in a floral/spring motif using
tempra paint.  I added glycerine and liquid soap to the paint.  I used the
treated paint to outline in black and added treated colors to fill in.
Although they fadded some from Spring to June,  the paint came off easily
with a spray bottle with h2O - settle- and scrap off as the paint falls away
in small rolls.  I vacuumed the rolls of paint and I was ready for the next
window display.
-=deb=-
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hi all
I don't plan on jumping in to the fray and I respect anyone who just
plain votes( some complain and never vote!) But I thought it was
interesting that in our Sunday newspaper they focused on the candidates(
sorry just the "big two") and their opinions on art. Now I really don't
expect to change anyone's view on their candidate of  choice, but here
is what journalists have found out-
Gore prefers Van Gogh, Cassat, Red Grooms, Chuck Close and Christo as
some of his fav. artists.
Bush prefers American Western art ( specifically- Tom Leas).
Gore is more predictable when it comes to the support of the arts,.
He has strongly defended funding of the arts and humanities. And this
time Gore is inventing his stand. He has taken lots of art classes as a
child. He currently likes to paint in watercolor. Tipper dabbles in
photography.
The Bushes prefers Mexican and Latino art and often draw attention to
unknowns.  Bush's attraction to western art began when he met his wife.
 Mr. Cheney's wife, has called for the abolition of the NEA.
Cheney, himself has voted against the NEA as a congressman.
Not much said bout Lieberman's view on the arts other than his stands on
monitoring violence and sex in the entertainment field.
Sorry guys, nothing on Nader's view on the arts.  I'm in a swing state,
so the focus is on the main candidates.
MaryB
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Ha- A "duh" on my part. A major typo. I forgot the word NOT.
I meant NOT inventing his stand-lol.
MaryB
gregjuli@execpc.com wrote:
>  And this
> time Gore is inventing his stand. He has taken lots of art classes as a
> child. He currently likes to paint in watercolor.
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Have used large pieces of newsprint which were colored with crayon and/or 
cray-pas and lightly used oil (salad) to make the paper translucent.. to 
recreate a stained glass effect.   anna
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The American Federation of Teachers endorses Gore.  
If Bush becomes president and he dies or is unable to remain president, then 
Cheney becomes president. Here's Cheney's voting record in congress:
Cheney voted :
against the Equal Rights Ammendment
against pro-choice for women
against the banning of cop-killer bullets(hollow tips)
against gun control(child safety locks)
against keeping affirmative action
against allowing gays in the military
against a national hate crimes bill
against public education
Now, if Bush should win and remain president would it be a reflection of what 
he has accomplished in his own state?
The State of Texas, under the leadership of George W. Bush:
50th in spending for teachers' salaries
49th in spending on the environment
48th in per-capita funding for public health
47th in delivery of social services
42nd in child support collections
41st in per-capita spending on public education
5th in percentage of population living in poverty
1st in air and water pollution
1st in percentage of poor working parents without insurance
1st in percentage of children without health insurance
1st in executions(avg. 1 every 2 weeks for Bush's 5 years)
Does anyone out there know if this is all true statistics?  Kimberly, you 
would probably know.....
And that DWI thing... His daddy referred to it as "just a youthful 
indiscretion"...youthful....he was a man, not an 18 yr. old boy!  Once an 
alchoholic is a recovering alchoholic, he is nevertheless always still 
recovering.  How many job opportunities do you think Bush would lose if he 
answered "yes" to the question, Have you ever been arrested?  
Tomorrow will tell...........Susan on Long island
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<HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT  SIZE=2>The American Federation of Teachers endorses Gore. &nbsp;
<BR>
<BR>If Bush becomes president and he dies or is unable to remain president, then <BR>Cheney becomes president. Here's Cheney's voting record in congress:
<BR>Cheney voted :
<BR>against the Equal Rights Ammendment
<BR>against pro-choice for women
<BR>against the banning of cop-killer bullets(hollow tips)
<BR>against gun control(child safety locks)
<BR>against keeping affirmative action
<BR>against allowing gays in the military
<BR>against a national hate crimes bill
<BR>against public education
<BR>
<BR>Now, if Bush should win and remain president would it be a reflection of what <BR>he has accomplished in his own state?
<BR>The State of Texas, under the leadership of George W. Bush:
<BR>50th in spending for teachers' salaries
<BR>49th in spending on the environment
<BR>48th in per-capita funding for public health
<BR>47th in delivery of social services
<BR>42nd in child support collections
<BR>41st in per-capita spending on public education
<BR>5th in percentage of population living in poverty
<BR>1st in air and water pollution
<BR>1st in percentage of poor working parents without insurance
<BR>1st in percentage of children without health insurance
<BR>1st in executions(avg. 1 every 2 weeks for Bush's 5 years)
<BR>
<BR>Does anyone out there know if this is all true statistics? &nbsp;Kimberly, you <BR>would probably know.....
<BR>
<BR>And that DWI thing... His daddy referred to it as "just a youthful <BR>indiscretion"...youthful....he was a man, not an 18 yr. old boy! &nbsp;Once an <BR>alchoholic is a recovering alchoholic, he is nevertheless always still <BR>recovering. &nbsp;How many job opportunities do you think Bush would lose if he <BR>answered "yes" to the question, Have you ever been arrested? &nbsp;
<BR>Tomorrow will tell...........Susan on Long island</FONT></HTML>
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My fifth graders at one school are really bad about giggling and just being 
noisy and when I got on one girl about her continual giggling, she said" He's 
making me." The kids know my comeback is " Your behavior is your own choice. 
No one makes you do anything you don't want."  It's important to make a 
student responsible for their own behavior and being in control of it. Janet
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From: "Kimberly Herbert" <kimberly@wcc.net>
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UGH! I typed out a detailed answer to the questions about the electoral
collage and then lost it and the info about who sent me the questions. I've
retyped some of the answers and since I lost the address of the person who
sent the questions I'm posting to the list. Sorry.  Here are the basics:
1. The electoral collage is appointed by each state
2. Each state has a number of votes equal to the number of representatives +
2 senators. The citizens of Washington DC are allowed 3 votes in the
electoral collage even though they don't have voting representation in the
congress, because they pay taxes. Citizens of the Territories do not have a
vote they don't pay taxes.
3. Each state votes as a block whoever wins the popular vote in a state gets
all the electoral votes for that state by tradition it is not actually
stated in the text of the constitution or amendment
4. To win a candidate must receive 270 electoral votes to win. If candidate
A wins the 11 biggest states and candidate B wins all of the other 39 + DC,
candidate A would win the election. (I looked up the eleven states and their
electoral votes before I lost the previous post. I'm not doing it again, but
the largest four are California 54, New York 33, Texas 32, and Florida 25).
5. If as some are predicting Gore wins the electoral collage, but Bush wins
the popular vote, I believe that the rule of law will prevail and Gore will
be sworn in without violence. Then before the next general election an
amendment will be passed changing the election of the President to a popular
vote.
Below are the original text Article and Amendment XII The hyperlinked
section in Article II was changed by Amendment XII. The misspellings are
from the site and I believe they were correct or accepted spellings at the
time the constitution was written.
Article. II.
Section. 1.
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of
America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and,
together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as
follows:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may
direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and
Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no
Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit
under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for
two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same
State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted
for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and
certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United
States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate
shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all
the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the
greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a
Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more
than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the
House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for
President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on
the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in
chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the
Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose
shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a
Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case,
after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of
Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should
remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by
Ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on
which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout
the United States.
AMENDMENT XII
Passed by Congress December 9, 1803. Ratified June 15, 1804.
Note: A portion of Article II, section 1 of the Constitution was superseded
by the 12th amendment.
The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for
President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an
inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their
ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the
person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of
all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as
Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall
sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the
United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- the President of
the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of
Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be
counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President,
shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of
Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the
persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those
voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose
immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the
votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having
one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members
from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be
necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose
a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the
fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as
President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the
President. --]* The person having the greatest number of votes as
Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of
the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority,
then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the
Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the
whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be
necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the
office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the
United States.
*Superseded by section 3 of the 20th amendment.
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
CAM Administrator
San Angelo Museum of Fine Arts/Children's Art Museum
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Whops I was wrong. According to NBC tonight, 3 times the winner of the
popular vote has lost in the electoral collage. The last was Grover
Cleveland.
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
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The person with at least a simple majority in the popular vote has always
one the electoral collage vote, I believe. If one wins the popular vote and
another the electoral, I believe the rule of law will prevail for this term,
but by the next general election an amendment will be passed switching to a
straight popular vote.
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
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So...my next question would be...<sorry I just can't stay in the corner!>
When was the last time the electorial college did not vote for the person
who
had the most popular vote?  And...let's say GWB wins the pop but Gore wins
the Electorial...OMG..and then then if even a few states went against what
the pop vote was (per chance gore) then OMG...revolution!  lol  It is going
to be a crazy day tomorrow!
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Dashikis out of  grocery bags.
printmaking adinkra designs
weaving
Akua-ba dolls out of clay
Jewerly from beads. You can make rolled up paper ones or out of clay
Some of these ideas came from the books
MULTICULTURAL ART ACTIVITIES
 Creative TEaching Press
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I painted my windows with tempra paint. Washes off with soap and water.
When the lights are off in the room, it looks like stained glass. Janet
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visible personalities to ever stand up and defend your rights and my =
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EVERYONE should read Susan's post tonite!  Now... are you STILL planning to 
vote for Nadar?
BT
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Is there any reason NOT to vote for Gore--especially with his stand on the 
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REPEAT:  Is Nadar pro-life or pro-choice?
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> EVERYONE should read Susan's post tonite!  Now... are you STILL planning
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To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited site, go
to http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk
A slavish press connives to hide GW's shady side
It's not only his drink-driving arrest Bush has lied about
Special report: the US elections
Harold Evans
Sunday November 05 2000
The Observer
To the Guinness Book of Records: reserve a whole page under hypocrisy. It's
for George W Bush and the managers of his bid for the White House. They have
run a campaign of character assassination. Knowing that Al Gore has an
intimidating grasp of the issues, they have used every trick, every dollar
of special interest money, every toady in the press, to smear the
vice-president as a liar. The cleverness of that diversionary tactic was
that if it worked it would relieve GW of giving proper answers to the
questions of substance he finds so bewildering.
It worked.
Now Bush is revealed as a liar on a serious issue of character. And what
happens? The smear artists are shouting "dirty politics".
Given the anti-Gore bias of the mainstream press, last Thursday night's
revelation that Bush was arrested for drunken driving in 1976, when he was
30, may have come too late to affect his lead. The Republican spin machine
has also been adept in damage control. Within 24 hours it had almost managed
to turn the story into "who leaked?" instead of "why didn't he come clean?'
It is true the disclosure came from a Maine Democrat, though not from the
Gore campaign. But the point is that it is true, and the real question is
the character of the candidate who tried to conceal his past.
He did confess to "mistakes" of his youth, but he would never be specific -
hoping the "mistakes" would be thought of as youthful pranks, not serious
crime. It   is an offence to apply for any federal office without divulging
an arrest record. Bush not only went to great lengths to cover up his
conviction. He lied about it, too. In a 1998 interview, a Dallas Morning
News reporter asked Bush point-blank if he had ever been arrested other than
for a 1968 fraternity prank and Bush said flatly: "No." The exchange was not
reported at the time; it didn't seem newsworthy. And when Bush was called to
jury service in a drunk-driving trial in Texas, he filled out the jury
questionnaire, but left blank the yes-no entry asking if he had ever been
accused in a civil or criminal case. Then he hastily got himself excused on
the basis that he was the governor of the state.
Imagine if this had been Al Gore! The Wall Street Journal, the most sedulous
of the defamers, would have dispatched ferrets to find out what happened on
the other form-filling occasions when "the liar" had to yield his record.
Now the Journal, you bet, will be part of the great "Smeargate" diversion.
Bush's handlers are saying, with some success, that his ready admission of
the offence, when found out, is another sign of his probity. This sums up
their entire campaign, one of breath-taking arrogance wrapped up in
feel-good bromides. And they have got away with it.
The basic misperception here is to confuse amiability with integrity,
marketable charm with ability. The truth, bluntly, is that Bush is an
irresponsible know-nothing. His instincts are those of the 1930s
isolationist, little   America, rather than the America that led the world
in the creation of a new liberal world order. If he is president, say
goodbye to the nuclear test ban, to action on global warming, to peacemaking
interventions.
Those of you in sodden Britain who might conclude that global warming, for
instance, is a matter of concern should know that Bush, like the Wall Street
Journal, regards it as a leftist scare. Asked what he would do, he responds
that we need more study before ratifying the Kyoto agreement, putting me in
mind of a fire chief who arrives at the blaze to say he will have to study
the origins of the fire before trying to put it out.
 On social security, he has never throughout the entire campaign explained
how he can take a trillion dollars and put it into personal accounts for
mainly young workers without saying where the money will come from to secure
the retirement payments for the rest of the ageing workforce. This weekend,
attacking federalism, he did not even seem to realize that social security
is a federal programme. Why hasn't the press blown the whistle? The
economist Paul Krugman   in the New York Times, a rare pundit who bothers to
do the sums, writes: "Really big misstatements, it turns out, cannot be
effectively challenged because voters can't believe that a man who seems so
likeable would do that sort of thing."
But he would. The drunken driving arrest is not the only character evidence
from Bush's past that has been suppressed or glossed over. On October 2, the
Center for Public Integrity in Washington and Bill Muntaglio and Nancy
Beiles in Talk magazine revealed that Bush not once but repeatedly missed
the legal deadlines for reporting his insider stock trades when he was a
director and member of the audit committee of a ropey Texas oil company,
Harken Energy. In 1991, three years before he ran for governor, the Wall
Street Journal headlined one instance when Bush sold near the top of the
market before the stock plunged, pocketing nearly $850,000. He was eight
months late in reporting this coup. He claimed he had but that the SEC had
"lost the paperwork". But neither the Journal, or anyone else, has asked
Bush if the SEC "lost the paperwork" when he was derelict on three other
newly-documented insider trades he did not report in the way required by the
anti-corruption laws.
The 1991 SEC investigation, criticized for being run by friends of then
President Bush, ended inconclusively. Bush, it was said, could not have
known of the magnitude of Harken's impending loss when he sold out. But the
SEC never interviewed Bush and documents obtained last month under the
Freedom of Information Act clearly show that Bush had more knowledge than he
admitted. At least twice during the month he cashed out, he received memos
showing the company was in financial peril.
The man who claims the presidency on the grounds of probity has asserted: "I
believe in individual accountability and individual responsibility." But the
credulous press and the cerebrally challenged television talk shows have
been too busy pillorying Gore to ask Bush to reconcile rhetoric and action.
"I will do everything I can," he has said, "to defend the power of private
property and private property rights." But he has failed to reconcile that
public testament with his enrichment from the seizure of private land for
his Texas Rangers baseball stadium. Though then a private citizen, he
contrived to use the power of the state to claim eminent domain over 270
acres - most of which was not needed for the stadium. Families who lost
their land so that Bush and his partners could profit from the development
potential are still mad at him for the land-grab and the ordeal of court
hearings they had to initiate before getting a fair price. Maree Fanning,
who lost the family horse farm, told a reporter: "If I saw him today, I'd
say 'Bite my ass'."
Tomorrow too many American voters, deprived of the real story, may kiss it.
 Harold Evans is the author of The American Century
Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited
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> In a message dated 11/5/00 7:19:24 PM Central Standard Time,
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> <<  wsauls@gate.net (wendy sauls) >>
> No offense, Wendy, but you are full of it.
yes, i am, if you are referring possibly to "it" as being the ability to
conceive of and hope for something different and better.
:D wendy
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Subject: Re: window painting (stained glass?)
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On 11/6/00 6:05 PM, KHeifetz@aol.com at KHeifetz@aol.com wrote:
> Have used large pieces of newsprint which were colored with crayon and/or
> cray-pas and lightly used oil (salad) to make the paper translucent.. to
> recreate a stained glass effect.   anna
OH,, I FORGOT about this. Yes. It's beautiful. You can rub the "back" of the
paper with cotton balls dipped in baby oil too.
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pro-life or pro-choice??
He's a pretty liberal guy, though not someone to SPEND MONEY kind of
liberal...just redistribute the money that's already there. So I expect he's
pro=choice. I'm going to check.
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<FONT SIZE=3D"2">pro-life or pro-choice??<BR>
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He's a pretty liberal guy, though not someone to SPEND MONEY kind of libera=
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From: "Kimberly Herbert" <kimberly@wcc.net>
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Sorry everyone,
	When my system hiccupped, I checked the draft, outbox, and sent files.
Since I could not find the first post answering the electoral collage
questions, I assumed it was lost. I should have waited longer and seen if it
came through the list anyway. Again sorry for the double post.
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christine kotarsky wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> The principal wants me to do the windows. 
Why not use the materials Broadway producers use?  Here's where to get
them:
http://www.rosebrand.com/
Best wishes,
joseph
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In a message dated 11/6/00 11:16:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, occti@acorn.net 
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> Tomorrow too many American voters, deprived of the real story, may kiss it.
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What a fabulous article....but I fear too much too late.....oh, well, we 
might have to wait another 4 years after Bush screws everything up to start 
again, or heaven help us-8!  Going out to vote now.  I'm nervous because much 
is at stake during the next 4 years from education to Supreme Court 
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  What a fabulous article....but I fear too much too late.....oh, well, we
  might have to wait another 4 years after Bush screws everything up to
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  again, or heaven help us-8!  Going out to vote now.  I'm nervous because
much
  is at stake during the next 4 years from education to Supreme Court
  appointments.....Susan on Long island
  Well, all we can do is to vote our conscience, hope for the best, and work
as well as we can with what we end up with, eh?
  Lar
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www.sanford-artedventures.com
www.taospaint.com
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what grade level?  Do they have assigned seats? Do you give them
assignments that relate to their interests? IE draw your favorite pet.
Design a shoe, etc. I can give you other suggestions if you give me more
info. Guided drawing is also helpful. Give them some examples, show them
how to. My kids LOVE imagination station. Get one of the kids to tape it.
It's on after school on PBS.
ann carolan
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In a message dated 11/6/00 12:13:55 PM, occti@acorn.net writes:
<< And, do I think Nader will be elected president?  Realistically,...No; not
this time.
But I strongly feel that the cycle needs to be broken and soon, and voting
my conscience for Nader this time will, I hope, begin to send a message to
Washington and to other disaffected voters. >>
Perhaps these people need to, as someone suggested, run for some of the local 
positions. I too would like to see more choices for president. But, it seems 
that they would have more support, if they had elected councilpersons, 
schoolboard members, mayors, etc., across the country. That would be a real 
grassroots movement. that would be a strong base of persons who have already 
committed to their parties' platforms. Starting at the top gives you no roots 
to stand on.
Reatha
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What is a dahiki?
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In a message dated 11/6/00 2:44:05 PM, maryann@brightring.com writes:
<< Is there anyway to "make" a dry erase board?
 >>
You can buy white tile board at the local builders' supply. An 8' X 4' sheet 
only costs about 10.00. I bought two and cut them into smaller pieces to 
place on easels around the room, with various messages. 
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We're having quite a heated debate here as to whether the arts are part of the CORE curriculum-I was positive that I had read somewhere that art is now part of the core curriculum but need to put my hands on some hard copy. Please pass along any info-Barb C
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We're having quite a heated debate here as to whether the arts are part of the CORE curriculum-I was positive that I had read somewhere that art is now part of the core curriculum but need to put my hands on some hard copy. Please pass along any info-Barb C<p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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Barb,
If you do get some information, would you pass this on to me. 
jab1997@bryanisd.org
Jackie in Bryan, Texas
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At 06:13 AM 11/7/2000 -0800, barb cicchelli wrote:
>We're having quite a heated debate here as to whether the arts are part of
>the CORE curriculum-I was positive that I had read somewhere that art is
>now part of the core curriculum but need to put my hands on some hard copy.
>Please pass along any info-Barb C
If you are talking about the Hirsch Core Knowledge Curriculum (What Your __
Grader Needs to Know), they have quite a good arts section and music too,
in each grade level.  They have a good website also, with lesson plans and
another site, the Baltimore Curriculum Project has extensive lesson plans
following the entire Core Knowledge Sequence, for each grade (K-5 I think),
month by month, subject by subject, it's a great site!
Here are those urls-
Core Knowledge home page-
http://www.coreknowledge.org/
Baltimore Curriculum Project lesson plans-
http://www.cstone.net/~bcp/BCPIntro2.htm
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Charlotte,
 Do you have a picture?  I'm having a hard time
visualizing this!
teri
--- Charlotte <larkspin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
 HANDSCAPES!!!! Redrawing hands
 onto black construction paper and "hiding" them in
 landscapes or other drawings-------coloring in with
 oil pastels. They had a blast and got some fun
 results............stalagtites, airport runways,
 waterfalls, highways, flags.............what a
 hoot!! 
 
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Just a thought.
You termed the visit by your Artist in Residence as an interruption.
Maybe if you want some continuity with your lesson, you could clue the 
visiting artist in on what you are doing in advance.
Maybe you could perceive the visit as a compliment to Your program.
But youcalled the service an Interruption.
Why do art teachers consider the Artists in Residence as a negative?
It sounds like a playground mentality.
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> What is a dahiki?
If you mean 'Dashiki', it is an African one piece robe of often light cloth.
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Barb- in the state of Kentucky, there is a requirement of art in every 
curriculum. Now whether that is served or not is another thing!
On the elementary level our testing is based 5% on Humanities. On the high 
school level every kid has to have a unit of art.
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I'm writing a painting lesson for a hypothetical Level 3 high school class (for
a course I'm taking myself)  and I was wondering if it is possible/feasible to
use oil paint in a public high school.  Can high school students be assumed
able to be responsible with potentially toxic pigments and solvents?  
I personally believe students that age could, but what do school districts
typically say?  
Would an art room have adequate ventilation systems for the fumes? 
Susan Holland 
Visual Art Studies
University of Texas at Austin
susan_holland@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu
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I have used oil paints many times in my high school advanced classes. WE
do have ventilation in the classroom.  However, I just got back from my
state art conference and discovered a wonderful new product.  Genisis
paint.  I did a painting with it while I was there.  I has the same
consistancy as oil paints yet cleans with rubbing  alcohol and stays wet
until it is heat set.   It was WONDERFUL.   Had I not already spent money
on lots of brushes for myself, I would have bought a large set of it.
Jackie
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gorebushnadergorebushnadernadergorebushbushgorenadernadernadernaderbushbushbushgoregoregorenaderbushgorenaderbushgoreetcetcetcetc....................
Enough already! Today is election day- do you suppose
I can check my email tomorrow and get a break from
politics? Just get out and vote- don't think you can
change anyone's mind by sending an email- I've been
trying to plead my case with my family for months and
it doesn't work. 
Jayna
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Those white boards from home improvement stores lose
their write-ability (yes I just invented a word) after
a couple of years. The last art teacher at my school
hung the ones I have a couple of years ago and they
are shot. Not only can I not write on them well, but
whatever I do write requires 409 and some serious
scrubbing to remove. I think I have chalkboards
underneath- I plan to trash the whiteboards and go
back to doing things the old fashioned way. 
Jayna
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Oops! So painting watered down glue on my windows was
a bad idea? Oh well! The tissue paper looks great- and
I really don't have any intentions of removing
it-especially now that you tell me I won't be able to.
Ha! Live and learn!
Jayna
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In a message dated 11/07/2000 7:06:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Susan_Holland@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu writes:
> Can high school students be assumed
>  able to be responsible with potentially toxic pigments and solvents?  
>  I personally believe students that age could, but what do school districts
>  typically say?  
>  Would an art room have adequate ventilation systems for the fumes? 
I have stopped doing oil painting in my classes for some time now.  The fumes 
were bad, the turp was toxic and had to removed  properly, the oil had lead, 
the mess was bad, it took days and weeks to dry  and acrylic works easier and 
faster with less clean up problems.
Ken Schwab
San Jose CA
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In Richardson I.S.D. all four of our high schools use oil paint with upper 
level classes.  The teachers have found various products that are less 
volatile than traditional solvents.
I too went to the Texas state conference (Susan, you need to go next year!) 
The Max 2 paints (a Grumbacher product) are water misable.  Click on the 
Grumbacher sign at the Sanford website
http://www.sanfordcorp.com/
We recently tried these in a teacher workshop and all the teachers were 
impressed with the quality and safety.
Kay Savay
Central Program Specialist for Art K -12
Richardson I.S.D.
Richardson, Texas
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Why can't you use a sharp blade to remove it?  Wouldn't it be just the same 
as removing tax decals from windsheilds?
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We use turpenoid with our oil painting - cuts out a lot of the fumes.
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Reatha,
	I just got back from voting (drove around the block to find a way into the
church to vote because of water covering parts of the road). There was a
Green Party or Libertarian candidate running for almost every position were
there was a challenger. Matter a fact I think there was only one race with
only a Dem and a Rep running against each other. They are also working at
the grassroots level.
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
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In a message dated 11/6/00 12:13:55 PM, occti@acorn.net writes:
<< And, do I think Nader will be elected president?  Realistically,...No;
not
this time.
But I strongly feel that the cycle needs to be broken and soon, and voting
my conscience for Nader this time will, I hope, begin to send a message to
Washington and to other disaffected voters. >>
Perhaps these people need to, as someone suggested, run for some of the
local
positions. I too would like to see more choices for president. But, it seems
that they would have more support, if they had elected councilpersons,
schoolboard members, mayors, etc., across the country. That would be a real
grassroots movement. that would be a strong base of persons who have already
committed to their parties' platforms. Starting at the top gives you no
roots
to stand on.
Reatha
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Hello Art Educators,
I would really appreciate your help with a couple of concerns. I have 
recently been appointed an Art Research Consultant for the St. Vital School 
Division in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. In my new position one of the 
things that  am responsible for doing is going into the Schools and 
assessing whether or not they are properly outfitted. I have a pretty good 
indication of what is required, having taught Art for Twelve years but I 
would like to make sure I am covering all the bases. In addition, any 
information that you can forward to me regarding minimum standards as they 
relate to timetabling, budgets, equipment, etc. would be greatly 
apprecitated.
Thank You
Cloyd Barth
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Please consider our web site at http://www.art.unt.edu/ntieva.
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From: "Fields, Linda" <fieldsl@guilford.k12.nc.us>
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Subject: jumping into the fray
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:36:17 -0500 
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I think we should all write-in Larry Parker. He seems to be the most logical
(in many senses of the word) choice! :-)  Linda in NC
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Subject: Re: oil paints
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I am a part time commissioned portrait painter and have begun in the last 
few years to use Max.  They are great!  There is no visable difference to 
me between the new oils and my old oil paintings.
My middle school student used them to do self portraits with much success.
Also they can be mixed with regular oil colors if need be but you have to 
use a solvent from then on.  So if you have to work in a color you don't 
have in the Max, your old oil paints aren't wasted, just do the majority of 
the paintings with Max and jump in with the reg. paints at any time.
I've been sold for a long time!
Brenda Robson in Dallas
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Subject: Re: stained glass windows
From: MaryAnn Kohl <maryann@brightring.com>
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On 11/7/00 7:29 AM, Rgart58@aol.com at Rgart58@aol.com wrote:
> Why can't you use a sharp blade to remove it?
Our school dist. won't let us use sharp blades because they scratch the
windows, but you could soak the windows first and soften the glue, so it
actually might work. But I would just d the project on plastic wrap and take
it down later.
_______________________
MaryAnn F. Kohl
maryann@brightring.com
http://www.brightring.com
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:22:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Election Eve Message from Ralph
From: MaryAnn Kohl <maryann@brightring.com>
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Gotta go vote....
My last political comment follows!
Maybe this will be of interest....a  note from Nader. Tried to send it
yesterday, but ArtsEdNet said I couldn't send it because it had too many
lines. Hmmm. Trying again. Sorry to send it on voting day. I clipped out
some stuff and left his final comment, which I believe he truly believes:
 
>>> From: Nader 2000 Campaign <campaign@VOTENADER.ORG>
>>> Subject: Election Eve Message from Ralph
 
>>> Down to the polls and on to the millions of voters who have built the
>>> third largest party by far in America -- the Green Party -- to the take
>>> off stage on Wednesday, to an all-scene watchdog role over the two
>>> look-alike, corporate-dominated parties, and ahead to thousands of
>>> local, state, and national Green Party candidacies moving towards
>>> victory in the coming election.  Forward to justice, forward to the
>>> greater country we know we can become.  Giant corporations will no
>>> longer be able to keep America down when democracy rises stronger
>>> and stronger.
>>> 
>>> Ralph Nader
>>> Election Eve 2000
 
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MaryAnn F. Kohl
maryann@brightring.com
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From: "Kimberly Herbert" <kimberly@wcc.net>
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Subject: RE: stained glass windows
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:58:07 -0600
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To get the glue off try using a spray bottle with regular white wine
vinegar. Soak the area, let sit, and then wipe and scrape off. We use it all
the time to get glue off of stuff. Also hot water in a spray bottle is good.
For scrubbing without scratching the glass, try a paste made of baking soda
and water.
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
CAM Administrator
San Angelo Museum of Fine Arts/Children's Art Museum
-----Original Message-----
From: MaryAnn Kohl [mailto:maryann@brightring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:08 AM
To: ArtsEdNet Talk
Subject: Re: stained glass windows
On 11/7/00 7:29 AM, Rgart58@aol.com at Rgart58@aol.com wrote:
> Why can't you use a sharp blade to remove it?
Our school dist. won't let us use sharp blades because they scratch the
windows, but you could soak the windows first and soften the glue, so it
actually might work. But I would just d the project on plastic wrap and take
it down later.
_______________________
MaryAnn F. Kohl
maryann@brightring.com
http://www.brightring.com
_______________________
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Subject: Re(2): abortion (private)
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Thanks so much for your honesty is admitting that you did not realize
partial birth abortion was a procedure in which a child at full-term is
partially delivered and a doctor? sucks out a child's brains with a
syringe. Let's make sure that EVERYBODY is educated on the horrors of this
procedure. Today, the only candidate calling this wrong is George Bush.
anna
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lori L. Groff [mailto:lg9owat@moa.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 1:26 PM
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Help!
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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in.</span></font><font
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style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
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style=3D'text-align:center;mso-layout-grid-align:
none;text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
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New";color:navy'>ArtsEdNet
Listserv Unofficial FAQ</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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housekeeping questions that come up so frequently. This is not an =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
tab-stops:list =
25in;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><![if =
!supportLists]><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>1.<font size=3D1
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy'>What is =
the
digest? The list comes in 3 forms Individual messages sent as they are
received, Digest messages from a 24 hour period compiled and sent out =
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and
sent out once a day.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>2. Why can't we post pictures to an art =
teachers'
list? The digest form of the list cannot process attachments. They can =
also
cause problems for people in rural areas with slow connections. Deb =
Sterner
solved this problem by establishing a photo page for us at <a
href=3D"http://members2.clubphoto.com/art216973/">http://members2.clubpho=
to.com/art216973</a>/.
The login is artednetter@hotmail.com and the password is =
gettylist</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;
tab-stops:list =
25in;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><![if =
!supportLists]><font
size=3D2 color=3Dred face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:red'>3.<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font
size=3D2 color=3Dred face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:red'>How do I unsubscribe, change to no-mail, switch =
to
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mode=3D0">http://www.getty.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dartsednet&amp;tex=
t_mode=3D0</a>
login with your e-mail and click on settings. You can change your =
subscription
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>4. Why aren't my messages going through? Go to =
<a
href=3D"http://www.getty.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dartsednet&amp;text_=
mode=3D0">http://www.getty.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dartsednet&amp;tex=
t_mode=3D0</a>
login and click settings. See your messages must be set to yes, or you =
will not
receive a copy.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list =
25in;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><![if =
!supportLists]><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>5.<font size=3D1
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></font><![endif]><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:navy'>Where =
are the
archives? Good question January 1998 - May 2000 are at <a
href=3D"http://www.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/hm/index.html">http://ww=
w.artsednet.getty.edu/ArtsEdNet/hm/index.html</a>
For November 1999 - Today got to <a
href=3D"http://www.getty.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dartsednet&amp;text_=
mode=3D0">http://www.getty.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dartsednet&amp;tex=
t_mode=3D0</a>
login with your e-mail and click on read messages. (This information is =
correct
as of 3:03 pm October 4, 2000)</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy
face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>6. What is the art educators alternative or =
back up
list? In the event that the ArtsEdNet from the Getty goes down for some =
reason,
several members established a back up list at <a
href=3D"http://www.egroups.com/group/ArtsEducators">http://www.egroups.co=
m/group/ArtsEducators</a>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>7. Can we post lesson plans? To the list sure, =
but
not as attachments please. The digest version of the list cannot process =
them
(see #2). Just cut and paste them into the main body of your e-mail. =
Also the <a
href=3D"http://www.egroups.com/group/ArtsEducators">http://www.egroups.co=
m/group/ArtsEducators</a>
site has a file area where members can upload files including lesson =
plans.</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New";color:navy'>8. Can I use HTML e-mail? Text formatting =
works best.
HTML formatting can cause problems on the digest and funky colors and
backgrounds can make it difficult to read your message. Because every =
computer
can interpret HTML differently (especially when in comes to colors) your =
e-mail
might be completely unreadable on another system. Please use plain text
formatting.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle17><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><!--[if supportFields]><span =
class=3DEmailStyle17><font=20
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'><span =
style=3D'mso-element:
field-begin'></span><span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;</span>AUTOTEXTLIST=20
\s &quot;E-mail Signature&quot; <span =
style=3D'mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![endi=
f]--><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'>Kimberly Herbert (<a
href=3D"mailto:kimberly@wcc.net">kimberly@wcc.net</a>)</span></font><font=
color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>CAM =
Administrator</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>San Angelo Museum of Fine =
Arts/Children's
Art Museum</span></font><font color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><!--[if supportFields]><span =
class=3DEmailStyle17><font=20
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'><span =
style=3D'mso-element:
field-end'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><span =
class=3DEmailStyle17><font
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-family:Arial'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Lori L. Groff
[mailto:lg9owat@moa.net]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November =
07, 2000
1:26 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ArtsEdNet Talk<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Chaging My =
settings</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><em><b><i><font size=3D6 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:24.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Help!</span></font></i></b></em><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I don't
want to get these messages every day I've received 80+ today alone!!! =
how do I
change my settings so that I can just look up info as I need =
it?</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks
Lori G</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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HA!  I wrote myself in for Board of Education.<G>
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> I think we should all write-in Larry Parker. He seems to be the most
logical
> (in many senses of the word) choice! :-)  Linda in NC
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> HA!  I wrote myself in for Board of Education.<G>
Way to go LISA!!!
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> I think we should all write-in Larry Parker. He seems to be the
> most logical (in many senses of the word) choice! :-)  Linda in NC
Let's see...
1.  "What did I ever do to you, Linda?"
2.  "Is this payback for being a nuisance on this list?!"
3.  "With all the trouble most presidents have with Congress, I would have
to insist on a Monarchy.  An Enlightened Monarchy, mind you, but...ah, to be
King at last!"
4.  "If #1 and #2 are affirmative, then make #3 a DIVINE Monarchy!!"  '>))
5.  "Too late.  I'm already graying and weathered!"
6.  "Who needs the stress?  I've got kids!"
7.  "That's 'L-A-W-R-E-N-C-E..P-A-R-K-E-R'."
                     ;>))
8.  (Seriously)  "You don't know me well enough..."
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> 8.  (Seriously)  "You don't know me well enough..."
Not that I think your opinion would necessarily change, but on general
principle it would be a better idea. :>)
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I have a white write board I glued up years ago and it is beginning 
to lose some of it's "write-ability".  It doesn't erase as well as
before.  I use alcohol to wipe it down clean every other day.
				Woody in KC
Jayna Ledbetter wrote:
> 
> Those white boards from home improvement stores lose
> their write-ability (yes I just invented a word) after
> a couple of years. The last art teacher at my school
> hung the ones I have a couple of years ago and they
> are shot. Not only can I not write on them well, but
> whatever I do write requires 409 and some serious
> scrubbing to remove. I think I have chalkboards
> underneath- I plan to trash the whiteboards and go
> back to doing things the old fashioned way.
> Jayna
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Read the last two lines of every message from the list
and do what it says.
			Woody in KC
> "Lori L. Groff" wrote:
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> Help!
> I don't want to get these messages every day I've received 80+ today
> alone!!! how do I change my settings so that I can just look up info
> as I need it?
> Thanks Lori G
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True Ann, but Bush is also putting people to death inTexas. A bit two faced I
think.
MaryB
Ann Carolan wrote:
> Thanks so much for your honesty is admitting that you did not realize
> partial birth abortion was a procedure in which a child at full-term is
> partially delivered and a doctor? sucks out a child's brains with a
> syringe. Let's make sure that EVERYBODY is educated on the horrors of this
> procedure. Today, the only candidate calling this wrong is George Bush.
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profile silhouetteA twist that I have done with this is to reduce the =
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Subject: Re: a wasted vote? But still voting!
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Kind of like when the GOP wanted the 'line item veto' for Dole, but not for
Clinton!
> I'm a democrat in Kansas, and yes my vote will be lost cause of course
> Kansas will go republican. But, I still vote.  My real hope this year is
> that
> Al and Joe will win the electoral college and George and Dick will get
> the popular
> vote.  That should raise enough ruckus to get rid of the electoral
> college.
> Woody in KC
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Subject: Re: font size THIS IS IT!!!!
From: MaryAnn Kohl <maryann@brightring.com>
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On 11/7/00 2:30 PM, Mckin1901@aol.com at Mckin1901@aol.com wrote:
> I tried this & it didn't get larger than 72.  What am I doing wrong?
Do this exactly and it will work.
FIRST: You need to highlight the text you want to change to 100. If you want
to change the whole document, select "SELECT ALL". If you only want to
change several words, just highlight those with the cursor and your mouse.
SECOND:  Highlight the 72 in the font size box, with your mouse and cursor,
THREE: type in 100.
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Sorry folks, I didn't read until this evening...but Nader is pro-choice. He
feels the government has no place in making this decision for a woman. The
decision belongs to the woman and her doctor. He may personally be opposed
to abortion--but has a pro-choice political view.
My son decided over the week-end that Nader was the only choice...so he
created posters to display all over the school. One of the history teachers
(not knowing Matt created them) said that Nader had the best design staff
(smile). I asked Matt to bring some home so I could send them to my Nader
cyber friends (but---being a normal kid--he forgot...tomorrow may be too
late ;-(  sigh).
My students asked me all day who I was voting for (I voted after school
today). All I said was I can not vote for Bush. What ever happened to the
days when your vote was personal?
We were discussing the Electoral College the other night at the dinner
table. Correct me if I am wrong...but it was created to help give the south
a more equal share in the vote. When the Electoral College was created, the
south had a disproportionate share on non voters (or those not permitted to
vote). Electoral College is based on total population (the number a
representatives - plus 2).
Thank you to all who voted for the good of education ----and art
education....We shall see....
Judy
P.S. for Lawrence...maybe Joseph could be your running mate in 2004? What a
ticket that would make?!  I don't think our ballet had any room for write-in
candidates....or I might have given it a try this year.
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Subject: Re: Election Day--my first elated vote in my life
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I don't know when I have felt such a rush of elation and pride as I voted
this year...my wasted vote, I know I know...for someone I truly believe in,
Ralph Nader. I have never before felt so sure or so proud of my choice. This
was my first time in my 30 years of voting!! I live in Washington state, and
Washington and Oregon seem to be the most "green" states...perhaps because
we have worked so hard to keep our states clean and green, prevent urban
sprawl, keep our streams and lakes clean, and so on. No, we're not perfect,
but it does not surprise me that as states, both are strongly Ralph Nader
supporters, thousands of us. Ok, not enough to win, but I'm still feeling as
good as I have ever felt about voting in my entire life. If Bush wins
because I voted for Nader, that's ok with me too, because at least he's not
interested in spending spending spending. Funny that Nader who is so liberal
is also quite conservative about spending and government control. He wants
gov't involved in our lives as little as possible. Oh, I researched and as I
thought, he is pro-choice.
MA
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Nader said he doesn't care about Roe vs. Wade,  or any other issues when 
interviewed last week.  He is a self-absorbed, sefish 
creep and I really wish he had dropped out when the Dems begged him to.  We 
can only hope the good guys win.  Go Gore.
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Does even Nader know that?  I think he's from another ozone anyway.
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I was standing in line w/ another teacher, and we were discussing the fact
that the people who are on the BoEd most often have NO clue about education
in the first place.  We decided it should be a law that in order to be on
the BoEd, you have to be an educator, in public school, or retired from
teaching.
> > HA!  I wrote myself in for Board of Education.<G>
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> Way to go LISA!!!
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 Sorry----poor choice of words..........I have more things on my mind right now than I can even go into right now.........the artists in residence were not an interuption----in the negative sense----just that the ongoing project stopped for a whole week(actually 2--- as I had them write  and decorate thankyous last week)..........so I had to get myself  AND THEM back into the production mode. It really doesn't matter WHAT we were working on........those guys were great!!!!(two potters----toting wheel and slides and finished products)-------a welcome visit no matter WHAT I was working on!!  Their program is separate from anything we do and it is a priviledge for us when they come. As a matter of fact I plan to take a few classes from this school to participate in workshops at the arts and crafts school where these artists are in residence. 
For your information, I go to 4 diff. schools, none of which have kilns so pottery is just a mere fantasy.......so these guys were a breath of fresh air. The kids AND I loved their visit. In one thankyou note one boy wrote that he was gonna start saving his money for a wheel!! This is saying a lot coming from the very poor community he comes from!! Great inspiration!!!!
Charlotte
  Alasann1@aol.com wrote: 
Just a thought.
You termed the visit by your Artist in Residence as an interruption.
Maybe if you want some continuity with your lesson, you could clue the 
visiting artist in on what you are doing in advance.
Maybe you could perceive the visit as a compliment to Your program.
But youcalled the service an Interruption.
Why do art teachers consider the Artists in Residence as a negative?
It sounds like a playground mentality.
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<P> Sorry----poor choice of words..........I have more things on my mind right now than I can even go into right now.........the artists in residence were not an interuption----in the negative sense----just that the ongoing project stopped for a whole week(actually 2--- as I had them write&nbsp; and decorate thankyous last week)..........so I had to get myself&nbsp; AND THEM back into the production mode. It really doesn't matter WHAT we were working on........those guys were great!!!!(two potters----toting wheel and slides and finished products)-------a welcome visit no matter WHAT I was working on!!&nbsp; Their program is separate from anything we do and it is a priviledge for us when they come. As a matter of fact I plan to take a few classes from this school to participate in workshops at the arts and crafts school where these artists are in residence. </P>
<P>For your information, I go to 4 diff. schools, none of which have kilns so pottery is just a mere fantasy.......so these guys were a breath of fresh air. The kids AND I loved their visit. In one thankyou note one boy wrote that he was gonna start saving his money for a wheel!! This is saying a lot coming from the very poor community he comes from!! Great inspiration!!!!</P>
<P>Charlotte<BR></P>
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Not true, Ann!  Gore is against partial birth too!!  
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Jayna,
A parent who does carpet cleaning gave me material that sounds similar to 
your "squat blue cylinders"  He had used them to elevate furniture while 
carpet dried.  I thought the kids might be able to carve into them with 
pencils and create stamps but the material was too hard for a good 
impression.
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Terilynn,
Sorry-----I have no scanner or digital camera. I just asked them to think about how they posed their hands ---as far as what their hands "became" in the picture.........the obvious one that I saw a lot was.......a hand as a tree(gee, what an original thought!!). The hand(s) just became something else.....and I encouraged them to change the color of the hand to "hide" it.........so don't stick to "hand color"!!
Does this help AT ALL??
Charlotte
  Terilynn Sanford <terimason@yahoo.com> wrote: 
Charlotte,
Do you have a picture? I'm having a hard time
visualizing this!
teri
--- Charlotte wrote:
HANDSCAPES!!!! Redrawing hands
onto black construction paper and "hiding" them in
landscapes or other drawings-------coloring in with
oil pastels. They had a blast and got some fun
results............stalagtites, airport runways,
waterfalls, highways, flags.............what a
hoot!! 
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<P>Sorry-----I have no scanner or digital camera. I just asked them to think about how they posed their hands ---as far as what their hands "became" in the picture.........the obvious one that I saw a lot was.......a hand as a tree(gee, what an original thought!!). The hand(s) just became something else.....and I encouraged them to change the color of the hand to "hide" it.........so don't stick to "hand color"!!</P>
<P>Does this help AT ALL??</P>
<P>Charlotte<BR></P>
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 Good to know another source for this.......as I imagine the "art source" is prob. very much more DOLLARS!!
Charlotte
  Bicyclken@aol.com wrote: 
In a message dated 11/05/2000 4:24:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
larkspin2000@yahoo.com writes:
> Citra solve-----non toxic and SMELLS GREAT!!!
> 
Citrus cleaners are a solvent for oil based products. I use this in cleaning 
bicycle parts and to degrease chains etc. Non toxic and biodegradable. You 
can get a concentrated solution to thin with water and use from a local bike 
store.
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<P> Good to know another source for this.......as I imagine the "art source" is prob. very much more DOLLARS!!</P>
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I'm going to the NJEA teachers convention in Atlantic City for the first
time this Thursday. Is anyone else going? I'd love to get together and
say "HI"!
Donna
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 BTW----I was at inservice today and they spoke of this very thing......and one teacher got the store (Lowes) to donate the CUTS........in other words......they usually charge a cutting fee.......but didn't in this case. These regular classroom teachers were using rather small pieces as "slates" for individual work.
Charlotte
  Michelle Lowe <mishlowe@amug.org> wrote: 
>Is there anyway to "make" a dry erase board?
I buy sheets of "tileboard" from Home Depot, it's 8 or 9 dollars for a
4'x8' sheet, you can cut it into smaller boards with a skillsaw.
Thanks Mary Ann, for all your great input on the list!
Mishy
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<P> BTW----I was at inservice today and they spoke of this very thing......and one teacher got the store (Lowes) to donate the CUTS........in other words......they usually charge a cutting fee.......but didn't in this case. These regular classroom teachers were using rather small pieces as "slates" for individual work.</P>
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Subject: Re: jumping into the fray
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:51:18 -0500
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<<We decided it should be a law that in order to be on
the BoEd, you have to be an educator, in public school, or retired from
teaching.>>
Sounds like a plan--though I'm not sure than former county superintendents
or some principals should be eligible!!!
Sharon
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Featuring art and art lesson plans, examples of my
artwork, genealogy resources, information about
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From: "Kimberly Herbert" <kimberly@wcc.net>
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Subject: RE: Election Day--it is almost over
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:29:28 -0600
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I'd have to dig out my federalist papers to make sure I'm right, but I think
your half right. The two houses of congress were created to balance the
small and big population states. The electoral collage was created in part
because the founding fathers did not trust the voters. They thought many
different people would run from around the country (remember no nightly news
from around the world). The electoral collage would give the citizens some
voice narrowing the choices to 5 and the house would vote (1 vote per state)
for the pres and vp.  Remember they came from a parliamentary system in
England. Were members are elected then the group that can get a majority
coalition together forms a government and elects the Prime Minister from
within their own ranks. Remember there was real fear that someone would get
elected president and then declare himself king.
Kimberly Herbert (kimberly@wcc.net)
CAM Administrator
San Angelo Museum of Fine Arts/Children's Art Museum
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Subject: Election Day--it is almost over
Sorry folks, I didn't read until this evening...but Nader is pro-choice. He
feels the government has no place in making this decision for a woman. The
decision belongs to the woman and her doctor. He may personally be opposed
to abortion--but has a pro-choice political view.
My son decided over the week-end that Nader was the only choice...so he
created posters to display all over the school. One of the history teachers
(not knowing Matt created them) said that Nader had the best design staff
(smile). I asked Matt to bring some home so I could send them to my Nader
cyber friends (but---being a normal kid--he forgot...tomorrow may be too
late ;-(  sigh).
My students asked me all day who I was voting for (I voted after school
today). All I said was I can not vote for Bush. What ever happened to the
days when your vote was personal?
We were discussing the Electoral College the other night at the dinner
table. Correct me if I am wrong...but it was created to help give the south
a more equal share in the vote. When the Electoral College was created, the
south had a disproportionate share on non voters (or those not permitted to
vote). Electoral College is based on total population (the number a
representatives - plus 2).
Thank you to all who voted for the good of education ----and art
education....We shall see....
Judy
P.S. for Lawrence...maybe Joseph could be your running mate in 2004? What a
ticket that would make?!  I don't think our ballet had any room for write-in
candidates....or I might have given it a try this year.
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Subject: Bookbinding tape and other such things...
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:36:20 -0500
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Hey guys.  I have 2 sources now:
www.demco.com
www.hammersmith.com
Demco has a better price on book binding tape. =20
L. P. Skeen              www.living-tree.net
Living Tree Pottery & Handmade Soaps
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In a message dated 11/6/00 9:15:39 PM Central Standard Time, 
Jhirunrtx@aol.com writes:
<< Akua-ba dolls out of clay >>
Since this is a fertility doll how do you explain it to your art kids and if 
you give the history will the parents care?  Roberta
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Hi Cloyd,  The NAEA I think addresses materials and equipment.  I personally
think that $3.oo a student in elementary school is the basic MINIMUM that a
school should provide budget wise-  Preferably more.  I also feel that storage
that is lockable and adequate for different sizes of materials and papers
should be considered.  Just my thoughts,  Betsy
Cloyd Barth wrote:
> Hello Art Educators,
>
> I would really appreciate your help with a couple of concerns. I have
>
> information that you can forward to me regarding minimum standards as they
> relate to timetabling, budgets, equipment, etc. would be greatly
> apprecitated.
>
> Thank You
>
> Cloyd Barth
>
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Subject: Re(2): Tissue paper mosaics
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Hi, 
I'm interested in this tissue paper stained glass idea, but I am wondering
about the toxicity of the permanent black markers. At school I have a
couple of different kinds, including Sharpies, but they all smell really
bad. Are there other markers that would be permanent, write on the plastic
or the tissue paper and glue, but not be so bad?
Laura
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It's a shirt decorated with various patterns. One of our teachers showed a 
lesson where he made the