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artsednet-digest Thursday, February 18 1999 Volume 02 : Number 1252

This edition includes :
Re: artist in residence, learning experience, Lewis
Re: size and meaning
Re: re; cleaning paintbrushes
Re: Artists in Residence: really long post
Re: Faith and Meaning in Art
National Musuem of Art
Re: displaying artwork
thrown out art supplies part 2 (delete if you don't know what I mean)
Re: Faith and Meaning in Art
Re: National Musuem of Art
What is Art & Duchamp
Re: Hand washing
Re: classroom management
Re: Classroom discipline
Fwd: hand washing


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:57:16 -0500
From: John & Sandra Barrick <astroboy>
Subject: Re: artist in residence, learning experience, Lewis

A final note, which I hope you will simply accept as is: we found
> some of Lewis' clay pieces and art pieces last week while the kids and I
> were cleaning the art room. As I held them in my hands I had a whole
> new revelation about "great art" and this child's work. I'm sure many
> of you have had similar experiences. I won't try to put this experience
> into words. I'm glad I have the opportunity to teach art. That's all.
> Merrilee, in CT
Wow that is a heavy load. I have a question- Are you going to
display this students work in an art show, and if so, will you
dedicate or memorialize it to him?


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:33:00 +0000
From: Christine Merriam <>
Subject: Re: size and meaning

This thread made me think of the Nazca Desert Drawings in Peru... an
ancient and VERY large artform.
One activity I did with students was to look at several "public art"
examples, from ancient Native American burial mounds to Mt Rusmore, etc.
Since we live by Monument Valley and there are lots and lots of
fascinating rock formations around, we look at Christo, then design a
plan for altering one of the rock formations. A favorite of mine by a
student is where she drew the 3 sisters (3 rock spires) and dressed them
up and titled it "3 sisters went shopping at K-Mart"
We then discuss "how to create the artwork" they write it down, and
take into consideration the ecological impact of their plans. For
example, students whose first thought is to paint the rock reconsider,
and make plans for something temporary, such as draping it. I still
puzzle how one guy was going to make his giant "hot enchilada rock"
complete with continuous dripping enchilada sauce!

Christine Merriam
Kayenta Intermediate School


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:25:31 -0600
From: gregjuli
Subject: Re: re; cleaning paintbrushes

Will Pepsi also work-?lol

The Colliers wrote:

> Larry Cox wrote:
> >
> > to clean paintbrushes, no matter how grody, simply soak them in a
> > of 1/2 Zout and 1/2 acetone = acrylic paint. 1/2 Zout and 1/2 paint
> > for oil. Leave them in a week, if necessary. Linda in NM
> I hope I don't get sued by someone for this, but soak them in Coca Cola,
> You will be amazed!!!
> Tracey in South Africa


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:49:08 +0000
From: Christine Merriam <>
Subject: Re: Artists in Residence: really long post

On a positive? note....(Still catching up to the list here)
I wrote and recieved grants for four years to bring local and regional
artists into our schools. Fortunately the Arizona Commission on the Arts
is more flexible in who you have as your artist. Out of a total of 16
people who participated, I cannot think of one to complain about!
These people often came back to finish work for a second week, even
though we only paid them for one week. I still use many of the ideas and
techniques learned from them. I really feel my students were enriched by
having another person for an art teacher for a short time.
Then for two years the district came up with funds so I did not have to
write grants, just find the artist! Once again, we had great results.
The down side is.... I got tired of all the extra work for so little
money for the grant, and have not done it for a while. I do have artists
asking me if I am going to do it again... guess word got around.
Another thing, I have participated on the panels that select the
artists for the rosters, and also on grants awards panels. I would say
that the majority of the people, in my experience were well qualified,
had good people skills, and gave schools their moneys worth or more.

Christine Merriam
Kayenta Intermediate School


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:55:57 EST
From: AbeleSmith
Subject: Re: Faith and Meaning in Art

Serrano and Maplethorp were two of the controversial artists who received
funds from the NEA several years ago. Maplethorp, who was a very talented
photographer, received funding for his suggestive photos of males. These
artists and others were the main reason for the beginning of the "downsizing"
of the NEA. It gave the "conservatives" lots of ammunition.

I saw and heard Serrano at the Dallas Museum of Art shortly after that. Talk
about lack of meaning in art -- he didn't seem to have a reason for doing the
crosses in urine, blood, milk, etc. Seemed to me he just did them to attract
attention (which he did!) and perhaps to be the "first" to do it. His talk
made him come across (to me) as a shallow person. I could be wrong -- that
could have been a bad day!

Terry in Garland, TX, where it's a beautiful day!


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:22:18 EST
From: Lynnzi
Subject: National Musuem of Art

I am taking a fifth grade class to Washington D.C next week and would
like any suggestions on what to show them in an hours time at the National
Musuem of Art- East and or West wing. I would like them to do some sort of
search however when I go to the web site all the paintings I go to show are
not on view at this time. Any suggestions on a theme or way I can show a
group of children specific paintings?


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:32:57 -0500
From: "LiteSal" <LiteSal>
Subject: Re: displaying artwork

S. Hildreth wrote (snippets):

>I feel it is important to display all students work in elementary school

But at some point - I usually do it about 1/2 way through
>7th grade art - I start hanging up just the best examples of specific

When I put work up I want
>it to be instructional - to demonstrate excellent projects, good effort,
>and creativity. It should become an honor to have your work displayed.
>It is our responsibility to help children see the differences between
>quality work and just plain doing the assignment.

What Sandra says about older students' work, I apply to my elementary
students. First, I will say, I do eventually hang up work by all my
students (what we consider to be their best efforts). However, I will not
put up work when a student is not putting his or her best effort into it.
Just like older students, elementary students can be guilty of being
careless and sloppy, and I don't want my students to blindly accept work
that is not quality (for that student). Bad habits can begin at a very
early age, and I don't want to be the teacher that fosters bad habits
(meaning, whatever I do in art is "good enough"). That is not to say I
don't encourage experimentation and fun, but I do try to create an
environment that communicates that art is about thinking, seeing, then
doing. By third grade (when most students can physically handle the media
that we use) I really stress quality and make it clear that rushed work
that has not been thoughtfully produced is unacceptable, or at least, can be
improved. It really cuts down on the "Is this good enough?" because they
know that if they are asking, the answer is usually, no. The high school
teachers can thank me later. Seriously, I find that if I care, my students
care more. By the way, I don't think this turns them off, I think they
consider art a more valuable subject because they must make an effort.

Sincerely, Leah


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:52:26 -0500
From: kprs <KPRS>
Subject: thrown out art supplies part 2 (delete if you don't know what I

First of all thanks for all your supportive emails. Prior to the Board
meeing, I found out 2 other issues far more menacing and pressing than
my thrown out art supplies were going to take center stage. So what I
decided to do was send the requisition for the supplies directly the
Superintendent, Assistant Superintendent, Board President, Principal,
and Union President. I will then publically ask at the next meeting
when I should expect to get them. I decided not to go "out loud"
publically when the other issues were more pressing, and parents were
coming to scream about those other issues (WAY to complicated to get
into now), and I didn't want to get LOST in the this way I
am techically giving "them' the opportunity to make good, (which by the
way I KNOW THEY WON'T, but if I approached them before I billed them,
they could say, why didn't you give us a bill?-you know?)

So, I'm stewing, and coolin' my heels temporarily.

And I'm at home sick with bronchitis too.

San D


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:26:10 -0800
From: Maggie White <mwhite>
Subject: Re: Faith and Meaning in Art

AbeleSmith wrote:
> Serrano and Maplethorp were two of the controversial artists who received
> funds from the NEA several years ago. Maplethorp, who was a very talented
> photographer, received funding for his suggestive photos of males.

A few corrections need to be made. First of all, Serrano did not
directly receive NEA funds. He was awarded a prize from Southeastern
Center for Contemporary Art in Winston-Salem (hi, Betti!), which had
received an NEA grant. The NEA never stipulated what its funds could be
used for.

Mapplethorpe also was not a recipient of NEA funds. One museum out of
the several that presented the show received NEA money to help support
the show, and there had been no controversy there. The controversy began
at the Corcoran, which had never received NEA funds to mount this
particular show. The homoerotic photos were just one part of the show;
he also displayed classic nudes and flowers.

> artists and others were the main reason for the beginning of the
> of the NEA. It gave the "conservatives" lots of ammunition.

Serrano and Mapplethorpe weren't the reason; the conservatives, led by
Jesse Helms and Rev. Donald Wildmon, did this, based on gross factual
errors. (Wildmon was the one who objected to a Mighty Mouse cartoon in
which MM is shown sniffing a flower; Wildmon said he was _actually_
sniffing cocaine.).



Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:11:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Stenger - Judith DiSalvo <jstenger>
Subject: Re: National Musuem of Art

If you call the museum they will arrange tours for your students. The
docents who have guided us have been wonderful. Ask what they would
suggest for your age group.
No matter how interesting the work is, Be prepared for "I'm tired" and
"When is lunch?" and "This is SO boring." I always have a few who just
CAN'T WALK ANOTHER STEP! (That's middle school--unless you take them to
an amusement park) Don't be discouraged. They get a lot out of it.
If you give work sheets or packets, be sure to ask in advance if it's
okay with the museum staff. They get nervous about kids walking around
with pens and pencils.
There is a good video, available from Crystal, called "How to visit
an art museum." Hope you have a wonderful time.


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:18:43 -0800
From: Mark Brandau <>
Subject: What is Art & Duchamp

Okay, here goes:
What is art? I teach my students that art is an experience encompassed by
the human creation, presentation, and interpretation of form with the
intent to communicate thoughts or feelings. While this is still a
tremendously vague description, it seems to encompass most of what Western
civilization considers the elusive beast of "art." I stress to my
students that although creative self-expression can be a valid part of the
art experience, it cannot stand alone as art. Creative self-expression
might be wonderful for the expressor, but it tends to do very little for
everyone else. It is only once that expression is given specific form
(through image, sound, action, etc.) which communicates with others that it
falls under the Christo-sized umbrella of art.

As for Duchamp, we just had a great discussion of his early New York years
in my Mixed Media class. I had the students read an article from the New
Yorker called "Duchamp and New York" (November 25, 1996). Afterwards we
discussed the impact he had on the Modern art world with "Nude Descending a
Staircase, No. 2" and the invention of the readymade. I stressed the
context in which both were done, especially "Fountain." This piece was
originally submitted to the 1917 Society of Independent Artists Exhibitions
(American artists response to the Armory Show). The idea behind the show
was that anyone could submit work if they paid the $6 entry fee. Duchamp
tested them by submitting the urinal under the name of Richard Mutt .
Several members of the board for the exhibition were appalled by the work
and refused to accept it. What happened to the urinal after that remains a
bit of a mystery - some rumor that William Glackens (especially appalled by
the object) smashed it on the floor, and Duchamp once claimed that Walter
Arensberg (who, along with Joseph Stella, was with Duchamp when he
purchased the urinal) bought it as an act to protest the board who refused
to take it seriously.
Duchamp was a lazy artist and he admitted that several times. His advent
of the readymade was something that happened to be the right thing, at the
right time, by the right person. Duchamp was already established and
questioned as an artist (bringing himself to the attention of the American
public with the curious controversy surrounding "Nude Descending a
Staircase") and he did what art has to do every now and then - push the
envelope of what is accepted. He did it as a challenge, probably with his
tongue planted firmly in his cheek (remember his snow shovel titled "In
Advance of a Broken Arm"). The form of the readymade was the next rational
step in the evolution of early Modern art. Yes, Duchamp was emphasizing
the idea over the object in art and forcing others to question their ideas
about art. He also did it as a lazy joke.
After discussing all of this with my students, most had a pretty good
understanding of the importance of the readymade in Modern art along with a
certain appreciation for Marcel Duchamp. No one even asked, "so if I turn
in a toilet with a fake name on it, would I get an A?" I even had one
student (especially bright) come up to me after class and explained that
she couldn't appreciate Modern art before this article and discussion. She
explained that about half-way through the reading, she underwent a
metamorphosis (her word) and came out with a new understanding of art. She
also pointed out to me that "this is pretty heavy stuff, isn't it?" She
made my week (if not semester!).

- -Mark.
Mark Brandau
Art Department
Lake Oswego High School
Lake Oswego, Oregon 503.699.1430
"Never take art for granted, never take art too seriously."


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:18:57 -0500
From: "menichino" <menichino>
Subject: Re: Hand washing

I checked with our school nurse about germs on sponges because I use them
all the time for all kinds of cleaning. She said that since there wasn't
any food involved that there probably wasn't a concern. Do you guys agree?
I haven't had any problems that I know of.....
Liz in rural NY

- ----------
damp sponges, (I have done that
> at art camp when the sink at that facility was too high for preschoolers
> reach), but at school, after a week, the teachers were afraid that
> might get germs from the sponges, even though I cleaned them with bleach
> every day.


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:28:13 EST
From: KTBUG57
Subject: Re: classroom management

Earlier in the week I read that to help control the noise levels in the
classroom, to write the word NOISE on the board. And then to erase a letter,
starting with the E, as the letters disappeared to the word NO, meaning "no
talking". Welllllll, I tried that today. WOW!!!!!! It worked great with one
3rd grade class and tomorrow, on to 4th and 2nd grades. The kids were
policing themselves. It was great. Thank you, thank you. This is my first
year out there and I have nearly exhausted every trick in the book. Anxious
to see how it goes with the rest of my elementary. Now, if I could only get
my secondary students to be more enthusiastic. Oh well, maybe another day.


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:03:32 EST
From: MarshArt
Subject: Re: Classroom discipline

In a message dated 2/17/99 12:01:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, smi

> Last year I too had one of those fourth grades from space! Have you talked
> to them as a group about respect and expectations?

My kids are finally getting the message. To me classroom dicipline is
foremost. I will usually STOP their work and we PRACTICE the classroom rule
they are breaking until they get it. Then we get back to work. If it is
individuals, and not the whole class, I make them do it. My classroom rules
are posted in the front of the room. When they break one, and I use
diciplinary measure, they are to read the rule to me.

To quiet a class, I have a wind-chime hung from the ceiling at the front of
the room. It is an unusual noise and usually gets their attention better
rapping on the desk or me shouting over their voices. They know that the
chime means STOP< LOOK AT ME< AND LISTEN. If a kid ignores it, the name goes
on the board. Second time...a check next to the name means remain after class
2 minutes. With each infraction the time goes up and a note goes home. After
2-3 times, they get the message.

I always try to be consistent. That is the real success of this.



Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:04:08 EST
From: MarshArt
Subject: Fwd: hand washing

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In a message dated 2/17/99 12:01:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nredfern writes:

> Pardon me if this subject has been beaten to death. But... how do you
> all handle students washing hands after workin?.
. I have only ONE sink in my room so I came up with using baby-wipes....a box
for each table. The school buys them in bulk refill cartons Costco
They do a great job and the kids use them to wipe the table after they do
their hands. If i have a real grody kid, he can use the sink but usually the
only ones there are the supply managers to wash brushes etc.


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