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Cathy Cimellaro (
06 Feb 98 11:24:53 -0700

RE>artsednet-digest V2 #567 2/6/98
There is no comparison to Photoshop, especially if you are using it for a Photo class. I have been teaching a compute art class in Phoenix, AZ for 10 years and have found that for Photo imaging you won't go wrong using Photoshop. You should if possible get the 32megs for each computer otherwise you will experience memory problems when you get in to large files. (using filters and special effects) good luck!

Date: 2/6/98 10:00 AM
To: Cathy Cimellaro
From: artsednet

artsednet-digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 567

This edition includes :
Mushroom pipes
castles and palaces
communication in the classroom
John Biggers
Re: Software????
Re: Software
Brazilian Carnival
Re: Dream Classroom Ideas?
Re: Software????
thanks for the shrooms
Re: Software????
Mushroom pipes
Re: Software????
Re: Supplies


Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 03:50:09 -0500
From: DeliaS (Sherry D'Elia)
Subject: Mushroom pipes

I am also too young to remember shrooms from the 60' my first high
school art class (94) I had a student create a "cute" clay mushroom. The
mushroom had a face, including an open mouth which led to the hole biult
into the top.... it was a cleverly diquised PIPE. Luckily I caught it on
time to throw it in the garbage instead of the kiln!


Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:14:54 -0600 (CST)
From: amanda clarke <>
Subject: castles and palaces

I am new to the listserv, and I must say I am overwhelmed with messages.
I am looking for information on what differentiates castles from palaces.
This information will be used to write a unit plan on architecture for my
secondary art methods course. I have found numerous web sites on castles
and a few on palaces, but nothing on what classifies one or the other.

Amanda Clarke

My e-mail address:


Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:04:32 -0600 (CST)
From: amanda clarke <>
Subject: communication in the classroom

I have another question for those who are currently teaching -
What is the most important aspect of communication in the classroom? I am
researching this topic for a presetation, and I need your help. Or if you
know of any good resources for this topic, let me know.



Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 16:43:11 -0600
From: Juliet Moore <jgmoore>
Subject: John Biggers

I am planning to attend the official unveiling of the John Biggers mural at
the University of Houston on February 19. I have already seen the work in
progress and talked with Mr. Biggers about his perceptions of art,
education and children. I'll be happy to describe the opening after I
attend it in a couple of weeks: are people interested in such a
Dr. Juliet G. Moore
Assistant Professor in Art Education
Department of Curriculum & Instruction
University of Houston
4800 Calhoun Blvd.
Houston, Texas 77203-5872

E-mail: jgmoore
Tel: 713/743-4956
Fax: 713/795-4990


Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:06:35 -0500
From: James Linker <jal19>
Subject: Re: Software????

Hi Delia,

>Hi all...I'm a new member, 1st time writer. I am in the process of
>choosing drawing and photo software for a new art/tech Mac lab where I will
>be teaching computer graphics to high school students.
>A few ?'s Adobe Illustrator vs Fractal Painter....which is better?

No comparison. They are completely different types of software. Painter is
a bitmap graphics application (which means that it paints and draws with
pixels and the files it creates contains a precise resolution, or amount of
information). Illustrator is a vector graphics application (you "draw" with
it by manipulating vectors or "paths," which are mathmatically described.
The number of pixels in an Illustrator image is determined by the
resolution of the device used to print it).

>Is there another software anyone has used that is cheaper but close or
>comparable in quality and options? We are pushing for 32 Mgs
>( opmtimistic ) but is 16 mg power Macs reasonable for this software?
>Has anyone found anything better (or comparable) to Photoshop?

I would _demand_ 32MB of RAM in your Macs if you plan to run Photoshop
(which is easily the best all-round bitmap graphics package out there).
16MB will leave you barely enough headroom to get by and you are liekly to
be plauged with crashes and frozen Macs.

>Any info on 3D software, such as Bryce 3D?

Sorry, but I'm a 2D kina guy ...

>It's easy enough to find software...but not so easy to try them out for the
>best any imput is helpful. It's nice to know we're not alone
>out here.

A subscribtion to _Macworld_ or _Macuser_ will help you keep up on the new
versions of popular applications and give you a way to compare features,
but there's nothing like actually using the stuff, and no two users are
alike ...

Good Luck, Have Fun :-) !



Use each man after his desert and who shall `scape whipping?

Shakespeare, *Hamlet*


james alan linker
doctoral candidate, art education
the pennsylvania state university
school of visual arts


Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 00:40:09 +0000
From: JamesNairne <>
Subject: Re: Software

DeliaS (Sherry D'Elia) wrote:
> Subject: Software????
> Hi all...I'm a new member, 1st time writer. I am in the process of
> choosing drawing and photo software for a new art/tech Mac lab where I will
> be teaching computer graphics to high school students.
> A few ?'s Adobe Illustrator vs Fractal Painter....which is better?
> Is there another software anyone has used that is cheaper but close or
> comparable in quality and options? We are pushing for 32 Mgs
> ( opmtimistic ) but is 16 mg power Macs reasonable for this software?
> Has anyone found anything better (or comparable) to Photoshop?
> Any info on 3D software, such as Bryce 3D?
> It's easy enough to find software...but not so easy to try them out for the
> best any imput is helpful. It's nice to know we're not alone
> out here.

Try Color-it.. It is cheap but really very powerful. Takes most
photoshop plug-ins and as a paint program is a lot easier to learn than
Painter. (NB Painter and Ilustrtor ae VERY different programs... one is
Vector drawing the other Pixel painting (with some vector))
Try for a downloadable version

Make sure in your MAc lab that you have enough Video RAM for at least
24bit color display.
- --
James Nairne



Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:52:12 EST
Subject: Brazilian Carnival

Does anyone know any specific traditions of the Brazilian Mardi Gras or
Carnival celebration? I am trying to tie a unit on masks to Mardi Gras and
South American (specifically Brazillian melting pot) cultures.
Any help would be greatly appreciated..........Dawn Malosh, Tucson


Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:47:49 -0700
From: MichaelDelahunt (MichaelDelahunt)
Subject: Re: Dream Classroom Ideas?

<bold>Eric Utech,,Internet writes:

</bold><x-quoted>My principal has asked for ideas for cabinets and other fa=
cilities to be

included in our school's renovation and expansion. Do any of you have

specific aspects to your art rooms that work particularly well? What is

something that you would change? What is the worst thing that they could

install, that you would absolutely hate?


Eric von Asbestosabatement</x-quoted>

Eric and all,

I just had a hand in the making of a list of requirements for the outfittin=
g of artrooms in newly built schools in my fast-growing district. Here are =
some highlights:

install lots of counters over cupboards and other shelving, some in an adja=
cent storage room which is just for art storage

install a telephone

add more student sinks-- minimum total 4 per room

install plaster traps under the sinks

tables must have sturdy butcher-block tops, with storage underneath

install excellent wiring and ventilation for kiln, in a separate small room=

install a cabinet in which students can store ceramic projects in progress-=
- - which keeps work moist

get a demonstration table, which has a mirror mounted above it, the angle o=
f which is adjustable. This allows an entire class to see things like water=
color demonstrations.

get a set of six hinged-together large tackable panels for movable gallery =
displaying-- I use three all the time for critiques and the study of art re=

get a great computer, connected to the Internet, with lots of great softwar=

get a TV and a laser disc player and several discs of art in the Louvre, Or=
say, and National Gallery Washington

Every new school here gets all of this. Dreams can come true=21

Michael Delahunt

Sonoran Sky Elem, Scottsdale, AZ

ArtLex - dictionary of visual art, with over 2,400 terms defined,=20

with many illustrations, quotes, and links.=20

For students of art production, art history, art criticism,=20
aesthetics, and art education.

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:49:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Fran Marze <>
Subject: Re: Software????

I find Adobe Illustrator very difficult, perhaps better for advanced
lessons. I really like Fractal Painter, but not all the students have
bought into it. I have 6 computers in my art room so it is a rotating
schedule. Our computer art teacher uses superpaint for Computer Art I and
the kids seem to like that. I don't like the ragged edges on some things,
but a lot of them do some great work. he uses Aldus Freehand for Computer
Art II, like Adobe more difficult and smoother and more professional for
motivated students. Good luck. I have a few ocpies of Photoshop and
started a unit using a photo of the student which was either scanned or
taken with digital camera and then manipulated in a variety of ways. Great
and creative results. My Art II students are now fighting over the
computers (not really violent, thought.) But lots of fun and good and all
different results. Fran

On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Sherry D'Elia wrote:

> Hi all...I'm a new member, 1st time writer. I am in the process of
> choosing drawing and photo software for a new art/tech Mac lab where I will
> be teaching computer graphics to high school students.
> A few ?'s Adobe Illustrator vs Fractal Painter....which is better?
> Is there another software anyone has used that is cheaper but close or
> comparable in quality and options? We are pushing for 32 Mgs
> ( opmtimistic ) but is 16 mg power Macs reasonable for this software?
> Has anyone found anything better (or comparable) to Photoshop?
> Any info on 3D software, such as Bryce 3D?
> It's easy enough to find software...but not so easy to try them out for the
> best any imput is helpful. It's nice to know we're not alone
> out here.


Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:34:31
From: wendy sauls <wsauls>
Subject: thanks for the shrooms

i appreciate all the info on the shrooms!!

i (and my students) am/are well aware of the psychedelic properties of the
psilocybe family of fungi and of the dangers of ingesting/experimenting
with any unknown substance. we read personal testimonies of native
americans who used mushrooms as part of ceremonial rituals and described
side effects of projectile vomiting as well as the chemical capabilities of
some types of mushrooms to destroy blood cells, a condition from which
there is no recovery and almost certain death.

i personally do not use illegal substances or advocate their use,
especially by children!

only a small group of mushrooms are "magic", or used for their
hallucinogenic properties - the rest are edible (portabellos are one of my
fave pizza toppings, and you haven't lived 'till you've had a grilled
portabello and cheese sandwich), or poisonous, or not poisonous but not
worth eating, but really interesting to look at and draw/paint/sculpt.

before we started our project, we discussed the symbolism of the mushrooms.
actually, the pre-project homework assignment was to write down what a
mushroom could represent. the kids came up with food, poison, drugs,
nature, recycling, mystery, peacefullness, fantasy, fairies and elves,
mushroom clouds, war, umbrellas, houses... we talked about how the mushroom
was such a powerful and versatile visual symbol (one of the reasons i like
it so much for a project theme!). one of my kids shared that he had talked
over the assignment with his dad who said the mushroom represented wisdom
in medieval times and also discussed with him the 60's aspect of the
mushroom. i really don't feel like the project has inspired anyone to go
out into the woods and find some shrooms and munch on them in hope of a
good trip, more likely the opposite, by educating us about the very real
dangers (we marveled at how a very poisonous mushroom looks so much like
the tasty morel).

on a more personal note, i sometimes wonder about our society's "drug"
philosophy. yes, i have asked my kids not to make pipes when we work with
clay. i tell them about my asthma, which is really a pain, and how its so
hard for me to understand how someone with good, healthy lungs would want
to trash them. when they draw pot leaves, i ask if that would be ok to
show their mom/dad. sometimes they draw pot leaves, i think, just to see
what i will do. it's can be funny to watch your teacher get all worked up.
i don't, over this. we tell kids to "just say no" to drugs, while we (lots
of us) sip our coffee and their parents feed them ritalin... and lots of us
wouldn't be here without drugs! (think antibiotics, anaesthesia,
chemotherapy....). so i really don't buy into the simplistic, false sound
bite of "just say no". education, information, discussion, attention, and
thought, to me, are much better approaches, although more time consuming,
complex, and demanding of personal involvement and possibly some soul
searching from us. our society tends to over do things - drug abuse,
everyone agrees, is bad, and in our society its a big problem. other
cultures have used substances we declare illegal for special, ritual,
spiritual purposes long before our society was even a though and for them,
drug abuse is not a problem. does this mean we're right and they're wrong
and are all going to hell? hmm...

some of the responses i read made me feel like not only should i not
consider mushrooms for an art topic but also never to allow the
representation of grapes, potatos, cactus, rope, poppy flowers, wheat...for
fear that might encourage becoming a wino, or getting drunk on vodka or
tequila or high on pot or heroin or far should we go? i
personally don't want any fan mail from jesse helms!

i would like to think one of the gazillion roles we assume as art teachers
is that by providing our students with facts and emotional support and
personal example and historical documentation and all the things we look at
and think about and talk about in art class that they will be able to make
good choices about not only what media to choose for their project but
about how to live their lives. hey - if we don't, who will? certainly not
the MATH teachers!!!! ;D


Wendy Sauls
Art Teacher, Kanapaha Middle School, Gainesville, FL
Doctoral Student, Art Education, Florida State University


Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 20:02:18 -0600
From: Melissa Enderle <>
Subject: Re: Software????

Illustrator and Painter are two very different programs.
Illustrator is a vector-based drawing program. To draw or create an
image, you typically use the bezier curves. Because it is a vector
program, you are able to move, resize, flip, change orientation and many
other things with ease. To delete objects, you simply select them and hit
delete. With Photoshop, Painter and other painting programs, you have to
use an eraser or manually select them with a lasso and other similar

As a whole, painting programs tend to be more intuitive and more natural
for artists. In both Painter and Photoshop for example, the airbrush tool
behaves much like a real airbrush. With Painter, you have a multitude of
tools such as chalk, charcoal, watercolors, color pencil, etc. Chalk, for
example, interacts well with textured paper, as it brings out the grain.
Painter does have some capabilities both of Illustrator and Photoshop,
but I don't think it replaces either.

Photoshop is unrivaled for photo editing. You won't have much success on
the 16MB machines though. Color It! is much cheaper and can do many of
the basic things of photoshop.
If you're really looking cheap, look at the painting and drawing portions
of Claris Works. Being much more simpler, it is an excellent beginner


Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:04:54 -0700
From: jprintz
Subject: Mushroom pipes

Haven't had a problem with mushroom pipes in ceramics, but I am learning to
recognize other paraphernalia (sp). Especially with the help of the
students. This year, I turned the offending "teapot" with a referral to the
AP office. There was some discussion among the APs if it really was a bong
or not. One AP (the unsupportive one) decided it was not and recommended
returning it to the student.
Before glaze firing it, I stuffed up the spout with clay and coated it very
well with glaze. After it dried, I fired it and presented it the officer
assigned to our site.
I teach HS ceramics. I have absolutely no tolerance for this junk. I admit
a few slipped past me last year. I have a slight disadvantage not having
used the stuff myself, but most students are helpful in pointing out
potential bongs and the like.
Does anyone else have this problem? How do you solve it? How necessary is
administrative support?



Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:18:07 -0500
From: James Linker <jal19>
Subject: Re: Software????

>Two different programs ..... Painter is closer to Photoshop than it is to
>Illustrator. It tries to simulate the effects of various media. Since you
>are teaching high school you may want to consider Illustrator which is more
>widely used in the professional committee.

Illustrator & Painter are used for different things. A basic graphics
software suit might include Illustrator or Freehand (the two dominant draw
vector programs) & Photoshop. Painter is a supplemental program that allows
more elaborate paint effects, but less powerful compositing features than
Photoshop. A good professional designer would probably use both, but it is
hardly necessary to teach both. If you can comfortably find your way around
Photoshop, Painter will seem natural.



Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:14:00 -0500
From: Karen Hurt <khurt>
Subject: Re: Supplies

At 02:12 PM 2/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>One way to help keep track of your pencils and erasers is to have each child
>give you his/her jacket or watch (or some item that they have with them) in
>exchange for the pencil or eraser.

My son's teacher takes a shoe, and gives them the option of returning the
pencil and collecting the shoe at the end of the class or the day. She has
a terrific relationship with the janitor who delivers all lost and found
writing implements to her borrow jar. The kids love it.

Karen Hurt

Grafton Library
Mary Baldwin College
Staunton, Virginia

Voice: 540.887.7317
FAX: 540.887.7297


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