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>Please accept my apologies if this is a repeated post. I assume it got lost
>out there somewhere. I sent it out to the list on Friday morning, but 24
>hours later I still haven't seen it come in on the list. In any event, I'd
>like to pay my two cents now.
>>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:15:35 -0500
>>To:nalin (Nalin), artsednet
>>From:(Mark Alexander) mamjam
>>Subject:Re:"I don't have art talent"
>>Dear Lorena and ArtsEdNet,
>>Comments such as "I am not creative" "I have no artistic ability" or other
>>self depricating comments are much too often heard. This seems to be a
>>pervasive attitude, that can spread like the flu. It saddens me to find
>>people who claim to "have absolutly no talent" and who "can't draw a
>>straight line," especially amongst the staff in the school where I teach.
>>I frequently comment on it in the teacher's room, and have asked them to
>>NOT betray these feelings to their studnts. It is my belief that the
>>teachers these teachers had (art or otherwise) in elementary and high
>>school did not provide opportunities to for take risks and simply to enjoy
>>the journey of drawing and art making. I would like to adjust this
>>attitude for the future generations, starting in my classroom. Are there
>>any ArtsEdNetters who have ideas and suggestions on how to do this? Does
>>anyone have suggestions for what to say to adults who have this attitude
>>problem? Please post to the group. Thanks Lorena, for bringing this
>>important issue up. I am going to change the subject line to read: "I
>>don't have art talent"
>>"If you think you can, you can...if you think you can't, then you can't."
>>Lee H. Kellogg School
>>Falls Village, CT 06031
>>At 11:06 PM 2/20/97, Nalin wrote:
>>>This list is always so willing to suggest ideas and has had such a wealth
>>>of experiences that I hope the group feels this is an appropriate subject
>>>for this list. I have a couple of things on my mind that just keep
>>>pestering me because I not sure how to address some issue that have
>>>occurred in the art methods class I am teaching for Elementary Education
>>>First is the continual reference by these students that they "are not
>>>creative" "have no artistic ability" or some similar statement when the
>>>creation art work is presented. I do include their art work prodcuts along
>>>with other assignments to determine their grade. But I have tried to
>>>lessen their "level of concern" by including many types of assignments
>>>(such as creating a game to teach/introduce or reinforce art concepts or
>>>written activities) along with the art work.
>>>It seems to me that this is some thing like the crutch I use to explain my
>>>poor spelling abilities. I love to excuse myself by saying, I'm an
>>>"inventive speller" or "Artist don't need to spell, they make pictures."
>>>but the bottom line is, I do have to put some effort into spelling and
>>>often have to use the dictionary. How off base am I? And how can I
>>>re-direct this thinking? It is almost like the flu, when one student hears
>>>it they catch it too.
>>>Secondly, how much attention should be given to art work that elementary
>>>ed major actually produce?
>>>My evaluations (for the five of 22 who cared to comment) suggested that my
>>>standards were too high (too professional) and they felt that any effort
>>>should be accepted. "After all this is their form of expression" This has
>>>me questioning my expectations. Personally, I do not feel that I expect
>>>any more from them than say a high school freshmen level, but given the
>>>time constraints of one semester there are gaps in their understanding
>>>especially of design concepts. Critical concepts are covered and
>>>demonstrated but the connections do not seem to be internalized. More time
>>>would be one solution, but I'm afraid that isn't possible. I have had only
>>>four production assignments in the past and this term only three. I
>>>suppose, it could be "whiney" attitudes that I am encountering this year
>>>(since had not felt this way in classes I taught in '93-'95)
>>>I would really like to know, how others have dealt with these situations.
>>>Maybe to the group, these really aren't issues, but I feel perplexed when
>>>thinking how to go about keeping their success level high and still
>>>maintain the level of quality work.
>>>(quite possible for the last semester)