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RE: Kids Should NOT Fail Art......


From: marcia (marciadotcom_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Tue Feb 01 2005 - 16:33:55 PST

Oh, of course. I do agree with that. I always try to ensure that all students find success in each of the art lessons through modifications.

Kevan Nitzberg <> wrote:Hi Marcia.
I think that somewhere else in the flurry of responses that were exchanged was a post that suggested finding alternative assignments to ones that were beyond the reach of a particular student. Adaptations and accomodations are part of the teaching vernacular these days so there should be some additional strategy for helping a student to succeed and not feel penalized when there is the drive and desire to be successful and put in the work.
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From: marcia []
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:53 PM
To: ArtsEdNet Talk
Subject: RE: Kids Should NOT Fail Art......

You have to understand that grading a student down for something that is out of the student's ability (craftsmanship for example: some kids just can NOT color as carefully as you want, no matter how hard they try.. it is a motor skill problem) can really turn a child off from art. My brother LOVED his ceramics class in high school, until he got C's and B's. He was an A student in all his other classes. The class gave him a creative outlet and enjoyment until it lowered his GPA. Well, he never took another art class in high school because of it. I think I'd rather keep a child interested in art than discourage him by a letter grade because his art is not as good as Suzy's.
in the class although effort alone is not enough to secure an 'A' as a grade. It should, however, be enough of a measurable commodity that it will give the student at least some feedback in the form of a passing grade that provides recognition for having successfully fulfilled a portion of what was required. On the other hand, students who come into a classroom and have already achieved recognition for having displayed artistic ability in other classes or outside of class but do little or nothing in the class that they are currently enrolled in, and thereby show no discernaible progress, may, in fact, not pass.
The establishment of a rubric that truly displays the level of not only the effort but also comprehension and growth over the course of the class, would be helpful in determining the grade that ultimately is given. Stating from the get go that a student should not fail art implies that it is because it is not a class that has measurable goals in it that may be achieved through application and concentration. As long as a student is in any class, those whould be considerations that are important irrespective of the specific curriculum being taught. Art cannot be looked at as not being able to be a teachable subject if is going to truly be a core art of a comprehensive curriculum.
While is it arguable that talent alone may not be a teachable commodity, certainly proficiency can be taught and achieved. That should hold true as much for art as it does for any other academic area.

[Kevan Nitzberg] -----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:52 PM
To: ArtsEdNet Talk
Subject: Re: Kids Should NOT Fail Art......

I am still struggling with these things myself. My principal is pushing for less subjective grading criteria and I personally think this might be a good thing as it helps explain things to parents.
   What do we think? On grading the end product.....
   You have a student who says he's tried his hardest (as noted on his self-assessment rubric), but still creates a poorly crafted and designed piece. He was shown and explained the assignment's objectives and demos were done both personally and as a group.
   Another student produces a better designed and crafted piece, but it still doesn't represent the super high-end work that is possible from maybe a few in class.
   Do both students get A's?

Personally, If they do,. I think I have a problem with that.

mike sacco
p.j. gelinas jhs
setauket, ny ---

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