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From: donnalyn shuster (d_shuster_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Wed Dec 10 2008 - 04:01:20 PST


Thanks for the ideas Michal on photostory!!

RE packing tape sculpture. Is there a way you could use fishing line and "suspend" it from the ceiling to make it stand up? It might take alot of line depending on your display situation.

Donnalyn in rainy ny

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> From: TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group digest <teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu>
> Subject: teacherartexchange digest: December 09, 2008
> To: "teacherartexchange digest recipients" <teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:01 AM
> TEACHERARTEXCHANGE Digest for Tuesday, December 09, 2008.
>
> 1. attention: I believe a fraudulent was sent out on your
> listserve
> 2. wire frame for clay?
> 3. Re: wire frame for clay?
> 4. Re: wire frame for clay?
> 5. Re: wire frame for clay?
> 6. photostory 3
> 7. RE: wire frame for clay?
> 8. Re: photostory 3
> 9. Packing tape sculpture
> 10. Re: Packing tape sculpture
> 11. RE: photostory 3
> 12. Re: Packing tape sculpture
> 13. Re: wire frame for clay?
> 14. RE: Packing tape sculpture
> 15. Re: wire frame for clay?
> 16. Re: best lighting for art room
> 17. Re: best lighting for art room
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>
> Subject: attention: I believe a fraudulent was sent out on
> your listserve
> From: "Janice Foy, Ph.D."
> <musicalmenace@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:24:01 -0500 (EST)
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
> I just read an email which I believe is fraud. Who should
> I send the copy of the email to? thanks, Dr. Foy
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>
> Subject: wire frame for clay?
> From: Diane Davis <dianemdavis@mac.com>
> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:59:17 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 2
>
> I have a middle school girl who wants to make a clay horse
> standing, with one foot up.Easy to draw, not so easy to make
> in clay. I suggested she needed a wire frame, as the horses
> legs are so delicate and the weight of the clay so heavy.
> Can she use a coat hanger? Or will it be too brittle in the
> kiln? Is there another way to make something heavy stand up
> on thin legs? Is there an inexpensive wire I can get at home
> depot?
> Diane Davis
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: wire frame for clay?
> From: Betty B <bettycarol_40@sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:16:12 -0800 (PST)
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> Diane, my students are making wire sculpture right now.
> I've used the same $12 spool of galvanized electric
> fence wire for a few years plus a couple of summer art camps
> now (1/4 mile). It may be a regional thing, but I just
> priced some the other day, and it is about $15 now. Another
> teacher brings me a big plastic trash can of wood scraps for
> bases, but our 4 legged creatures don't need them,
> because the wire supports them. I also provide the same
> pliers we use for chain maille.
>
> In my experience trying clay on wire, once the clay dries
> and shrinks, it cracks all over the place, so if she is
> insistent on clay, it will need something compressible
> around the wire, like newspaper. I have never attempted to
> fire anything with a wire armature!
>
> We use masking tape and newspaper, and when I have groups
> with longer attention spans, we top that with plaster gauze
> or paper mache. This batch of kids is going straight to the
> gesso.
>
> I'll try to post some photos this afternoon!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll try to figure out how to post photos from my I
> phone.
>
> Betty C Bowen
> printmaker, painter
> art educator
> Cushing Oklahoma
> bettycarol_40@sbcglobal.net
> http://www.bettybowenart.com
> http://bettycbowen.blogspot.com/
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Diane Davis
> <dianemdavis@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Diane Davis <dianemdavis@mac.com>
> > Subject: [teacherartexchange] wire frame for clay?
> > To: "TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group"
> <teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu>
> > Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 8:59 AM
> > I have a middle school girl who wants to make a clay
> horse
> > standing, with one foot up.Easy to draw, not so easy
> to make
> > in clay. I suggested she needed a wire frame, as the
> horses
> > legs are so delicate and the weight of the clay so
> heavy.
> > Can she use a coat hanger? Or will it be too brittle
> in the
> > kiln? Is there another way to make something heavy
> stand up
> > on thin legs? Is there an inexpensive wire I can get
> at home
> > depot?
> > Diane Davis
> >
> > ---
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> Subject: Re: wire frame for clay?
> From: chris massingill <chris_massingill@yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:48:24 -0800 (PST)
> X-Message-Number: 4
>
> Diane,
>
> I have a BFA in ceramics and would recommend the wire
> option. You can get a high fire wire that will not melt in
> the kiln, but the clay will shrink and crack against it and
> it is really only recommended for small embellishments or
> handles not armatures.
>
> I believe that the horse can be constructed purely from
> clay as long as it is done carefully - you can make anything
> from clay as long as you do it at the right time. There are
> a couple of options. Your student can make the legs
> separately and attach them after firing. so for instance
> make a place to insert the legs and then glue them with an
> epoxy after firing. or if they work slowly and carefully
> they can make the legs and maybe the bottom of the belly as
> well first and allow them to get leather hard they can then
> support the rest of the sculpture. However, once they get
> to leather hard I would recommend wrapping them in dry
> cleaning plastic wrap to prevent them from getting too dry
> and cracking. once the rest of the horse is complete, if
> you allow everything to dry together at the same rate, the
> horse should stand on its own. if it all possible I would
> also think about constructing a base or a slab so that the
> horse can be easily moved until
> bisqued.
>
> good luck!
> chris
> www.chrismassingill.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Diane Davis <dianemdavis@mac.com>
> To: TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group
> <teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 8:59:17 AM
> Subject: [teacherartexchange] wire frame for clay?
>
> I have a middle school girl who wants to make a clay horse
> standing, with one foot up.Easy to draw, not so easy to make
> in clay. I suggested she needed a wire frame, as the horses
> legs are so delicate and the weight of the clay so heavy.
> Can she use a coat hanger? Or will it be too brittle in the
> kiln? Is there another way to make something heavy stand up
> on thin legs? Is there an inexpensive wire I can get at home
> depot?
> Diane Davis
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe go to
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: Re: wire frame for clay?
> From: Jeff Pridie <jeffpridie@yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:21:37 -0800 (PST)
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> Diane,
>
> Have the student use electrical fence wire and a air dry
> based clay around the wire frame. If she uses kiln fired
> clay it will heat up and crack or cause the clay to explode
> off. With the air dry clay she will be able to sand it and
> paint it.
>
> Jeff (Minnesota)
>
>
>
> > I have a middle school girl who wants to make a clay
> horse
> > standing, with one foot up.Easy to draw, not so easy
> to make
> > in clay. I suggested she needed a wire frame, as the
> horses
> > legs are so delicate and the weight of the clay so
> heavy.
> > Can she use a coat hanger? Or will it be too brittle
> in the
> > kiln? Is there another way to make something heavy
> stand up
> > on thin legs? Is there an inexpensive wire I can get
> at home
> > depot?
> > Diane Davis
> >
> > ---
> > To unsubscribe go to
> >
> http://www.getty.edu/education/teacherartexchange/unsubscribe.html
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: photostory 3
> From: donnalyn shuster <d_shuster@yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:34:39 -0800 (PST)
> X-Message-Number: 6
>
> Have any of you used photostory 3 or done digital
> storytelling in your classes? Looking for ideas.
>
> Donnalyn in NY
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: wire frame for clay?
> From: <Marica.Shannon@k12.sd.us>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:38:27 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 7
>
> I took a pottery class this summer and we used some of the
> plastic screen (not wire) from a screen door to help support
> appendages in low fire clay sculpture.
>
> Marica Shannon
>
> --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Diane Davis
> <dianemdavis@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Diane Davis <dianemdavis@mac.com>
> > Subject: [teacherartexchange] wire frame for clay?
> > To: "TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group"
> <teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu>
> > Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 8:59 AM
> > I have a middle school girl who wants to make a clay
> horse
> > standing, with one foot up.Easy to draw, not so easy
> to make
> > in clay. I suggested she needed a wire frame, as the
> horses
> > legs are so delicate and the weight of the clay so
> heavy.
> > Can she use a coat hanger? Or will it be too brittle
> in the
> > kiln? Is there another way to make something heavy
> stand up
> > on thin legs? Is there an inexpensive wire I can get
> at home
> > depot?
> > Diane Davis
> >
> > ---
> > To unsubscribe go to
> >
> http://www.getty.edu/education/teacherartexchange/unsubscribe.html
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>
> Subject: Re: photostory 3
> From: "M. Austin" <whest177@wheatstate.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:53:22 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 8
>
> I've used Photostory3 in my class. My MS class created
> their own culture,
> with all artwork created this semester being a part of that
> culture. The
> final stages are 1) students create a stop-motion video
> telling a myth from
> their culture, & then creating a Photostory show using
> some of the pictures
> from their stop-motion. Some of my go-getters then went on
> to create a comic
> book using the comic book creator software I have. Other
> ideas: have them
> "be the artist" & talk about their work,
> create a Photostory of their own
> work (kind of a digital portfolio, only they can include
> artist statements).
> ~Michal
>
>
> > Have any of you used photostory 3 or done digital
> storytelling in your
> > classes? Looking for ideas.
> >
> > Donnalyn in NY
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Packing tape sculpture
> From: Gabrielle Bliss
> <Gabrielle.Bliss@mpls.k12.mn.us>
> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:23:45 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 9
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> My class has made a life size cast of a person out of
> packingtape. Does anyone have any
> good ideas on how to make this freestanding? (Or just stand
> up?)
>
> Gabrielle In snowy Minnesota
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Packing tape sculpture
> From: "Rebecca Burch" <mamallama@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:44:54 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 10
>
> We used chicken wire in a couple pieces. Others were
> suspended from
> the ceiling or taped to the wall. We have also hidden
> rocks in the
> feet (paint them the color of the floor or wrap them in
> "crunched up"
> cellophane so they sort of blend in with the sculpture) and
> even used
> dowel rods in some.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Gabrielle Bliss <>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > My class has made a life size cast of a person out of
> packingtape. Does anyone have any
> > good ideas on how to make this freestanding? (Or just
> stand up?)
> >
> > Gabrielle In snowy Minnesota
> >
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>
> Subject: RE: photostory 3
> From: Victoria Lambert <Victoria.Lambert@wjusd.org>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:17:22 -0800
> X-Message-Number: 11
>
> I'd like ideas for 3-D models for the Earth's Crust
> models for sixth graders.
> Thanks,
> Victoria Nicholson Lambert
> Art Program Coordinator
> C. E. Dingle Elementary School
> 625 Elm Street
> 530.662.7084 School office
> 530.207.9267 cell
> ________________________________________
> From: M. Austin [whest177@wheatstate.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:53 AM
> To: TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group
> Subject: Re: [teacherartexchange] photostory 3
>
> I've used Photostory3 in my class. My MS class created
> their own culture,
> with all artwork created this semester being a part of that
> culture. The
> final stages are 1) students create a stop-motion video
> telling a myth from
> their culture, & then creating a Photostory show using
> some of the pictures
> from their stop-motion. Some of my go-getters then went on
> to create a comic
> book using the comic book creator software I have. Other
> ideas: have them
> "be the artist" & talk about their work,
> create a Photostory of their own
> work (kind of a digital portfolio, only they can include
> artist statements).
> ~Michal
>
>
> > Have any of you used photostory 3 or done digital
> storytelling in your
> > classes? Looking for ideas.
> >
> > Donnalyn in NY
>
>
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> Subject: Re: Packing tape sculpture
> From: "M. Austin" <whest177@wheatstate.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:35:00 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 12
>
> Fishing line!
> ~Michal
>
>
> > My class has made a life size cast of a person out of
> packingtape. Does
> > anyone have any
> > good ideas on how to make this freestanding? (Or just
> stand up?)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: wire frame for clay?
> From: Marvin Bartel <marvinpb@goshen.edu>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:35:09 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 13
>
> >Diane Davis wrote:
> >I have a middle school girl who wants to make a clay
> horse standing, with one foot up.Easy to draw, not so easy
> to make in clay. I suggested she needed a wire frame, as the
> horses legs are so delicate and the weight of the clay so
> heavy. Can she use a coat hanger? Or will it be too brittle
> in the kiln? Is there another way to make something heavy
> stand up on thin legs? Is there an inexpensive wire I can
> get at home depot?
>
> Armatures are used for Plasticine (oil based modeling
> clay), but not for clay that dries, shrinks, and is fired.
> Plasticine is not a permanent materials, but is used when
> molds are to be made of the model. The final products are
> then cast from the molds.
>
> As others have indicated, standard clay shrinks and cracks
> if the armature cannot shrink with it as the clay dries. We
> have a number of non-armature methods that can work quite
> well.
>
> I make and high fire a lot of things on throw-away clay
> scaffolding that is individually designed to externally
> support parts that would otherwise be impossible to make and
> fire from clay. Each piece needs its own tailor made
> supports made of the same clay that the piece uses. Using
> this method, everything shrinks simultaneously during drying
> and during stoneware and porcelain firing. I toss all these
> supports when the pieces are finished.
>
> During construction, a horse body can be supported on a
> chunky clay center post under the belly (not attached to the
> horse--lay paper between). Cradle the body on this fat
> post.
>
> The one foot that is up could have another smaller support
> post made of the same clay. I would set the supports and
> the horse on a slab large enough to include the feet and
> legs. Making the supports from the same clay allows for
> uniform shrinkage. If the support post is too thick to
> safely fire it, I poke a bunch of vent holes in it with a
> coat hanger wire. Sometimes I fire the piece up-side-down,
> or on its side on a simple clay cradle or in a small mound
> of silica sand to support it gently during the first firing.
>
> If the horse is thick, it needs to be hollow with a vent or
> solid and well vented with a hole pierced every half inch
> for firing. A wad of newspaper is often used as core for
> the body. This soft enough to allow shrinkage. Poke a pin
> hole in the bottom to vent it. Some make a hole big enough
> to pull the paper out when it is leather hard. After
> removing the paper, plug the hole with the piece that was
> cut out to make the hole. This is done to reduce smoke in
> the room during firing.
>
> After bisque firing, remove the support post before
> glazing. However, if I am glaze firing to high temp
> stoneware or porcelain, it is still essential to support the
> body weight during glaze firing (legs get soft in a cone 10
> firing). There would be an unglazed spot for the post under
> the belly. Cone 07 to 05 firings should be okay using the
> three legs to support the horse.
>
> Another option is to forgo the glaze firing and use other
> finishes on the bisque horse. Our sculpture students often
> paint iron oxide on the bisque and then thoughtfully sponge
> it off to leave it darker in the low places. It can then be
> sealed with wax or a spray fix.
>
> Sometimes when stuff is too heavy during assembly. I use
> wires that are attached to my ceiling. From the wires, I
> make a cloth sling that hold the weight of the sculpture
> while lighter weight attachments are hung from the main
> part. One of my clay teachers, Sheldon Carey, invented a
> wheel that could be inverted and raised up high enough so
> that he could make very tall pieces by pulling the clay down
> instead of raising it. Creativity is often the result of
> reversal thinking. Instead of fighting our materials, we
> change our thinking.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Marvin
>
> Marvin Bartel, Ed.D., Professor of Art Emeritus
> Adjunct in Art Education
> Goshen College, 1700 South Main, Goshen IN 46526
> studio phone: 574-533-0171
>
> HOME Page
> http://www.bartelart.com
>
> Art Education HOME
> http://www.goshen.edu/art/ed/art-ed-links.html
>
> "Art is me when I am myself." ... a kindergarten
> girl when asked, "What is art?"
> "You can't never know how to do it before you
> never did it before." ... a kindergarten boy working
> with clay for the first time.
>
> "We need to remember that we are created creative and
> can invent new scenarios as frequently as they are
> needed." -- Maya Angelou
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: Packing tape sculpture
> From: "Judi Morgan" <judi.morgan@sgs.org>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:52:22 -0800
> X-Message-Number: 14
>
> You need to use many layers of tape so it is pretty solid,
> but before
> you attach the limbs, you can fill them with plastic bags
> or newspaper
> or tissue paper. They will stand for awhile, but they do
> eventually
> fall down. We placed our in sitting and leaning positions
> so we could
> "tape" them to their prop. That helped too.
>
> Judi
>
> Judi Morgan
> Saint George's School
> 2929 W. Waikiki Road
> Spokane, WA 99208
> 509.466.1636
> judi.morgan@sgs.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gabrielle Bliss
> [mailto:Gabrielle.Bliss@mpls.k12.mn.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:24 AM
> To: TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group
> Subject: [teacherartexchange] Packing tape sculpture
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> My class has made a life size cast of a person out of
> packingtape. Does
> anyone have any
> good ideas on how to make this freestanding? (Or just stand
> up?)
>
> Gabrielle In snowy Minnesota
>
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>
> Subject: Re: wire frame for clay?
> From: Diane Davis <dianemdavis@mac.com>
> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:23:18 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 15
>
> Thank you all for all your help and advice. This girl is
> such a good artist, that she'll be able to work out one
> of these methods. I'm so glad I didn't just go with
> what I had heard/thought. Now I have several plans to
> present to her, and I'm sure it will come out fantastic!
> Thank you all again, so much!
> Diane
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: best lighting for art room
> From: carmen santiago <coquilinamar@yahoo.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:57:54 -0800 (PST)
> X-Message-Number: 16
>
> I need information about lighting for an art room.My school
> is building new facilities for the art room and the
> adminitrator is asking me about the best lighting possible.
> thanks!
>
> --- On Tue, 12/9/08, M. Austin
> <whest177@wheatstate.com> wrote:
> From: M. Austin <whest177@wheatstate.com>
> Subject: Re: [teacherartexchange] Packing tape sculpture
> To: "TeacherArtExchange Discussion Group"
> <teacherartexchange@lists.pub.getty.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 11:35 AM
>
> Fishing line!
> ~Michal
>
>
> > My class has made a life size cast of a person out of
> packingtape. Does
> anyone have any
> > good ideas on how to make this freestanding? (Or just
> stand up?)
>
>
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> To unsubscribe go to
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>
>
>
>
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>
> Subject: Re: best lighting for art room
> From: Marvin Bartel <marvinpb@goshen.edu>
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:19:50 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 17
>
> Carmen Santiago wrote:
>
> >I need information about lighting for an art room.My
> school is building new facilities for the art room and the
> adminitrator is asking me about the best lighting possible.
> >thanks!
>
> This page has a list of special design needs related to art
> rooms. It includes lighting needs. Many school architects
> are not aware of some these requirements.
>
> www.goshen.edu/art/ed/artroom.html
>
> Marvin
>
>
>
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