Re: artsednet-digest V2 #358

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Dennis Cannon (dacannon)
Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:08:53 -0400

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> artsednet-digest Monday, August 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 358
>
> This edition includes :
> outdoor sculptures
> wrong address?
> Re: where are the new leaders for arts e
> K-12 teacher Software?
> Re: Re: Re: I want a used Pottery Wheel
> Coping and the copyright laws...now you can
> Re: paper biting (for lack of correct term)
> Free $800,00.00 (you won't be sorry)
> copyright
> Re: I have a question.... -Reply
> legit copying....
> Mail Excite
> Exercises in the design and principles of art
> Re: Free $800,00.00 (you won't be sorry)
> Re: Mail Excite
> Re: Mail Excite
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:31:38 -0400
> From: "Sears, Ellen" <ESears.us>
> Subject: outdoor sculptures
>
> Our middle school teachers are interested working together on a unit so
> that the students can create an outdoor sculpture garden as part of
> their assessment. What materials are suitable for us to use? Is there
> a sealer that we can use on cloth mache that will stand up to the rain?
> Anything goes in the winter - could be balmy, could be freezing rain and
> snow!!
>
> Thanks,
> Ellen
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 06:24:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Stubby4B
> Subject: wrong address?
>
> Just a quick message: Someone who requested some quotes - your e-mail got
> returned to me! And all I did was hit reply! Your address is
> boss1.bossnt.com
> So try me again for the list of quotes!
>
> Duffy Franco
> stubby4B
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:50:47, -0500
> From: LDEH63F (DORIAN F SMITH)
> Subject: Re: where are the new leaders for arts e
>
> >On Sat, 23 Aug 1997,
> >McJeanne wrote:
> >Subject: Re: where are the new leaders for arts ed going to come
> from
>
> >Good luck in your efforts for promoting Arts education! I am a part-
> time Art teacher (K-8) that has a BFA >but no certification in
> teaching.
>
> I, too, am being tossed into the frying pan this fall. After years of
> teaching art in my studio (both individual and group classes) as well
> as being contracted to teach computers in the schools, I find myself
> with a job as art teacher at a brand new k-6 charter school. I, too,
> have loads of practical experience and a BFA but no certification. I
> have found great support in the schools, as I have contacted local
> public school art teachers for something so simple as a sample
> supplies list --my first big hurdle-- , just so I have a starting
> point. The teachers I have met and spoken with have been a great
> resource. I feel overburdened now with the amount of stuff I have to
> wade through. This listserv has also been invaluable to me!
>
> - --The strange thing is, no less than three schools called me this
> summer to teach art in the fall. I have taken the one at the charter
> school because it is an afternoon program, and leaves me open to do
> my morning computer teaching at local senior centers. In November,
> however, I will also teach a ten week art program to middle
> school/high school students, two mornings a week.
>
> I think I am not alone in the gratitude I feel for any advice,
> suggestions, etc., that any seasoned professionals would care to
> share!
>
> Thanks,
> Dorian
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 06:53:50 +0000
> From: "Alix E. Peshette" <apeshet>
> Subject: K-12 teacher Software?
>
> Hi All,
>
> Re: K-12 Teacher software.
> I will be writing an article for our district newspaper on useful teacher software.
> The ideas is "What does the computer using educator need?" This will
> not be software used by students, but rather the basic things a
> teacher needs to do the job; word processing, grading program,
> printshop program, multi-media presentation stuff, you name it.
> Please let me draw upon your collective wisdom and hear some of your favorites.
>
> 1) Please tell me the name of the software, a little about how you
> personally use it and whether it is Mac or PC or both. Also include
> your grade level.
>
> 2) You can also include a wish list of software you are
> planning to get at a future date.
>
> You can respond to my e-mail privately or post to the list. I will
> repost a compilation of your ideas when I am done.
>
> Many thanks!!
> Alix Peshette
> Emerson Junior High School
> Davis, CA
> apeshet
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: peaberry
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: I want a used Pottery Wheel
>
> I am also looking for a used pottery wheel for my fiance. I would appreciate any information you may have.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:58:18 -0700
> From: bkramer.us (Bunki Kramer)
> Subject: Coping and the copyright laws...now you can
>
> Dearest Heidi...
> you wrote....
> > I believe it is in violation of copyright laws to xerox any part of
> >" The Annotated Mona Lisa" without written permission of the author or
> >publisher. Check the front of the book. I don't have mine handy but I
> >remember wanting to copy parts myself a few years ago and reading that
> >that was not permissible.
> ..................
>
> Things change! It's possible now...at Kinko's....to copy a few pages from a
> book if you fill out a special form saying that you are a teacher and plan
> to use this visual information only in your classroom. I've had a few
> pictures enlarged and colored copied (up to 11x17") when I could not find
> any other resource from which to order these pictures. The quality is not
> the sharpest but close enough for the students to get the idea of the
> artwork...especially when it's enlarged.
>
> I'm not sure when all this happened...in fact, occasionally I get someone
> at Kinko's who refuses to do just this and I have to ask again for the
> manager... it must have been fairly recently. They will only do a small,
> limited # of pictures at a time. If they say "no", ask for the
> manager/supervisor. I've done this within the past three months. Hope this
> tip helps....Cya...........
>
> Bunki Kramer
> Los Cerros Middle School
> Danville, California 94526
> bkramer.ca.us
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:55:08 -0400 (EDT)
> From: WenArtford
> Subject: Re: paper biting (for lack of correct term)
>
> Wondering who out there has knowledge of the beautiful folded-paper designs
> made in some regions of the world using one's teeth to create impressions...I
> tried it once at an in-service but cannot remember the area/cultures it
> originates from so don't know where to start looking...would appreciate
> sources, samples of directions--I teach at the elementary level and may not
> have supplies available when I start teaching next week...thought it'd be an
> interesting way to start. Thanks in advance to any who can help!
>
> Wendy West
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:41:28 -0700
> From: "Brayn Stecker" <hello_20_15>
> Subject: Free $800,00.00 (you won't be sorry)
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:15:36 -0500 (CDT)
> From: dg09 (Diane C. Gregory, Ph.D.)
> Subject: copyright
>
> Dear Bunki and all:
>
> Just because Kinkos makes copies for you for educational purposes, still
> does not make it legal. As many of you know, Kinkos lost a very big law
> suit over copyright issues and is, for very good reason, somewhat careful
> in copying things for people. It probably is okay....but then again, maybe
> not. If the publisher in the book says that no copies are permitted unless
> written permission is granted, I think we should hold to their wishes. I
> don't think they put those statements in their materials without thinking
> about them....I don't think teachers are exempt as one might want to think.
>
> I think it is always a good idea to contact the publisher, even if you are
> a teacher. Permission is usually granted for a small number of pages for a
> one time situation for a teacher for use in their classroom. Sometimes
> however, they charge a small fee. If you have a fax machine, permission
> can be granted rather quickly.
>
> Kinkos, notwithstanding, we need to be respectful of others rights and to
> let others know.
>
> As art educators we need to explain to our students about the importance of
> copyright. It may be a lost cause, because it is almost impossible to
> enforce in this age of computing.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Diane
>
> >Dearest Heidi...
> >you wrote....
> >> I believe it is in violation of copyright laws to xerox any part of
> >>" The Annotated Mona Lisa" without written permission of the author or
> >>publisher. Check the front of the book. I don't have mine handy but I
> >>remember wanting to copy parts myself a few years ago and reading that
> >>that was not permissible.
> >..................
> >
> >Things change! It's possible now...at Kinko's....to copy a few pages from a
> >book if you fill out a special form saying that you are a teacher and plan
> >to use this visual information only in your classroom. I've had a few
> >pictures enlarged and colored copied (up to 11x17") when I could not find
> >any other resource from which to order these pictures. The quality is not
> >the sharpest but close enough for the students to get the idea of the
> >artwork...especially when it's enlarged.
> >
> >I'm not sure when all this happened...in fact, occasionally I get someone
> >at Kinko's who refuses to do just this and I have to ask again for the
> >manager... it must have been fairly recently. They will only do a small,
> >limited # of pictures at a time. If they say "no", ask for the
> >manager/supervisor. I've done this within the past three months. Hope this
> >tip helps....Cya...........
> >
> >Bunki Kramer
> >Los Cerros Middle School
> >Danville, California 94526
> >bkramer.ca.us
>
> Diane C. Gregory, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Art Education
> Department of Art and Design
> Southwest Texas State University
> San Marcos, Texas 78666
> dg09 (university e-mail in San Marcos)
> dianegregory (home e-mail in Austin)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:20:27 -0700
> From: bkramer.us (Bunki Kramer)
> Subject: Re: I have a question.... -Reply
>
> >ArtsEdNet (the Web site) has about 700 users a day.
> >ArtsEdNet Talk (the listserve) has about 700 subscribers during the
> >school year and about 600 during the summer.
> >
> >>>> Bunki Kramer <bkramer.us> 08/21/97 05:07pm >>>
> >I speak for the listserv with great enthusiasm....we LOVE your site! My
> >question...I've been discussing your website with many teachers and I
> >wonder how many...approx....members are now in your fold. Could you
> >make a guess for me? Thanks.....Cya...................
> ...........................
>
> Hi, everyone....Thought others of you might be interested in this
> imformation I got. We're GROWING!!!! Cya.................
>
> Bunki Kramer
> Los Cerros Middle School
> Danville, California 94526
> bkramer.ca.us
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:47:26 -0700
> From: bkramer.us (Bunki Kramer)
> Subject: legit copying....
>
> Dearest Diane....I don't know if you intended this to reach the ears of the
> rest of the listserv. I didn't see the general heading to the
> listserv...just to me..but you seemed to have addressed it to us all.
> ........................
> >Dear Bunki and all:
> >
> >Just because Kinkos makes copies for you for educational purposes, still
> >does not make it legal. As many of you know, Kinkos lost a very big law
> >suit over copyright issues and is, for very good reason, somewhat careful
> >in copying things for people.
> .....................................
>
> I cannot answer to the legitimacy guestion as I'm not a lawyer.
> However...if Kinko's "lost a very big lawsuit over copyright issues", I
> would THINK they would be doubly sure NOT to do anything to upset the apple
> cart again...like do it again illegally. The form that is to be filled out
> addresses the issue of copyright "permitting" and puts you on notice that
> it is NOT alright to use it outside the classroom. BTW....contacting the
> author or publisher is NOT granted easily or quickly...at least in the
> cases where I have done such.
>
> I can only respond with what has been my experience. I think only an
> attorney can answer our "legitimacy" question in full. Can anyone else
> speak to that?
> ...............................
>
> Bunki Kramer
> Los Cerros Middle School
> Danville, California 94526
> bkramer.ca.us
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:02:13 -0700
> From: Judith Auslander <judith>
> Subject: Mail Excite
>
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> Dear fellow ArtsEdNet. Did all of you receive the rather long discourse
> on how to make money? If so, I'd like to know what you think about
> using the Talk as a way to promote this kind of thing (which I tend to
> think of as a scam and a general waste of time). Judith
>
> - --
> MZ
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:12:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Nitnoy1
> Subject: Exercises in the design and principles of art
>
> I am in need of a few ideas that can be done in one class period to teach
> each of the principles and design elements. I like to start the first two
> weeks of school talking about design so that the students have a quick grasp
> of technique and vocabulary. I especially need help with the principles as I
> have fewer exercises for those.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:58:04 -0600 (MDT)
> From: dngart.us (Deborah Gilbert)
> Subject: Re: Free $800,00.00 (you won't be sorry)
>
> >Are you interested in having atleast $58.00 more money, and possibly
> >$800,000.00 in your pocket or savings acount. If so read on, if not I
> >appologize for wasting your time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Can you say SPAM?..........
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:30:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: carla harwitt <charwitt.us>
> Subject: Re: Mail Excite
>
> I feel it is inappropriate to use this group for money-making offers,
> legit or otherwise. The only exception would be to post an art-related
> teaching position!
> - --Carla in LA
>
> On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Judith Auslander wrote:
>
> > Dear fellow ArtsEdNet. Did all of you receive the rather long discourse
> > on how to make money? If so, I'd like to know what you think about
> > using the Talk as a way to promote this kind of thing (which I tend to
> > think of as a scam and a general waste of time). Judith
> >
> > --
> > MZ
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:53:36 -0700
> From: "Griswold, Charlotte" <griswald>
> Subject: Re: Mail Excite
>
> USE YOUR DELETE BUTTON, AND FLUSH 'EM!
> - --
> DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT
>
> ------------------------------
>
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I wish had I thought of an idea like "Kinkos". Especially for art
teachers who need quality reproducions. I'd be rich. It sure beats this
get rich scheme regarding sending a $1.00 in a chain letter. Come on
Getty. Kick this guy off of here.

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