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Re: [teacherartexchange] copying


From: Jen Ellis (just.jen.ellis_at_TeacherArtExchange)
Date: Sun Aug 13 2006 - 07:52:16 PDT

Oh, one more thing-

Medical Illustration is a major in many art schools.

I've been asked to do some medical renderings in certain
styles.....How do you think I get these drawings? (Not sitting in on
surgeries, that's for sure)


Ok, I am really done now. Tata-

Jen Ellis
Interactive Multimedia Artist
Continuing Medical Education

On 8/13/06, Jen Ellis <> wrote:
> I am going to play devil's advocate here :)
> I definitely do agree, observation is the most important and should be
> stressed over and over in to be used in the classroom. But it
> definitely isn't realistic to think you will always be able to teach
> this way.
> When teaching foreshortening, perspective, types of line it is often
> good to consult a 2-d image, so you can really point out what is
> happening in the image. Also if you are focusing on how different
> drawing styles work, contour, shading, etc this can be shown better
> with an example.
> Most of my drawings I enjoy working on are nudes, but let's be real
> here, I don't have a bunch of neighbors around me dying to be drawn
> naked! I've paid money for a classes, but sometimes, I go in and take
> a roll of film so I can continue to draw for a long period of time.
> Otherwise I won't draw until the next opportunity comes around.
> There were a lot of students that I know, drawing from observation,
> (yes there drawings were very good), but they weren't actually drawing
> what they "saw" but what they "think they saw" this is when drawing
> upside down was introduced. So even though they looked "correct" they
> were actually not really drawing relationships correctly. They were
> struggling with the realtionships of body part to body part, how the
> model was standing, etc. Once they were really seeing where the lines
> were connecting, they were then able to concentrate on this more in
> observational drawing.
> I don't have a problem with drawing upside down. I think many students
> have this immediate "i cant draw", or "i suck at this" or "i know i
> can't get it" Drawing upside down actually makes their brain
> concentrate on what they actually "see" so they aren't making things
> up on their sketchbooks.
> Also when teaching color that is something that doesn't come quite
> easily to most, and sometimes it is nice to have an example, and be
> able to zoom in on a skin area, and really see how the artist used
> mulitple colors to make the skin tone.
> I don't think I would ever discourage children from copying, tracing
> etc. Animators use this skill every day in their field to make slight
> changes in motion. They also create mini sculptures to reference for a
> better idea of the proportions and relationships between each other.
> Let's put it this way. If you are a skilled artist in the field of
> drawing, and you take it up as a career, lets say (8-5) job you are
> going to need to find shortcuts to help you accomodate the work load
> that is expected of you. Need a background of an African Safari by
> next week..........crap! I can't get there! Better find some pictures!
> :)
> Again, I think of all of you are correct on observational drawing
> being important, but I don't think I would discourage the other
> methods so much so your children are ONLY drawing when they have
> something to reference in life. Most of these children over time will
> discover a specific subject that they love to draw over and over, but
> maybe drawing this is not easily accessible.
> This has been an interesting discussion so far. I am sure that some
> will probably strongly disagree. But I wanted to think about the other
> side of the coin. Thanks-
> Jen
> Interactive Multimedia Artist
> Continuing Medical Education
> On 8/13/06, M. Austin <> wrote:
> > Ok, now I'm confused. The only time I allow my students to trace is when
> > they need a "clean" copy of their own artwork. Usually because they drew
> > with a grid and drew the gridlines too dark, or made excessive changes and
> > again, too many eraser marks. So they go to the lightbox and trace their own
> > drawing. My definition of copying is to look at a photo and draw from that
> > rather than from life.
> > ~Michal
> > K-12 Kansas Art Teacher
> >
> >
> > >> Jeff (Minnesota)says
> > >> Step out of our own preferences and give our students the tools to
> > >> become
> > >> those "life long art makers".
> > >
> > > Drawing from observation is the major tool they require to be life long
> > > learners in art, not tracing........
> >
> >
> >
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