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found the pine needle discussion thread in the archives feb 2002

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Mrsbeeswax_at_TeacherArtExchange
Date: Wed Aug 14 2002 - 04:40:41 PDT

 <A HREF="http://www.getty.edu/artsednet/hm/Feb00/subject.html#713">ArtsEdNet
Mail for February 2000: By Subject</A>

http://www.getty.edu/artsednet/hm/Feb00/subject.html#713

hope this helps,
Christine Besack :) 

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